How Far is "Too Far?"

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There's a pretty heated discussion going on right now about whether to release the audio of Chris grieving over his father. This thread isn't about that, but rather the idea that releasing it would be going "too far," and what "too far" means.

So, we can lie to him. We can manipulate him. We can pretend to be his friend in order to stab him in the back for lulz later. We can harass him wherever he goes on the internet. We can send things to his house. We can steal his property. We can violate his privacy and make the most intimate details of his life public against his will. We can set him up for failure again and again just so we can laugh at how pathetic he is. We can call him just about any insult we can think of.

Oh, but we don't want to go "too far," or anything, 'cause that would be mean.

My point here isn't that I approve or condemn anything that's been done to him. My point is that as far as I'm concerned, we're all A-Logs. If there ever was a "too far" then we crossed it a long time ago, that's for damn sure.

You can try to rationalize it ("Well, he deserves it because _____") or deny it ("Yeah, I support toying with him and invading his privacy for my amusement most of the time, but I'm not a bad guy because I want to hold back on ____") but let's not beat around the bush or sugar coat what we do. We're here to laugh at a retard. Nothing more, nothing less. We're not helping him. Nor are we giving him his just deserts. Either you think he's funny, or he's' a strange curiosity that interests you. Not a single one of us is here for a moral or virtuous reason, and I don't think that we should pretend otherwise.

That's why when I hear people talking about going "too far" it rings hollow in my ears.

I guess when it comes right down to it, I do have a "too far," which is about not outright assaulting him or vandalizing his property. Even the damned should have some standards.

But then again, if he was beaten up and sent to the hospital, wouldn't you just eat that CWCki page up? Wouldn't you hungrily seek out all the details you could? Wouldn't the forums light up with activity over that? I know I would, even if, on another level, I'd condemn it.

Ehh, being damned is a complicated business.

What does "too far" mean to you? Have we crossed it? Will we cross it someday?

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This all sounded a lot less melodramatic in my head. (:_( I apologize for the overt seriousness. What I'm mostly interested in is a discussion about where is too far, not the drama surrounding the audio of Chris crying or what constitutes A-Logging or whatever.
 
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I guess it follows the line of talking about him and him bringing his own stupidities vs a very emotional time in someone's life that will hit us one day. When someone is in mourning for the death of a family member, specifically a parent or child, we can easily relate but I agree that hearing Chris cry for his dead father will be too much even for me, considering I have a father who is ill.
 
What's all this crap about "the damned"? Being a bit too melodramatic, are we? If you're really Pascal shouldn't you be making a wager about how likely we are to be damned?

So, we can lie to him. We can manipulate him. We can pretend to be his friend in order to stab him in the back for lulz later. We can harass him wherever he goes on the internet. We can send things to his house. We can steal his property. We can violate his privacy and make the most intimate details of his life public against his will. We can set him up for failure again and again just so we can laugh at how pathetic he is. We can call him just about any insult we can think of.
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Actually I never really cared for any of that. The only trolling I liked was from people like Vivian, Alec Benson Leary and Liquid, which is when they pretty much just mocked him and he tardraged. That's about as much trolling as I care for. I also enjoyed when Chris does stuff unprovoked that completely takes us by surprise (tomgirl, anyone?).

We had a poll conducted by late, great mod Lumber about what goes too far. Again, I said teasing Chris and watching him tardrage was about as far as I thought the trolls should go. Chris is still pretty interesting to me doing stuff unprovoked.

My point is that as far as I'm concerned, we're all A-Logs.
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Speak for yourself, buddy. Most of us are just observers because for one reason or another we got hooked into following Chris. GFYS is the only one on record who actually wants to see Chris suffer. I'm sure plenty of us would like to help him, but one, it's hard to get into contact with him anyway, and two, plenty of other people have tried to help him but to no avail.
 
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Pascal said:
There's a pretty heated discussion going on right now about whether to release the audio of Chris grieving over his father.
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No, there isn't. The matter was settled and the thread was locked.

Pascal said:
So, we can lie to him. We can manipulate him. We can pretend to be his friend in order to stab him in the back for lulz later. We can harass him wherever he goes on the internet. We can send things to his house. We can steal his property. We can violate his privacy and make the most intimate details of his life public against his will. We can set him up for failure again and again just so we can laugh at how pathetic he is. We can call him just about any insult we can think of.
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Actually, "we" don't do any of these things. Others have, and we watched. Chris himself volunteered the vast majority of personal information to the internets. Only about five people on this forum have ever had direct contact with Chris.

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My point here isn't that I approve or condemn anything that's been done to him. My point is that as far as I'm concerned, we're all A-Logs.
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Either you don't know what the term means, or you're just trying too hard to beat a dead horse. It was explained, very clearly, the difference between A-logging against Chris (wishing him literal harm) and simply taking amusement at the harm he brings upon himself (the Christorian perspective).
 
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You say "we" but I'm willing to bet the majority of us haven't done any of those things so I wouldn't say we're all A-Logs. I understand the point you're trying to make but I think there's a pretty clear difference between being a mere observer who does nothing more than read the CWCki and watch his videos and being someone who actively trolls and harasses him so your point isn't really all that valid. I wouldn't consider the mere observer to be an A-Logger at all.

For me, going too far entails shit like what BlueSpike did, which is just sadistic, or recording the audio of a man grieving over the death of his father, because there is zero entertainment value in that. It's not funny, it's just depressing, and in the case of the former, it's upsetting. I don't hate Chris and I don't want to see him get hurt. He doesn't really deserve it, no matter how much we may disagree with his opinions and his lifestyle. So, I think we have already crossed that line of "too far" once before and I commend whoever is in control of that "black tape" for preventing that from happening again.

For the record, you come across as an A-Logger. What's up with this "THE DAMNED" business?
 
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Pascal said:
So, we can lie to him. We can manipulate him. We can pretend to be his friend in order to stab him in the back for lulz later. We can harass him wherever he goes on the internet. We can send things to his house. We can steal his property. We can violate his privacy and make the most intimate details of his life public against his will. We can set him up for failure again and again just so we can laugh at how pathetic he is.
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Have you ever personally done any of those things? Because if not, then you should probably stop using the word "we".

Beyond that, in the matter of whether or not it's going too far to release something, that's entirely the call of the people in the position to leak it or not. I understand that you disagree with that decision, but you should understand that it's not a democracy, and you don't get a vote.
 
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Pascal said:
So, we can lie to him. We can manipulate him. We can pretend to be his friend in order to stab him in the back for lulz later. We can harass him wherever he goes on the internet. We can send things to his house. We can steal his property. We can violate his privacy and make the most intimate details of his life public against his will. We can set him up for failure again and again just so we can laugh at how pathetic he is. We can call him just about any insult we can think of.
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Sure, some people do all of that stuff to Chris, but we don't.

No trolling plans. The forum is not a gathering place for people wanting to upset Chris.
 
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A-Log and Bluespike are, in my opinion, the "too far" territory. Pranking him as a fake girlfriend like Kacey and Jackie didn't lead him to keister Crayola Model Magic, and the "girlfriends" eventually just break it off and he walks away mostly unscathed. Really, the most destructive force in Chris' life that goes too far, even further than A-Log and Bluespike, is Chris himself.

While Aristocrat did have some points and Pascal did with the original post, Chris is still a human being (at least technically). If you want to see him make an ass of himself, sit back and enjoy. If you wish for worse on him, you're going too far. He's a LOLcow, not Hitler.
 
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What "we" are are observers. We're like news interns keeping tabs on, speculating about, and discussing an international conflict, and sometimes some of us are even given the privilege of reporting on it. But we're not throwing ourselves into the conflict just to to stir the pot.
 
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Not everyone is here to watch him suffer. Even though Chris never listens he is still an amazing anomaly. A completely main-streamed adult autist with an ego beyond compare. He truly is a special snowflake, even if that snowflake is filthy and rather disturbing.

EDIT: When I say suffer I don't include his delusions of suffering at the hands of the (insert current name here) conspiracy. That's fucking hilarious.
 
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What "we" are are observers. We're like news interns keeping tabs on, speculating about, and discussing an international conflict, and sometimes some of us are even given the privilege of reporting on it. But we're not throwing ourselves into the conflict just to to stir the pot.
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pretty much this. i see chris as something of a real-life truman show.
 
so a thread about this subject devolved into spergy slapfights and got locked, and your first reaction is to go "oh wow let me start a new thread about it?"
 
I think the only reason we find joy in Chris' regular grief is purely because of how bizarre it is. When he's "crashing into slumber" and "cursing the men in the pickle suits" and whatnot, that's funny, ONLY Chris would do or say something like that. On the other hand, hearing him cry over Bob would just be depressing, because it's a normal human emotion, one anyone who cares even the slightest about their parents can understand. Whenever one of his heartsweets "bit the dust" he would baw over it for a minute or two then get on with the tard rage, but from what I've heard this REALLY hit him where it hurts, and even Chris deserves some small amount of respect as a human being. He's not Hitler.

EDIT: In which I realize I pmuch just quoted someone else's post verbatim. I'm being REALLY original, honest and true here.

Might be late posting this, but yeah.
 
Pascal said:
There's a pretty heated discussion going on right now about whether to release the audio of Chris grieving over his father. This thread isn't about that, but rather the idea that releasing it would be going "too far," and what "too far" means.

This all sounded a lot less melodramatic in my head. (:_( I apologize for the overt seriousness. What I'm mostly interested in is a discussion about where is too far, not the drama surrounding the audio of Chris crying or what constitutes A-Logging or whatever.
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It wasn't really heated, it was more of one to two posters who didn't understand what A-logging is. I'd think this would be common sense, but I guess it isn't.

You're A-logging if you ant to see Chris in pain or hurting. You're a-logging if you want to see Chris "punished" for something he's done. You're A-logging if you try to make Chris seem worse than he is (I'm even better than Chris! :tomgirl: ) We're aren't trolls here, we are just people who enjoy watching his antics.
 
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We're here to laugh at a exceptional individual. Nothing more, nothing less. We're not helping him. Nor are we giving him his just deserts. Either you think he's funny, or he's' a strange curiosity that interests you. Not a single one of us is here for a moral or virtuous reason, and I don't think that we should pretend otherwise.
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You're right. We are all here for laugh at Chris, however, if his life is gonna be a real tragedy, then it won't be funny anymore. When people started to troll, Chris was just a lazy NEET who constantly exposes himself in the internet for more and more attention. His concerns were superficial too. The fact that he isn't a good person softed the guilt of some people who also started watching and laugh at him and his stupid attitudes. Chris had a happy life, not caring about anything, just videogames and trolls.

And yes, the line was crossed many times, trolls weren't right in some situations. But, you know, that's not mean that everybody agrees. Who have a good judgement knows the difference between mocking someone and ruin it's life. Putting gay ads on his site, making a parody, or even saying his comic is stupid it's okay; However messing with real pain, like a lose of a beloved one is a thing totally different.

I don't know about others, but I don't hate Chris, I even like him a little bit, but just a little. Think about it, Chris has done one great thing unintended, he entertained us for hours. We made his life a hell, but the real bad things that are happening with him isn't our fault. Also we learned something: the way of life wich we shouldn't follow.

And I'm not a white knight, I still wanna see the show go on. However, how we can get new fruits when the tree is dead? Think about it.

Yes, I'm curious about this audio, since CWCki says that Chris didn't cared about his dad's death.
 
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I think you're defining a-log improperly. It's not just hating Chris or doing mean things to him. I think the best way to define a-log is taking Chris too seriously when it doesn't warrant it. So ranting about how Chris is so shitty and he's making all the autists look bad? Probably a-logging. Chris is so evil it should've been him at the Nuremberg trials? Probably a-logging.

Now, this doesn't mean that Chris never does anything wrong. Chris can be a real shithead sometimes and we all know this. The big example that you're all thinking of, I'm sure, is Chris wishing death on Mimms' girlfriend.

Also, you're assuming that we still stand by everything we've ever done. It's been like, what, 5+ years? I was like just out of high school at the time. We were dipshits and a lot of us grew up.

But even if we did stand by everything we did, it's still possible to have limits. Hell, you have limits, what you said in your post.

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But then again, if he was beaten up and sent to the hospital, wouldn't you just eat that CWCki page up? Wouldn't you hungrily seek out all the details you could? Wouldn't the forums light up with activity over that? I know I would, even if, on another level, I'd condemn it.
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Eh, I don't know if there's much of a difference between this and obsessing over some awful tragedy in the newspaper. You can be interested in something, it doesn't mean you endorse it or are encouraging it.

Although, I would note that I really don't believe people would be that interested in Chris getting beat up. Perhaps if Chris did something amusing to prompt getting beat up, that might interest people. But I don't think it'd interest people anymore than him getting himself kicked out of a restaurant. It's not the beating that will interest someone, but the context.
 
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