Disaster 'Humans are all they know' - Fate of whales uncertain as marine zoo shuts - Japanese deal to "save" whales thankfully falls through


The fate of two killer whales is uncertain following the closure of a marine zoo on Sunday.

Campaigners and the zoo's managers have been locked in disagreement about what should happen to the orca whales with the French government already blocking one proposal to rehome them.

Last month Marineland Antibes, located near Cannes in the French Riviera, said it would permanently shut on 5 January following new animal welfare laws.

The legislation, which bans the use of dolphins and whales in marine zoo shows, was passed in 2021 but comes into effect next year.

Marineland, which describes itself as the largest of its kind in Europe, currently keeps two killer whales - Wikie, 23, and her 11-year-old son Keijo.

Managers say shows featuring killer whales and dolphins attract 90% of Marineland's visitors – and that without it the business isn't viable.

Several destinations for the whales have been proposed but there is disagreement on where they should go and what should happen to them.

Most experts agree that releasing the two whales, which are Icelandic orcas specifically, into the wild would not be suitable as both were born in captivity and would not have the skills to survive.

"It's a bit like taking your dog out of the house and sending him into the woods to live freely as a wolf," says Hanne Strager.

In 2023 the marine biologist published The Killer Whale Journals, which details her decades long interest in the ocean predator and how they behave.

"Those whales, that have spent their entire lives in captivity, their closest relationship is with humans. They are the ones who have provided them with food, care, activities and social relations.

"Killer whales are highly social animals, as social as we [humans] are, and they depend on social bonds. They have established those bonds with their trainers … They depend on humans and that is the only thing they know."

A deal to send Wikie and Keijo to a marine zoo in Japan, backed by managers at Marineland, caused outcry among campaigners who said they would receive worse treatment.

Last November the French government blocked the deal, saying the animal welfare laws in Japan were relaxed compared to those in Europe and that the 13,000km (8,000 mile) journey would cause stress to the orcas.

Another option is to send them to a Spanish marine zoo in the Canary Islands.

Loro Parque, in Tenerife, complies with European animal welfare standards but campaigners fear Wikie and Keijo will still be made to perform there.

There have also been several orca deaths there in the last few years.

A 29-year-old male called Keto passed away in November and three other orcas died there between March 2021 and September 2022.

Loro Parque say scientific examinations of those three orcas by the University of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria show the deaths were unavoidable.

Katheryn Wise, from the charity World Animal Protection (Wap), tells the BBC: "It would be devastating for Wikie and Keijo to end up in another entertainment venue like Loro Parque – from one whale jail to another."

Wap want the orcas to be rehomed in an adapted ocean bay.

"[We and] many others have urged the government of France to do everything it can to facilitate the movement of the orcas to a sanctuary off the coast of Nova Scotia."

The organisation hoping to build the facility in eastern Canada say it would be able to attract funding if it received a commitment from the French government to send the two whales there.

The Whale Sanctuary Project (WSP) proposes to close off an area of seawater measuring 40 hectares (98 acres) with nets.

Wikie and Keijo could then use the large expanse of water, with human support from vets and welfare workers, until the end of their lives.

The average lifespan of a male killer whale is about 30 years, according to the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration agency. Females usually live about 50 years.

"Life at the sanctuary will be as close as is possible to what they would have experienced growing up in the ocean," say the WSP. "It will be a new life that will make up for so much of what went before."

This kind of project has been done before.

Keiko, the orca that starred in the 1993 move Free Willy, was rescued from captivity in 1996 before being taken to a bay in Iceland in 1998.

Unlike Wikie and Keijo, he was born in the wild and was able to relearn some of the necessary survival skills while living in the bay for four years.

He eventually left with a pod of orcas he had joined and swam to Norway where he died in 2003 following an infection.

Strager warns that the proposed sanctuary might feel as alien to Wikie and Keijo as open ocean would.

"We have this conception that animals enjoy freedom in the same sense we do, 'now they are free and they will love it.'

"We don't know if they see freedom the same way ... Are they going to be scared because it is so different to what they're used to? I don't know."

She tells the BBC: "I don't think there are any good solutions for animals that have been kept in captivity their whole lives."

More than 4,000 animals will be moved out of Marineland, which was founded in 1970 by Count Roland de la Poype.

He was a decorated fighter pilot who fought during World War Two before establishing himself in the plastics industry and opening Marineland due to his interest in sea life.

The closure of his passion project is the latest step in a campaign targeting marine zoos that has gained momentum over the last 15 years.

The actress Pamela Anderson called for the closure of Marineland in 2017 and held a protest outside its entrance saying "captivity kills".

In 2013, the documentary Blackfish detailed how an orca called Tilikum killed trainer Dawn Brancheau after a show at SeaWorld Orlando in 2010.

He grabbed her and dragged her into the water where he tore off her arm and drowned her.

The film also outlines how Tilikum was also involved in the deaths of two other people.

Researchers interviewed in the film argued that orcas captured from the wild and trained to perform become violent in captivity.

Visitor numbers and financial revenues at SeaWorld suffered in the aftermath of the documentary and in 2016 they suspended their captive breeding programme.

They rejected calls to release their remaining orcas into the wild, saying they would likely die if left to fend for themselves.

Eighteen months ago they opened a new marine zoo in the United Arab Emirates, SeaWorld's first outside the US.

The new facility in Abu Dhabi is a $1.2bn (£966m) venture with state-owned leisure developer Miral and boasts the largest aquarium in the world.

There aren't any orcas on show here but, to the dismay of campaigners, dolphins still are.

Wap have helped convince Expedia not to sell any more holidays involving performances by dolphins in captivity and want other travel companies to do the same.

"Blackfish was more than a hit – it was a phenomenon," writes the scientist Naomi Rose in a report by Wap. "I am convinced it pushed western society past the tipping point on the subject of captive cetaceans."
 
Maybe instead of causing the death of probably dozens of innocent animals through the immediate closure of these places, they could have made sure that they more properly looked after the ones they had until their natural deaths.
But that's too much foresight and actual thinking required outside of 'everything I don't like is bad and must be destroyed, regardless of all consequences'. I hate activists, it's always just people being selfish and wanting attention.
We have this conception that animals enjoy freedom in the same sense we do, 'now they are free and they will love it.'

"We don't know if they see freedom the same way ... Are they going to be scared because it is so different to what they're used to? I don't know."
Orcas are very family orientated, wild groups will not take in strangers (especially strangers that are the equivalent of a human that has been raised away from other humans all of its life and never learned any proper communication behaviours). They also won't know how to hunt for their own food, so its not that they will be scared, more they will suffer greatly and die from starvation. Or they end up like that beluga in Norway, didn't end too well for him either in the end.
 
I hate anti animal show activism, tbf. If humans earn our food, why not animals? Sure we can train them without hurting them, and there is no difference between teaching a dolphin to do a few tricks to gain food and protection and money that helps to rescue more animals and train a dog to rescue people or a horse to pull a cart.

Do what NASA did in the 60s and set them up in a water filled house where they get to do drugs and get jerked off by scientist ladies.
I thought you were gonna say to keep them in a tank for when men from the future come and get them to save planet earth...
 
Aside from all the other issues, it's cruel to keep two orcas alone. They're highly social pod (school/flock/herd) animals that are supposed to live in groups of 5+.

Social animals live under intense stress without proper numbers in their group. Even chickens need to be kept in flocks of at least 4 birds for their psychological health. The common aquarium fish "Neons" need to be kept in schools of 10+ to develop normal schooling behavior.
Another option is to send them to a Spanish marine zoo in the Canary Islands.
Loro Parque has three orcas currently, so adding two more would give them the natural pod size of 5+. It's the obvious answer. That zoo has 10 dolphins and a long history of keeping orcas. Some have died, of course, but orcas don't do well in captivity in general.
 
We did it Patrick! We saved the whales!!!!
 
I hate anti animal show activism, tbf. If humans earn our food, why not animals? Sure we can train them without hurting them, and there is no difference between teaching a dolphin to do a few tricks to gain food and protection and money that helps to rescue more animals and train a dog to rescue people or a horse to pull a cart.
The problem is that they are not domesticated. They're not dogs and cats that through hundreds of millennia slowly lost any wild traits they might have had, they're wild animals that were stolen from the wild/their families and made to perform tricks. Even the ones bred and raised in captivity aren't domesticated, the orcas live in tanks that are the equivalent in size to a bathroom. There's a reason Tillikum killed all those Sea World trainers and why his dorsal fin was flopped over instead of standing up straight.

I'm not saying to just free them, that's ridiculous, but it's better to make a netted off area in a harbor or something where they can live and be fed the rest of their lives and see people since they are not wary of them.
 
This just all reminds me why I was never a fan of the Blackfish documentary and groaned every time someone brought it up as a way to discredit zoos and the like.

Also, I believe SeaWorld did try at one point to free one of their orcas due to public appeals, and all that happened was that the animal kept on trying to socialize with humans and eventually beached himself.
 
This just all reminds me why I was never a fan of the Blackfish documentary and groaned every time someone brought it up as a way to discredit zoos and the like.

Also, I believe SeaWorld did try at one point to free one of their orcas due to public appeals, and all that happened was that the animal kept on trying to socialize with humans and eventually beached himself.
Anyone using Blackfish as an example to do away with zoos is a retard, since it was talking about ocean life theme parks, and Sea World specifically.

I don't know about beaching itself, I thought they put a net around it and let it see people?
 
The problem is that they are not domesticated. They're not dogs and cats that through hundreds of millennia slowly lost any wild traits they might have had, they're wild animals that were stolen from the wild/their families and made to perform tricks. Even the ones bred and raised in captivity aren't domesticated, the orcas live in tanks that are the equivalent in size to a bathroom. There's a reason Tillikum killed all those Sea World trainers and why his dorsal fin was flopped over instead of standing up straight.

I'm not saying to just free them, that's ridiculous, but it's better to make a netted off area in a harbor or something where they can live and be fed the rest of their lives and see people since they are not wary of them.
In current day, animals that are captured from the wild to be sent to a zoo or exhibition are rare. Most are either rescued or born in captivity. Tillikum was captured in 1983, more than 40 years ago. We have now a different approach to animal care.

There is also the issue of people trying to give animals traits they don't have. Animals in captivity aren't Martin from Madagascar, they aren't dreaming of going to the jungle. They are comfortable and well provided in food and health by their caretakers. The idea that animals roam free because they're enjoying is pure hippie talk, they move around mostly due to migration caused by predators or climate.
 
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