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So instead of having companies and non-profits, every aspect of the nation was a wing of the military. Production, governance, arts, even prostitutes and porn filming, all are different colors under on singular organization?
How well (and how long) would a country run, who's entire structure was millitary?
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but why
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Ad Dawlat Islamiyya fiq Iraq wa ash Sham ("The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria") lasted approximately five years.
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You mean a military dictatorship? North Korea and a few African shitholes have been plodding along since the 1940's off that model. While others (ISIS) barely lasted a few year in it.
The reality is that "how your country runs" is not a very important to its longevity. "How much and how effectively can your country produce/acquire/protect raw and processed materials (food, metal, etc.) for its population" is a far better question to ask when determining how long a country can last.
The reality is that "how your country runs" is not a very important to its longevity. "How much and how effectively can your country produce/acquire/protect raw and processed materials (food, metal, etc.) for its population" is a far better question to ask when determining how long a country can last.
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Which country? With what history, people, and established culture? When, with what technology?
A dirt poor military dictatorship in an awful location with few natural resources seized through violent revolution would be different than a hypothetical developed nation's martial law-based government borne of a world war-esque event that carries on afterward. A common cause and the will of the citizenry would be massive factors in its success or failure.
Even in ideal conditions, however, once the 'threat' that the military government stands against disappears, it's a matter of time as new generations are born before the draws of leisure and pleasure result in the gradual collapse in support for their militaristic absolutist form of government. Especially if they interact with other, freer nations with separated military and private ownership whose citizens seem to have things 'better'. I feel as though a gradual separation from an absolutist military government toward greater private ownership would be inevitable over time as the reasons and belief in its establishment become farther away in the rear view mirror.
A dirt poor military dictatorship in an awful location with few natural resources seized through violent revolution would be different than a hypothetical developed nation's martial law-based government borne of a world war-esque event that carries on afterward. A common cause and the will of the citizenry would be massive factors in its success or failure.
Even in ideal conditions, however, once the 'threat' that the military government stands against disappears, it's a matter of time as new generations are born before the draws of leisure and pleasure result in the gradual collapse in support for their militaristic absolutist form of government. Especially if they interact with other, freer nations with separated military and private ownership whose citizens seem to have things 'better'. I feel as though a gradual separation from an absolutist military government toward greater private ownership would be inevitable over time as the reasons and belief in its establishment become farther away in the rear view mirror.
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Terribly, like every other centrally planned/totalitarian society.
Even if it functioned that way, there are things to live for in life besides security. Indeed, I'd say security's only meaningful function is to enable living a good life. The Spartans were the most militarized people in history and they lived in misery for it.
Even if it functioned that way, there are things to live for in life besides security. Indeed, I'd say security's only meaningful function is to enable living a good life. The Spartans were the most militarized people in history and they lived in misery for it.
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Seems like it would be one societal sized sucking up competition. Oh and if every single aspect of the country is controlled like a military hierarchy, if you became an enemy of one part you could end up an enemy of it all.
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I'll adopt the Hitler model along with some Israeli policies.
It will be the bestest country. All brownies that flood the border trying to come in for gibz and trash pussy (I learned that brown people view putting their dick into a white woman as a grand life accomplishment akin to being a successful doctor) will get gunned down by an automated turret system and their corpses pushed into the piranha river. The liberals can't cry because the violence is out of sight therefore it's out of their mind.
We will be Wakanda forever.
It will be the bestest country. All brownies that flood the border trying to come in for gibz and trash pussy (I learned that brown people view putting their dick into a white woman as a grand life accomplishment akin to being a successful doctor) will get gunned down by an automated turret system and their corpses pushed into the piranha river. The liberals can't cry because the violence is out of sight therefore it's out of their mind.
We will be Wakanda forever.
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What OP is referring to is a Stratocracy. Not just a normal one, but what I refer to as a "Full Societal Stratocracy". Meaning that 100% of GDP or even more, the population, national resources, etc. would be dedicated to maintaining Total War levels of military force even during peacetime. Such a system would be technically unfeasible for a human civilization unless you were facing an extinction level catastrophe with a hostile alien race and were on the losing foot.
For context, as far as I can find, the only countries to reach such levels are Russia from 1916-1919, and Germany in 1944.
For context, as far as I can find, the only countries to reach such levels are Russia from 1916-1919, and Germany in 1944.
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IMO the question doesn't really make sense. What exactly would it mean for "every aspect of the nation to be under the wing of the military"? If I write and record an album do I get executed for making music outside of the remit of the State Department for Audio Entertainment or something?
If you're just talking about military juntas (i.e the military just running the government), plenty of those have existed and continue to exist (Myanmar springs to mind, as do most Latin American nations during the Cold War). Generally speaking, these places are shitholes most people wouldn't want to live in if given the choice. So there's your answer.
If you're just talking about military juntas (i.e the military just running the government), plenty of those have existed and continue to exist (Myanmar springs to mind, as do most Latin American nations during the Cold War). Generally speaking, these places are shitholes most people wouldn't want to live in if given the choice. So there's your answer.
Not really. Rome varied from being a monarchy to an oligarchic republic to a monarchy in denial, to finally a monarchy again. It wasn't really a military dictatorship outside of a few exceptions like the rule of Sulla.
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North Korea, Eritrea, and Myanmar still exist. Their militaries own a fuckton of businesses and non-military operatiojs.
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Although both have never achieved peacetime, ISIS and NK are good examples.
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Venezuela too. IIRC Chavez put a lot of the companies he nationalised under army control, direct or indirect.
If you'll excuse the redditry, there were no independent nations in Africa in 1940 save for Ethiopia, Liberia, and SA.
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Iran is close as well. I think their military owns something like 1000 companies and is responsible for half of GDP (these numbers are probably wrong).
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There's also the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps in China which is some weird hybrid of the National Guard, a corporation, and the traditional Chinese farmer-soldier concept. They run a couple of cities and a bunch of factories and are the guys doing the Uyghur slave labor shit. Although they aren't as much military though these days as they were back when Mao ran the show.