How much suffering should you allow your children? - A politically incorrect debate

[Ewan McGregor]

"Schools" and "Education" are being increasingly common to discuss in the A&N section, where a large amount of users feel less than warm to the current school environment, public and private, and there is an increasing trend towards homeschooling.

You might not want your children exposed to certain ideologies, you might not want your children to be minority white when the promoted ideologies are very much unkind to white people and would pit your children against angry underclass ethnic groups. If you are not white, you might feel equally anxious about the twisted race dynamics and sick politics going on. In summary, you fear and don't want your children to be bullied.

This is natural.

But by removing your children for this environment, artificially creating an environment that you consider is appropriate to raise your children you might be creating a clash with the actual, real world the larger you remove them from it.

It is not unheard of children that grow up in such curated environments that, when exposed to the larger world, they feel cheated and reject their parents values, morals or the family as a whole, describing it as cultish and fundamentalist and whatever. It seems a sad reality, particularly in America, that if you make your children choose between you and the rest of the world, they'll choose the rest of the world and they'll conclude you're wrong and crazy, which is kind of normal since in the end they have to survive in society.

So I wonder to which degree children should be exposed to the world as it is, and in which manner this will be beneficial for them in the long run even if that causes them to be miserable and has potentially tragic consequences. This is a politically charged, modern day twist on the classic "Overprotective dad" or "Helicopter mom" parenting style, of course, and we know it's not been good in the past.

It seems to me that raising kids today is rather difficult, and isolating the children to create the perfect environment is as lazy as just hands off parenting where you let TV, School and Peers to raise your children. I figure that the real effort parenting is let the children live in the real world and try to reason with them about nuance and why you think your values are correct, in case they oppose the encroaching institutions. It might have a low success rate but from what I've seen IRL seems to be a higher success rate than the other two options, though the prospect is really scary.

What do the farms think? How much Spartan would you go on your children?

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Honey this is kiwifarms, I think “child raising” is something beyond reach for the average user.

 

[Cat tit bingo]

Honey this is kiwifarms, I think “child raising” is something beyond reach for the average user.

It can be pretty horrifying to remember some internet shitposters do reproduce, but some anime avatars are indeed raising the future generation.

Thats why it's reasonable to give up hope.

 

[winterfag]

You should pin the child down and record their screams

 

[Ewan McGregor]

You should pin the child down and record their screams

We are not endorsing the Greene County Educational Programme here

 

[Caesare]

"Helicopter mom" parenting style, of course, and we know it's not been good in the past.

I keep hearing this term all of a sudden. (helicopter mom) It's new, right? People didn't always say words like this. Or did I just miss it all these years?

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I keep hearing this term all of a sudden. (helicopter mom) It's new, right? People didn't always say words like this. Or did I just miss it all these years?

The term has been around since the 90s, at least. Hover Parents have been a problem since the 1990s Christian Right were in power, and it used to be cordoned off to just them, but now I think the liberals are doing it more. Fatherlessness creates soymales, but a shitty mother creates hateful and resentful jackasses, and both groups basically make up the entire base of the youth today.

 

[Troonos]

Sounds like a public school teacher trying to save their job. OK groomer.

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

I keep hearing this term all of a sudden. (helicopter mom) It's new, right? People didn't always say words like this. Or did I just miss it all these years?

I've heard this term for almost 20 years bucko. You're behind the curb.

Honestly I think the baseline should be trusting public education since it's more efficient with your time as a parent and you're already paying for it anyway. However, you should be keenly aware of your child's education and how they're doing in school anyway. It might be some effort (but then again, when doesn't raising a kid take effort) but you have to be prepared to talk to your child's teachers, principal, counselors, etc. to know what they're being taught, and also be prepared to talk to your kid about things that you want them to know from experience in spite of what school might teach them. Like that college/university in America is a scam and they should never fucking go.

My opinion's worth shit though since I'm never raising a kid.

 

[Overcast]

No, Bobby. You can't have ice cream if you haven't eaten your vegetables.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Let them be raised by the government then watch them create their own problems and fight over it while laughing all the way to the lolcow mines (nobody here is having kids BB)

 

[BBJ_4_Ever]

Life is full of suffering, but there are some things to which children should never be exposed. Both public and private schools are teaching a lot of them these days. Parents have to be ready to put a stop to it. We've all been "bullied" by today's standards. It's one thing if you are laughed at once because your voice cracked reading a report and another when you are told your race ruined the world. Yet another, when you're taught how to circumvent your parents to get life endangering drugs and body modifications. The last two are unacceptable.
An adult who chooses to go against their upbringing does not mean the parent was wrong to protect the child from danger.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

What do you think I am? Some sort of biblical monster? Why would I do homeschooling when I can leave them with the faithful government appointed stewards?

I wasn't planning on having thanksgivings without debates where my kids disown me for reffering to people by their sex.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Life is full of suffering, but there are some things to which children should never be exposed. Both public and private schools are teaching a lot of them these days. Parents have to be ready to put a stop to it. We've all been "bullied" by today's standards. It's one thing if you are laughed at once because your voice cracked reading a report and another when you are told your race ruined the world. Yet another, when you're taught how to circumvent your parents to get life endangering drugs and body modifications. The last two are unacceptable.
An adult who chooses to go against their upbringing does not mean the parent was wrong to protect the child from danger.

But that's not exactly the point of my thread, though.

I think it is unfair for any children to be told that they're evil because of the colour of their skin, and it does appear that for whatever god damn reason in the states they're really, really, really, really hell bent on exposing children to drag shows and other sexually inappropriate things, but mostly drag shows for whatever fucked up reasons.

I am not arguing that any responsible parent should not protect children for what amounts to psychological torture and sexual abuse. What I'm arguing is that I don't believe that isolating children from the realities of the modern work will help.

I think it's scary to let children interact with a corrupt world but maybe there is a controlled way of allowing your children to do so, and interpret things for what they are?

 

[BBJ_4_Ever]

But that's not exactly the point of my thread, though.

I think it is unfair for any children to be told that they're evil because of the colour of their skin, and it does appear that for whatever god damn reason in the states they're really, really, really, really hell bent on exposing children to drag shows and other sexually inappropriate things, but mostly drag shows for whatever fucked up reasons.

I am not arguing that any responsible parent should not protect children for what amounts to psychological torture and sexual abuse. What I'm arguing is that I don't believe that isolating children from the realities of the modern work will help.

I think it's scary to let children interact with a corrupt world but maybe there is a controlled way of allowing your children to do so, and interpret things for what they are?

My apologies, I did misunderstand.
One of the Welcome to Plathville childen, on another thread, ran away and became an underwear model. Is this what you really mean by exposing to corruption?
These children were on television and thereby were exposed to other ideas.

 

[Caesare]

I am not arguing that any responsible parent should not protect children for what amounts to psychological torture and sexual abuse. What I'm arguing is that I don't believe that isolating children from the realities of the modern work will help.

I think it's scary to let children interact with a corrupt world but maybe there is a controlled way of allowing your children to do so, and interpret things for what they are?

It's a fine line that you must walk. It's not easy because there are so many outside influences that you don't want your kids exposed to, yet you also don't want to lock them up and shelter them like crazy, where they don't experience the things that they need to.

That fear might also rub off on them, and you don't want your kids to go through life scared of everything, all of the time.

I like to tell them to ask plenty questions, to me, to teachers, to any authorities giving you information that you are unsure about or that requires further explanation.

Don't just accept everything that your teachers tell you, question them and make them explain it. And you can ask me about it when you get home for further verification and I can explain why a thing is or is not.

Even in Catholic school, I'm not 100% certain that some teacher with a chip on their shoulder and an agenda, isn't trying to slip in some subtle homosexuality or other subversive nonsense. That's why I tell them if it sounds funny or weird, tell me about it.

Also, trust your feelings. If for any reason something doesn't feel right, it probably isn't, and there might be a problem. When that happens, they need to tell me and their mom.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

My apologies, I did misunderstand.
One of the Welcome to Plathville childen, on another thread, ran away and became an underwear model. Is this what you really mean by exposing to corruption?
These children were on television and thereby were exposed to other ideas.

The guy is clearly attractive and has a good body, there's no way he wasn't doing this. At least he's doing something legitimate, not porn or onlyfans. He comes across as well adjusted enough.

Especially since his idiots parent decided to go from isolationist paranoid retards straight to Hollywood. Now I think a show like this one is completely fake 90% of the time but it's pretty much the point of this thread.

If you are, say, against Critical Race Theory, or TRA ideology, or any of these things, and you somehow managed to isolate your children from it, which would imply living a life like those people supposedly live, with no media or highly curated media, by the time your children find these things do exist they are going to feel cheated. They are going to feel that you have robbed them of knowledge. And they are going to fall for it HARD.

Because they will be consciously or subconsciously spiteful that you decided for them what is wrong and right, even if it is what you have to do. I think this is a tricky part where being a parent is difficult, because children will chose the wrong choices just to let you know that you don't control them.

Children generally hate being indoctrinated. I've seen too many conservative parents children and children that attended religious schools go full libtard out of spite.

As I see it, it pays off to assume children are more intelligent and able than they actually are and it is way more advisable to raise them IN the world, because that's where they will have to live. If you have done your job teaching them critical thinking and moral basics, they will eventually choose the right thing, I think.

But I'm being hypothetical, I would struggle a lot if I had children in the current environment so maybe I shouldn't be read as a parenting guru or something like that. But I think this is the correct way.

However, as you say, there are red lines that shouldn't be crossed.

 

[FagAlaska]

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How much Spartan would you go on your children?

Go full spartan you fucking paedo, that's the answer your looking for to justify your sick fantasies right?

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[Safir]

So I wonder to which degree children should be exposed to the world as it is, and in which manner this will be beneficial for them in the long run

This depends on whether you can watch them.

If you can homeschool, go ahead. It doesn't matter how much you reveal. Trannies won't be able to rape your kid if you're always there to laugh at them.

If you have to entrust a child to a third-party, that third party should be squeaky clean. There's nothing worse than giving an evil person authority over your child -- and I mean authority in the widest possible sense -- teachers, of course, or a stepparent / shitty relative, but the tv and the interwebs are authorities, too. I was shamefully old when it was revealed to me that books can be bad. I was raised in reverence for books, and I was utterly stunned.

If you have to "entrust" the child to a third-party (e.g. you're a single parent and can't move) and you think that party may be an evil pervert, you have to proof your kid. This means telling him absolutely everything and explaining, over and over again, that you're on his side. This means you will have to work 4x as hard at parenting in your time off work. Hire a lawyer. Drill the kid on his rights. Teach him to call out perverts. Teach him self-defense, his rights wrt it (probably none lol), and other ways to resist, give him a gsm rape whistle and a covert recording device. Teach him to sneed on the adults, not the children (to not get written up for "bullying"). If a psychologist tries to talk to him, he blow the whistle and demand a lawyer. If he's led to a drag queen story hour, he should blow the whistle and start calling the creature a kiddy diddler (which it is) and asking when it'll 41%. If there's a pedo club at school, he should call it a pedo club or infiltrate it.
Is this setting him up for trouble? Not particularly, it's nothing outside of what is commonly recommended for pedo-proofing.
I guarantee your kid will not be bullied (if he's not fat, obviously), on the contrary he'll be the coolest kid in class. Look at Elon Musk, everyone loves Elon Musk, eh bans groomers and doesn't afraid of anything. Your kid can be Elon Musk for like $600.

even if that causes them to be miserable and has potentially tragic consequences.

This is completely wrong. Children don't go bad because they don't get to do anything perverted, they go bad because they don't get to do anything interesting. This applies to celebrity kids, fundie kids, niglets, poor whites, the average fat momma who buys her kid "educational apps" on the ipad. No one dies thinking "I should've spent more time wanking to tranny porn", and no one grows up thinking "I should've spent more time wanking to tranny porn" if s/he had literally anything else to do. It could be a hobby, it could be a trade. Both come with obstacles: trades may have safety regulations, hobbies may be unavailable rurally or cost a shitton of money/time in a bughive. If your kid is a boy, a healthy hobby will get him a girlfriend as a young adult.

So I wonder to which degree children should be exposed to the world as it is

Nature, trades, and hobbies is also "the world as it is", the soy bughive is the artificial construct.

by the time your children find these things do exist they are going to feel cheated

"I feel cheated because I didn't get to see a fleshy coke can rotting from both ends sewn on to a pudgy retard's crotch", said no one ever in the history of the universe.

if you make your children choose between you and the rest of the world, they'll choose the rest of the world

You shouldn't be making your children choose you. You aspire to be dead sooner than them after all. You should make your kids to choose your world instead of the soy bughive cuckworld. Which is hard, because you're not rich, and the soy bughive cuckworld is made to look like one of infinite possibilities, all seen through a fake window.

I figure that the real effort parenting is let the children live in the real world and try to reason with them about nuance and why you think your values are correct

Ultra-wrong, lmao bottom text. Kids are small and dumb, you don't "reason" with them regarding adult matters. You're the adult. You're tautologically correct in your beliefs, and you have to raise him accordingly. To that end you have to laugh with him at the creeps. This is the ultimate in parental authority. A large part of why everything is the way it is, is cos people aren't allowed to laugh anywhere (except the Farms). Don't shout at the kid, don't laugh at the kid, laugh with him at the things and people which are stupid and wrong.

 

[Acronym]

How much suffering should you allow your children?​

enough to know life isn't fair.