Is there any point in "self-improvement"?

[Cupronickel]

I recently found this greentext again:

and it got me thinking: are some people just too far gone to self improve to the point where they can live a relatively normal life? I mean, some people are fucking hideous to the point where hygiene and changing style won't fix anything, some people are so dumb that doing "brain exercises" and shit like that are useless, etc. Do you think it's really possible for any person (who doesn't have a severe disability) to turn shit around? I'd like to believe it's true, but my gut tells me otherwise.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

If you're doing it to get women, you're missing the point. Self improvement is for you to live a better, happier, healthier life. If you do a good job of it, it may have positive effects on the people around you. Women may respond to that, or they may not. (For what it's worth, it hasn't worked for me in THAT department.) But if that's the reason you're doing it, that's not self improvement, that's just trying to pick up chicks. Which isn't necessarily WRONG, but it's important to know the difference.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

If you're doing it to get women, you're missing the point. Self improvement is for you to live a better, happier, healthier life. If you do a good job of it, it may have positive effects on the people around you. Women may respond to that, or they may not. (For what it's worth, it hasn't worked for me in THAT department.) But if that's the reason you're doing it, that's not self improvement, that's just trying to pick up chicks. Which isn't necessarily WRONG, but it's important to know the difference.

Basically this. Do what's best for you and the other people in your life not because it has good results, but because it's the right thing to do. Many people can't seperate the two ideas from each other which is one of the main causes of unhappiness in the world at large and in the personal lives of most people. Sometimes (I'd say very often), good things are hard to do but they are worth doing because they build you, your loved ones and the world up in the process.

 

[Ita Mori]

If you're doing it to get women, you're missing the point.

Or you're 18 and are right on-point given your age and interests. I can't knock a 16yo that's tired of being the ugly chick in her group so she acquires a membership and gets herself an ass and thighs.
Doing it at 35+, yeah, that ship sailed and you need to be less shallow about your personal goals.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

Yes, it's better to take care of yourself than wallowing in your misery. But stay away from cringy gurus like David Goggins, Jocko, or even Peterson. They all make it a bigger deal than it is.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Self improvement is a good thing. Being able to catch a sharp piece of metal flying towards your eyes is a really nice side effect of training your hand-eye coordination.

For context, me and the boys were hammering something into place and it gave out on us.

My point being, improving your physical traits will always be a good investment, relationships be damned. Because you never know when or how being in shape will help you later.

 

[Chilson]

Self improvement is something everyone has to do at some point in their lives. The same exercises and activities that keep a 20 year old healthy won't work that well for a 50 year old and active thought needs to be put in to change your routine to live healthier.

If your doing it to get laid, then yeah your probably not going to succeed because that is far more mental than it is physical. Don't get me wrong, if your 350+ pounds its a good idea to get in some shape before hitting the dating market, but even then dating is almost all attitude and mental strength. Those 350+ lardwhales can and do get pussy sometimes because they are willing to put themselves out there in the first place.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I mean, some people are fucking hideous to the point where hygiene and changing style won't fix anything, some people are so dumb that doing "brain exercises" and shit like that are useless, etc. Do you think it's really possible for any person (who doesn't have a severe disability) to turn shit around? I'd like to believe it's true, but my gut tells me otherwise.

Your question is contradictory. The only people who are so retarded/ugly they literally have no way to turn their life around are those who do have severe disabilities, and even then there are plenty of people with severe disabilities who do well in life.

That greentext is also incredibly gay and you shouldn't have spent more than two seconds thinking about it. The very first bit "no high schooler has had to self improve to get a gf". Nigger something like 1/4 adult men are virgins now. We live in a broken fucked up society that produces broken fucked up people, so many otherwise normal people have to "self improve" just to reach a basic healthy lifestyle.

 

[Just A Butt]

if you don't think there is a point it is probably too late for you

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

For people like you, sure. For most people on the other hand? That's a little more debatable

 

[Osmosis Jones]

The screenshot in the OP seems to pertain almost exclusively to incels trying to self-improve in order to fit in and achieve wahmin. Self-improvement is never bad or useless unless you're doing it for someone other than yourself.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

For you? No.

 

[Idiotron]

"no high schooler ever had to "self improve" to get a girlfriend"

LOL wat?
Who is this retard?

 

[Kermit Jizz]

LOL wat?
Who is this retard?

It's a /fit/ copypasta, so that should tell you everything.

The screenshot in the OP seems to pertain almost exclusively to incels trying to self-improve in order to fit in and achieve wahmin. Self-improvement is never bad or useless unless you're doing it for someone other than yourself.

Even then, that's not the worst thing. Most incels just need to lose weight and improve their self esteem and they'd get touch a true&honest stink ditch.

 

[MadDisaster]

The point of self improvement is about making your own life better and more fulfilling. For you. Generally, most people feel better when they're clean, in clean clothes, somewhat fit, and generally taking care of themselves. Learning new skills or hobbies also tend to make people feel happier and better about themselves. Being able to converse with people and not have them desperately trying to escape also tends to improve one's life.

I mean, if you want to live your life wallowing in filth, squalor, and self-pity just because improvement might not get you laid, no one is going to stop you. But making an effort to actually have a decent life usually has benefits beyond just tricking someone into fucking you.

 

[PaleTay]

I do believe that there's an environmental component more than genetic. For example a university student with a shitty home life will have missed out on a lot.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

My cheeks are damp and my balls are dry. What do?

 

[Wintersun]

The point of self improvement is about making your own life better and more fulfilling. For you. Generally, most people feel better when they're clean, in clean clothes, somewhat fit, and generally taking care of themselves. Learning new skills or hobbies also tend to make people feel happier and better about themselves. Being able to converse with people and not have them desperately trying to escape also tends to improve one's life.

I mean, if you want to live your life wallowing in filth, squalor, and self-pity just because improvement might not get you laid, no one is going to stop you. But making an effort to actually have a decent life usually has benefits beyond just tricking someone into fucking you.

To add to this, it's not just trying to get from zero to one-hundred. Sometimes people have shitty, sedentary jobs with bullshit hours and gain a lot of weight, or don't pay attention to it now that they aren't in highschool anymore, and haven't been for years. Some people get into accidents and lose their nerve on things like driving, some people lose their wives or kids, go through a divorce, lose family, what have you.

Self-improvement isn't just about getting from zero to one-hundred, sometimes is about being able to make yourself get up in the morning, go to work, carve out that depression chunk by chunk until you're back to being as strong as you were before.

And as always, nobody is born a master. Even the most naturally talented people you can think of still need to train and hone their skills to be great. There's always a need to improve in your life, whether it's small, big, gradual or quick, as long as you're moving forward you're not doing it wrong.

 

[Blue Screen of Death]

You're automatically failing if you're doing it for other people. The point is in the name: SELF-improvement.
Making progress for yourself is inherently rewarding, at least for me. When I make a step in the right direction it just makes everything a bit better all around.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

You're automatically failing if you're doing it for other people. The point is in the name: SELF-improvement.
Making progress for yourself is inherently rewarding, at least for me. When I make a step in the right direction it just makes everything a bit better all around.

I don't think doing it for other's can be a bad thing as long as the reason is noble and justified, getting fit and culturing yourself so you can give back to the community is a perfectly fine reason in my eyes to want to self-improve.