Is consumerism materialism the same thing?

[mr.moon1488]

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[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

Atheism and Consoomerism are one in the same, given enough time.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Atheism and Consoomerism are one in the same, given enough time.

I agree, but why is that?

 

[contradiction of terns]

I agree, but why is that?

Because the void must be filled, be it by God or soymilk and 300 Funko Pops.

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

I agree, but why is that?

Because without belief in some kind of higher power- or at the very least an agnostic code of conduct like Daoism or Confucianism or Stoicism- people become hedonists and try to numb their sorrows with materialistic goods- especially drugs and liquor.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Because the void must be filled, be it by God or soymilk and 300 Funko Pops.

Because without belief in some kind of higher power- or at the very least an agnostic code of conduct like Daoism or Confucianism or Stoicism- people become hedonists and try to numb their sorrows with materialistic goods- especially drugs and liquor.

So it is the result of trying to compensate for something which can be perceived as missing?

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

So it is the result of trying to compensate for something which can be perceived as missing?

Why do you think alot of lolcows, particularly male, lolcows (like the tranch) like to brag about their extensive firearm collection? I own one rifle and one pistol because it's all I need- and I pawned the one rifle I owned to get a wedding ring. That didn't work out- so I got a refund and used the extra cash to turn my KiwiCoin into Silver Vampire Repellant Mr. T bling.

 

[contradiction of terns]

So it is the result of trying to compensate for something which can be perceived as missing?

I would compare it to the large numbers of men who leave the military and then troon out. What previously gave their life meaning and a greater sense of belonging and purpose has been effectively stripped from them, so they replace it with a new in-group that provides all these things.

Alternatively, a lot of the people who turn to drugs or booze are just trying to numb the sense of hopelessness and lack of purpose that comes with believing you are alone in the universe and will die and be forgotten.

Prolly get different reasons depending on whether it's a man/woman, too. Wouldn't be surprised if consoomer females are dead eggers nursing something inappropriate to substitute for no baby.

Edit: Nursing dead and inanimate objects is seen in nature when female animals of certain species lose their offspring.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Why do you think alot of lolcows, particularly male, lolcows (like the tranch) like to brag about their extensive firearm collection? I own one rifle and one pistol because it's all I need- and I pawned the one rifle I owned to get a wedding ring. That didn't work out- so I got a refund and used the extra cash to turn my KiwiCoin into Silver Vampire Repellant Mr. T bling.

I would compare it to the large numbers of men who leave the military and then troon out. What previously gave their life meaning and a greater sense of belonging and purpose has been effectively stripped from them, so they replace it with a new in-group that provides all these things.

Alternatively, a lot of the people who turn to drugs or booze are just trying to numb the sense of hopelessness and lack of purpose that comes with believing you are alone in the universe and will die and be forgotten.

Prolly get different reasons depending on whether it's a man/woman, too. Wouldn't be surprised if consoomer females are dead eggers nursing something inappropriate to substitute for no baby.

Edit: Nursing dead and inanimate objects is seen in nature when female animals of certain species lose their offspring.

Would you argue then that this proves that there is an absence of "something," since its absence is having an observable effect?

 

[contradiction of terns]

Would you argue then that this proves that there is an absence of "something," since its absence is having an observable effect?

Yes. Like measuring a black hole; observable due to its effect on its surroundings.

TBH, I would be down for a debate on what the 'something' is, but I think it's probably a long laundry list of things that vary depending on the person 'missing' the 'thing.'

Most hoarders have lost a loved one, child, or had extremely traumatic childhoods and I think it's instructive to consider when discussing shopping addiction/extreme consoomerism/etc.

Edit: Basically, it's using physical objects to satisfy the desire for something intangible or unachievable.

The main difference between materialism and consumerism is that materialism is one's preoccupation with material possessions and physical comfort, while consumerism is a theory that states increasing consumption of goods is economically desirable. Materialism and consumerism are two closely related terms.

They're different things, but only because one's an economic theory and the other is a nice way of saying that consooming makes you coom.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Yes. Like measuring a black hole; observable due to its effect on its surroundings.

TBH, I would be down for a debate on what the 'something' is, but I think it's probably a long laundry list of things that vary depending on the person 'missing' the 'thing.'

Most hoarders have lost a loved one, child, or had extremely traumatic childhoods and I think it's instructive to consider when discussing shopping addiction/extreme consoomerism/etc.

Edit: Basically, it's using physical objects to satisfy the desire for something intangible or unachievable.



They're different things, but only because one's an economic theory and the other is a nice way of saying that consooming makes you coom.

Are they not both dependant on the individual prioritizing wealth though?

 

[contradiction of terns]

Are they not both dependant on the individual prioritizing wealth though?

I will respectfully argue 'not necessarily', since if you look at hoarders (Tommy Tooter comes to mind, but surely there are more cows like this) lots of them don't care if they make a lot of money, because they are happy to fill the void with absolute garbage. There's actually some good books on Dumpster Diving (of all things!) that provide an insight into this. Discussed one once in college English.

People who are willing to take any junk they can get their hands on are often just doing it for that rush you get having successfully hunted and gathered.

So, TL;DR answer would be 'it's situational.'

May I suggest that consumerism leads to materialism on greater levels than would naturally occur?

 

[mr.moon1488]

I will respectfully argue 'not necessarily', since if you look at hoarders (Tommy Tooter comes to mind, but surely there are more cows like this) lots of them don't care if they make a lot of money, because they are happy to fill the void with absolute garbage. There's actually some good books on Dumpster Diving (of all things!) that provide an insight into this. Discussed one once in college English.

People who are willing to take any junk they can get their hands on are often just doing it for that rush you get having successfully hunted and gathered.

So, TL;DR answer would be 'it's situational.'

May I suggest that consumerism leads to materialism on greater levels than would naturally occur?

But are they still not filling the void with something material?

 

[contradiction of terns]

But are they still not filling the void with something material?

Yuh. In a consumerist economy (or a place trying to create one) the ideal norm would be a materialistic populous. This is like saying that in the Catholic religion it would be a good idea to cultivate praying studiously and often.

I feel like I'm not in on some joke. Did I miss something?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Yuh. In a consumerist economy (or a place trying to create one) the ideal norm would be a materialistic populous. This is like saying that in the Catholic religion it would be a good idea to cultivate praying studiously and often.

I feel like I'm not in on some joke. Did I miss something?

Whos ideal norm is this?

 

[contradiction of terns]

Whos ideal norm is this?

It's the ideal norm of whomever is trying to implement the consumerist economy. Is... is this a super long-form joke with 'the Jews' as the punchline?

 

[mr.moon1488]

It's the ideal norm of whomever is trying to implement the consumerist economy. Is... is this a super long-form joke with 'the Jews' as the punchline?

Is it? Isn't who benefits from such a scenario a reasonable thing to inquire upon?

 

[contradiction of terns]

Is it? Isn't who benefits from such a scenario a reasonable thing to inquire upon?

I mean, 'follow the money' is a good rule of thumb. If Zuck's Asian wife is anything to go off of, they'll let anyone into that club these days.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I mean, 'follow the money' is a good rule of thumb. If Zuck's Asian wife is anything to go off of, they'll let anyone into that club these days.

Why can so many questions be answered by simply "following the money?"

 

[contradiction of terns]

Why can so many questions be answered by simply "following the money?"

Because people are inherently materialistic, and yes, this time the ONLY answer is materialism. It's strictly about wanting money to be comfortable/do whatever you want; ie, good 'ol fashioned greed.

You could say it's a closed cycle, I guess. Greedy people create a system that runs on the natural urges of humans to be greedy.

Edit: I tap out. lol. This was fun tho.