How much of past history has been warped and completely inaccurate? - George Orwell's fears have been realized.

[Alex Hogendorp]

After researching many so called conspiracies'. Researching what Holocaust Revisionists and Flat Earthers among many other people have to say and George Orwell expressing fear of a warped history in his novel 1984. Knowing enough on how much history has been warped to the authorities favor makes me take almost every piece of history especially before the 20th century to be taken with a grain of salt and completely question the history that has been told to me. It's really complicated but the idea of rewriting history has already been manifested long before George Orwell wrote the novel 1984. Victors of each war write the history in their favor leaving thousands of years of history of be horrendously warped, people have already tried to erase people from history long before Joseph Stalin did. There was an allegedly unpopular Ancient Egyptian ruler referred to as Akhenaten when many people have said that much of his evidence of existence have been destroyed. People are now claiming to make discoveries that historical civilizations have LGBT related stuff or even claim to have discovered a gender that doesn't exist all in a way to present a 'modern' understanding of the world to their masses. The idea is, Governments have the tendency of wage psychological warfare on it's citizens and get them to believe everything they tell them while also shunning those who refuse to go by their narrative. If you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes true and that is usually that case with a lot of people. From what I could gather, the masses believe in something that never happened in a way their false hope and anxieties was manifested. They're completely blind to what humanity is capable and incapable of. They're under a false assumption that they are free the rely on the government to protect them. The government has also conditioned the masses to view their freedoms as selfish and make them sacrifice their living standards to a false cause which in today's case just so happens to be supplying Ukraine and Military Industrial Complex, they have no idea that dangerous things like censorship is critical to destroying their future and has accepted it as the norm. They eventually become completely unconcerned in a brutal tyrannical regime and completely oblivious to the fact that future generations would have no idea that god given freedom is a thing because mentions of god and freedom would be either completely destroyed or warped. Censorship and Political Correctness has made it much more difficult for the masses to question them as those who question the false history has been persecuted. Undocumented people being completely unknown to the masses seem scary enough but having their history completely warped is on a whole new level of sadistic.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Boy oh boy do I have a story for you. Look up Anna Leonowens.

 

[Colon capital V]

>implying everything you know wasn't already warped, skewed, or factually incorrect to a degree already.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Pretty much every bit of history before 1600 or so is guaranteed to have exaggerations and distortions. The history of Ancient Rome is a great example. The first 400 years of Roman history (everything before the first sack of Rome) like the kings of Rome and them getting overthrown (which is legend) or the wars with the Etruscans is all bullshit made up hundreds of years later in the grand historical tradition of glorifying you and your buddies' ancestors and condemning your rivals' ancestors. Our only surviving source is Livy who cobbled together whatever shit he could find plus myths and stories he heard, but then the Romans themselves started accepting Livy as factual. It's fake and gay and made up.

Then there's the other Roman issue of character assassination where they'd make up hilarious rumors like all the bullshit about Caligula or Nero gay-marrying a slave or Domitian being some evil corrupt SOB. In reality, Caligula was probably a decent, ordinary dude, Nero was a good emperor, popular in his day, who had the bad luck to offend some religion that worshipped a dead Jewish man, and Domitian was probably one of Rome's best emperors. It took almost 2,000 years for these men to have their reputations rehabilitated after a bunch of lying bullshit from Roman historians, and that's only because we have other sources to criticize the historians who made up that shit and we have tons of inscriptions and other records showing "hey, these guys weren't so bad."

History after 1600 is less prone to this bullshit because we have far more sources be it government records, newspapers, books, letters, etc. to back it up. That's where it's easier to spot government lies and self-serving nonsense. We can still do that today. As long as we archive things on offline mediums that can last centuries, future historians can piece together truths like "Ukraine was a corrupt shithole the West defended to protect their corruption" and "COVID-19 was created in Wuhan under the direction of Ralph Baric using Peter Daszak and Dr Fauci's money."

 

[Xarpho's Return]

History after 1600 is less prone to this bullshit because we have far more sources be it government records, newspapers, books, letters, etc. to back it up. That's where it's easier to spot government lies and self-serving nonsense. We can still do that today. As long as we archive things on offline mediums that can last centuries, future historians can piece together truths like "Ukraine was a corrupt shithole the West defended to protect their corruption" and "COVID-19 was created in Wuhan under the direction of Ralph Baric using Peter Daszak and Dr Fauci's money."

The problem is still that most of the primary sources--newspapers, official archives, etc. are usually locked up behind paywalls or have no online equivalent at all. This is probably deliberate--ostensibly for copyright reasons, the real reason is to hide information. TPTB have found that this sort of "soft censorship" usually does the job just as well.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

The good guys have won every single war in history, thank god. Truth has always won out. The right genes have proliferated. The most divine religions have come out on top. The most useful and reliable science and understanding of nature has developed and no good stuff has fallen by the wayside ever in history; except for the times where it came back and suddenly won out, but that shows it never really fell by the wayside.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The problem is still that most of the primary sources--newspapers, official archives, etc. are usually locked up behind paywalls or have no online equivalent at all. This is probably deliberate--ostensibly for copyright reasons, the real reason is to hide information. TPTB have found that this sort of "soft censorship" usually does the job just as well.

Theoretically newspapers go into public domain after a certain number of years, so a paywall can't be maintained longer than copyright. See, here's the New York Times on March 6, 1910, totally free and legal to read. Archived notes and shit can be a bitch though since it depends whether the institution who keeps them (i.e. Smithsonian or some library or college) has bothered uploading them to the internet or not but usually they're on microfilm so you can check it in person without anyone bothering you. Just hope you mind waiting nearly a century to get the real details on things (thanks Disney!).

 

[stupid frog]

All of it.

 

[scallion]

They made up hundreds of years to further you from great Kings and Emperors

 

[Tetragrammaton]

think about it this way the people who survive are the ones who write history but will they write it in a fair way or will they leave things out. look at the united states during world war 2 for example most schools do not bother mentioning that the usa rounded up all the asians and threw them into internment camps instead they focus on germany and the holocaust. because you cant really look like a hero if you were doing the same stuff you accused the enemy of doing now can you? so naturally they leave that out.

the bible has been edited all to hell by the catholic church and just in general over the years as have many other things. lets also not forget how much history has been just outright lost due to wars or fires like in the case of the library of alexandria. all this along with the flow of time has most likely caused us to lose a fair amount of history that may or may not have ever been restored.

however the fun thing about history is that if you look long enough youll find both sides to most events in history and thats the stuff that is the most important to preserve.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

The only stuff you can be confident there is a somewhat objective view on is stuff that happened a few hundred years ago, enough time ago to no longer have people moralising but still recent enough that plenty of sources exist regardless of the mainstream narrative.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

History after 1600 is less prone to this bullshit because we have far more sources be it government records, newspapers, books, letters, etc. to back it up. That's where it's easier to spot government lies and self-serving nonsense. We can still do that today. As long as we archive things on offline mediums that can last centuries, future historians can piece together truths like "Ukraine was a corrupt shithole the West defended to protect their corruption" and "COVID-19 was created in Wuhan under the direction of Ralph Baric using Peter Daszak and Dr Fauci's money."

As a history major, all of history is lies. And if you think history of our era will be better documented you are sorely mistaken.

Historians have always been victims of politics and thats why they write about the distant past to not step on anyone's toes. If a historian in 10 or 20 years trys to write about the truth of our era there will still be plenty of people alive who doesn't want that and will make it difficult for them.

But if a historian waits 100 years and writes about it then you still have the lack of information problem of the past. In a digital world everything can be edited or deleted (on purpose or though website shutdowns) archiving everything now isn't going to do us much good if internet archive is willing to censor like with KF or it goes under in the next decade or two. Physical copies aren't going to do much good eithet because the only physical copies that are going to survive are "official narratives" like newspapers, magazines, and goverment docs.

It took almost 2,000 years for these men to have their reputations rehabilitated after a bunch of lying bullshit from Roman historians, and that's only because we have other sources to criticize the historians who made up that shit and we have tons of inscriptions and other records showing "hey, these guys weren't so bad."

Slight powerlevel: One of my professors actually did a series of articles rehabilitating the Julio-Claudian emperors. It's really more of a shitpost due to how university jobs work. Professors are required to write research articles every so often and because certain angles of history has been done to death some historians will take radical viewpoints just to have something to write about. So my professor went into his research not intending to give the Emperors a fair shake, but go full #CaligulaDidNothingWrong for shits and giggles. By the end he was half convinced himself.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

But if a historian waits 100 years and writes about it then you still have the lack of information problem of the past. In a digital world everything can be edited or deleted (on purpose or though website shutdowns) archiving everything now isn't going to do us much good if internet archive is willing to censor like with KF or it goes under in the next decade or two. Physical copies aren't going to do much good eithet because the only physical copies that are going to survive are "official narratives" like newspapers, magazines, and goverment docs.

Digital archaeology is an emerging field. Some old hard drives might be salvageable to scrape the data off. There's also discs specifically meant for archival that are rated to last for decades. It makes plenty of sense people can find those.

Slight powerlevel: One of my professors actually did a series of articles rehabilitating the Julio-Claudian emperors. It's really more of a shitpost due to how university jobs work. Professors are required to write research articles every so often and because certain angles of history has been done to death some historians will take radical viewpoints just to have something to write about. So my professor went into his research not intending to give the Emperors a fair shake, but go full #CaligulaDidNothingWrong for shits and giggles. By the end he was half convinced himself.

That's true, but the evidence is pretty compelling. When all your primary sources are done by people who hate you, it makes sense the truth is something else.

 

[Maurice Maine]

They made up hundreds of years to further you from great Kings and Emperors

1914 wasn't THAT long ago.

 

[A-Stump]

I want to revise history and change it to one where you learn what a fucking paragraph break is

 

[NoSpiceLife]

If you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes true and that is usually that case with a lot of people.

Ever read Brave New World?

That is the basis of each subset in society. Using hypnopaedia sets of lines are repeated.

In fact, he has an amount of contempt for the whole process. 'One hundred repetitions three nights a week for four years,' he says. 'Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth. Idiots!'

 

[NoReturn]

The Americas were settled multiple times. It wasn't a bunch of people from Asian who crossed a land bridge and came upon a pristine and uncontacted world. Even the legends of people who were here before the Europeans talk about other humans already living here, and you can't convince me there isn't some truth behind the Aztec apocalypse myths.

Additionally, there is no way the most amazing seafaring civilizations of the Pacific just suddenly, magically, stopped and turned back at Easter island. No way no how. Those potatoes came from somewhere, dammit.
This, I believe, is also why the native people of the pacific northwest got so mad about Kennewick Man, and why you should never go drinking with a Hopi.

the bible has been edited all to hell by the catholic church and just in general over the years as have many other things. lets also not forget how much history has been just outright lost due to wars or fires like in the case of the library of alexandria. all this along with the flow of time has most likely caused us to lose a fair amount of history that may or may not have ever been restored.

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[Kujo Jotaro]

think about it this way the people who survive are the ones who write history but will they write it in a fair way or will they leave things out. look at the united states during world war 2 for example most schools do not bother mentioning that the usa rounded up all the asians and threw them into internment camps instead they focus on germany and the holocaust. because you cant really look like a hero if you were doing the same stuff you accused the enemy of doing now can you? so naturally they leave that out.

the bible has been edited all to hell by the catholic church and just in general over the years as have many other things. lets also not forget how much history has been just outright lost due to wars or fires like in the case of the library of alexandria. all this along with the flow of time has most likely caused us to lose a fair amount of history that may or may not have ever been restored.

however the fun thing about history is that if you look long enough youll find both sides to most events in history and thats the stuff that is the most important to preserve.

Cicero "lost" and yet its his letters, and accounts that give us a large portion of the information we have on his era. History can't be reduced to a mere phrase such as "History is written by the victors", its not black or white, there is no definitive truth, but at the same time its not all propaganda either; through critical analysis, and thought we can come to some understanding of the events of the past, and how they were interpreted not only by those who went through them, but also by those just after, or even throughout the age's if there was discussion about said events.

Take the Bible for example, yes the Catholic Church has edited it, but we also have largely intact copies and various fragments of both Greek and Aramaic new testaments from before the Catholic Church as the institution we know today and throughout history was even established.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

Look at what people claim about the Kiwi Farms that we know is objectively not true. And remember "peaceful protests" as buildings burned down and people were being beat to death? People lie about or disbelief stuff happening RIGHT NOW as they're able to see it, somehow. Lying about and rewriting things people aren't able to witness is even easier.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

The Americas were settled multiple times. It wasn't a bunch of people from Asian who crossed a land bridge and came upon a pristine and uncontacted world. Even the legends of people who were here before the Europeans talk about other humans already living here, and you can't convince me there isn't some truth behind the Aztec apocalypse myths.

Additionally, there is no way the most amazing seafaring civilizations of the Pacific just suddenly, magically, stopped and turned back at Easter island. No way no how. Those potatoes came from somewhere, dammit.
This, I believe, is also why the native people of the pacific northwest got so mad about Kennewick Man, and why you should never go drinking with a Hopi.


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The Ethiopian Orthodox have a book in the deuterocanon that deals with the Nephilim. Probably it was a legitimate strand of Jewish folklore that the rest of Christianity lost.