How to communicate with people who think you're just uneducated on their position? - Religion, politics, social issues, fitness, it could be anything, but they think you just don't understand.

[NoReturn]

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It's pretty common to run into people who think you disagree with them because you don't understand their position, rather than assuming you understand it and disagree (Because if you understand, why don't you agree?)

As an example: I understand pitbulls can't help their nature. They're born the way they are with the instincts they have, they didn't choose to be that way, but I think that makes them "bad dogs", not "misunderstood dogs". You could try saying their own position back to them to show you understand, but then they'd nitpick specific details as if that invalidates your whole position (e.g. "Actually Muhammed didn't rape Aisha until she was NINE, he just married her when she was six!")

How do you reach them?
Or, if not "reach", how can you have a civil discussion?

nb4 "Just avoid them"

 

[We Are The Witches]

I learned that on the Internet is hardly worth it (almost never).

If you care & respect the other person, at least to a minimal degree, you would engage by attempting to highlight the misconceptions or fallacies before proceeding, one by one, so that you're on the same page.

In your "Muhammad example", that would be just a red-herring, or moving the goalpost depending on the context. In the case of the pitbull, you'd need to explain nuance & what key differences exist between "bad" and "misunderstood".
Sometimes words have subjective meanings or are up to interpretation; if you're having an in depth conversation, you need to define the terms you'll be using, or you'll often go in circles.

 

[IrishGuy088]

Your best bet is to remain respectful and try to get them to talk themselves into a contradiction. Then hope and pray that they notice what they've done.

 

[オプセック]

If you care & respect the other person, at least to a minimal degree, you would engage by attempting to highlight the misconceptions or fallacies before proceeding, one by one, so that you're on the same page.

If you actually managed to do that, you'd just realize that their core values are so far removed from yours, you will just end up unearthing more things they believe which you will find contemptuous. This is were violent conflict comes into the picture.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Humor them and act the part. If you already know the topic just ask the right questions that they'll trip themselves up with.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

you cant. beat them to death instead. saves everyone time (except you because you gotta beat them to death)

 

[Girl Named Sandoz]

call them a nigger and move on, it's not worth wasting your time trying

 

[Blindeye]

The only real way to do it is by deconstructing things all the way down to the fundamental disagreement, but usually if someone is arguing politics they aren't going to entertain that kind of talk to that conclusion, and even if they are it's often unwise if your fundamental disagreement is something like "I don't believe all humans are equal"

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Don't waste your time. Walk away or don't engage.

 

[blur]

Try the questioning apologetic method. It often works on bone heads.

 

[Weebburner]

Debate them. but before you do, do a quick research on Wikipedia about the subject at hand. Make sure to be on some sort of upper or Adderall during the debate. Talk fast and move on to another point or a different subject if you are being outdebated. If you are losing, say they are clout chasing or that the debate didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Most debates are not about convincing your opponent, but actually about convincing the audience. So you shouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

Well first off you really shouldn't expect that they would assume you know what they know. Nor should you just patently assume that you fully understand their position from the get-go.
Patience and humility are essential to civil discussion. Listen to them and make them feel heard even if you genuinely did hear it all before. Ask relevant questions that demonstrate your understanding and follow up with counter arguments that have not yet been addressed.

If your genuine efforts to maintain civil discourse are met with hostility or patronizing contempt, then there’s not much left for you to do but accept that you're arguing with a prick and respond accordingly.

 

[LifeAlert]

Don't bother. They are close-minded faggots who think they are always right. You will never get through to them and they will either learn the hard way that going through life dictated by politifaggotry will not lead to happiness or they will never learn at all.

If you go along with them, you are an easily manipulated cuck with no spine and no core values. You are a malleable piece of trash which is exactly the kind of loser politifaggots seek out and recruit anyway

 

[Sick Bunny]

they wont listen to u anyway
just tell them to rope :p

 

[CoolFool]

I disagree with those who say "don't bother". I have mentioned it on KF before, I used to be an SJW and part of how I came out of it was having people willing to question my beliefs and make me really think more critically about why I believed what I did. Obviously, there are *some* people you will never be able to reach, and you shouldn't waste your time on them, but I think there's nothing wrong with talking to people and challenging them, especially if they aren't frothing at the mouth rabid.

Anyways, controversial maybe but I have found in some situations, it pays to act "stupid" when you question them. That way they don't get defensive, but they will still have to think about how they answer you. Example, if talking about Muhammad, if they said he married a 6 year old girl, not slept with her when she was 9, I might say "Oh, I see. I wonder why an adult needs to marry a child though? That's kind of weird... What do you think they did as a married couple at that age?" Even if they can't come up with an answer, I know they're thinking about it and feeling uneasy because they can't come up with a response that squares up with their beliefs.

 

[PonderosaPete]

Ask if they're retarded and say "no one believes that". If they just to give you proof or sources for their beliefs, tap on whatever they gave you dismissively and say "this is clearly AI generated. Because of my field I'm an expert in spotting fakes." Works every time.

 

[Fascist Frederick]

Screech loudly, shit in your hand, then throw it at them. Then continue screeching and knock over everything in the vicinity that isn't nailed down. Be sure to maintain as much eye contact as possible.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

It's called prisoner's dilemma.

Person A argues in earnest, Person B argues in earnest, both come out ahead with new and enlightened perspective
Person A argues in earnest, Person B trolls Person A, Person B comes out way ahead with smug satisfication that far outweighs having an enlightened perspective while Person A suffers from extreme asshurt
Person A and Person B both troll each other relentlessly, both manage to waste their energy and piss each other off but not as bad as if only one person was doing the trolling

According to game theory, once someone takes the troll option, you must also take the troll option

 

[Turkey Beef]

Can only speak for myself, but I don't bother. They're free to think whatever the hell they want, and I'm free to do the same. Doesn't mean I have to be around them, but that's another topic altogether.

One of my friends is even a politician nowadays and his party represents a complete opposite in the political spectrum from where my stance lies. I wouldn't never vote him but I can party on with him anytime. I've had to distance myself from former friends in the past due to their alcoholism, depression and suicidal ideation, but never for stupid reasons like having different political views, but then again, I never have much associated with purity-test-obsessed weirdos in the first place.