Is Universal Basic Income (UBI) really the solution to the AI Apocalypse? - Pay people to exist?

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The solution to the AI reckoning is.....

  • UBI

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • Laissez Faire

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • something else

    Votes: 7 7.2%
  • There is not going to be an AI reckoning

    Votes: 43 44.3%
  • Nothing will work

    Votes: 26 26.8%
  • other

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Total voters
    97

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With AI becoming more and more advanced and threatening to take people's jerbs. It seems every talking head, leftleaning politician, and Reddit commentator has glommed on to UBI as the be all end all centerpiece of any attempt to mitigate whatever upheaval there may be. There has been some minor pushback in the right but not as much as you might expect and the right has yet to elaborate any well defined alternative to UBI other than to let things go on and see what happens. What do you think? Do you think UBI is a real solution to the AI Apocalypse however it may turn out? Or do you think there is a better way?
 
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UBI will just cause prices to rise on things by whatever that amount is. End result is working people pay more, and people on UBI still can't afford shit.

And that's before you even get into the questions of "who will pay for all this "free" money?" If people know they can get money for doing nothing, even fewer are going to work. Less people working means less taxes means less "free" money to give out.

UBI is a commie faggot pipe-dream.
 
UBI will work, yeah. The real preparation for the robot slave caste is the self-deletion via LGBT and abortion that will whiddle human master caste down to a sustainable proportion to the slaves.
 
UBI will be introduced, but only to "carrot and stick" the plebs into the Semite State's own CBDC ponzi system. As the dollar dies and the globo-bankers move towards a new currency shitstem, they will use digital UBI tokens to get the plebic and nigger hoards in. It will become the new "standard" and is already ready to be tyrannically forced on the EU. The B.R.I.C.S. nations are also working on their own, and baitcoin and other surveillance tokens in America have normalized crypto crap stateside. This normalization, especially through online shills and faggots stating that "1s and 0s are as good as Gold" - have paved the way for UBI through CBDCs.

Zion Donald himself legislated the creation of the control grid for this coming CBDC ponzi via "Stargate" in January. His unelected tech oligarchs are busy working on it right now. "AI" (human-coded machine learning) is in a bubble just like the .coms were in the late 90s, and that bubble will inevitably pop. The true "upheaval" is coming in economics, and total control over the goyim's activities in it. UBI will be what helps force total CBDC adoption, because the unquestioning cattle will gladly sell their freedom for monthly gibs - as always.
 
UBI will be introduced, but only to "carrot and stick" the plebs into the Semite State's own CBDC ponzi system. As the dollar dies and the globo-bankers move towards a new currency shitstem, they will use digital UBI tokens to get the plebic and nigger hoards in. It will become the new "standard" and is already ready to be tyrannically forced on the EU. The B.R.I.C.S. nations are also working on their own, and baitcoin and other surveillance tokens in America have normalized crypto crap stateside. This normalization, especially through online shills and faggots stating that "1s and 0s are as good as Gold" - have paved the way for UBI through CBDCs.

Zion Donald himself legislated the creation of the control grid for this coming CBDC ponzi via "Stargate" in January. His unelected tech oligarchs are busy working on it right now. "AI" (human-coded machine learning) is in a bubble just like the .coms were in the late 90s, and that bubble will inevitably pop. The true "upheaval" is coming in economics, and total control over the goyim's activities in it. UBI will be what helps force total CBDC adoption, because the unquestioning cattle will gladly sell their freedom for monthly gibs - as always.
You might be wondering, if they are giving you UBI, how is the money being generated? From you:
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im not a master economist by any measure, but if I own a store and suddenly the entire population is getting free money every month, i'm raising my prices to cash in on their newfound disposable income and so is everyone else. so what's the fucking point? sounds like hebrew financial witchcraft and I want no part in it. also ai is a massive bubble.
 
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Honestly, I wish we could just jettison the concept of money entirely. Meaningless pieces of paper shouldn't determine your worth in this world. Your life means so much more than the amount of zeroes in your bank account.
 
People don't understand that the point of money is as a unit of measurement equating to an abstract notion of value in one of a few axes, sometimes overlapping. Forgive me if I forget some but we're talking about rarity, effort, time, and in some cases sentimentality though it's often a measure of the other three. The point is that you can abstract the values of a few chickens as opposed to a cow through a third metric so you can know how many chickens it takes to equal a cow, if you were to sell the chickens for that unit of information in order to 'save' to buy a cow.

I explain all this to help explain not just why money was invented in the first place but also why money as 'UBI' doesn't work. 'Paying people to live' is like saying you're going to add extra corners to a sphere. It's nonsensical. What you're doing is, in a system that isn't just based on fake value (fiat), either admitting that your currency works on a Monopoly Funbucks system of 'we just accept it's worth x' or you're admitting you don't understand how value and currency work. As @The Connected Nose astutely pointed out this will merely raise the price of goods to meet the baseline 'credit dispensation' given to those under such a program and in the process fuck everyone else over.

So on the UBI half it's illogical in the extreme.

But this all assumes that an AI apocalypse is incoming and it isn't. Not in the way people who feel inherently threatened think it is, anyhow.

The fact of the matter is everyone who wasn't some form of manual laborer skilled or otherwise had this idiotic wet dream that AI when and if it hit would replace people who were manual laborers first. It's become abundantly clear that - as should've been obvious all along - it will inevitably begin 'replacing' people who work in informatic areas of life. As in, areas that have to do with information, from art to music, from movie-making to codebase engineering, from managerial duties such as scheduling to eventually, yes, politics. The real reason for the panic is that it's started I assume to hit the political and financial classes that they too will inevitably be out-moded by a superior means of managing these affairs.

But that doesn't mean everyone involved in these sectors disappears overnight nor does it mean that their jobs are 'replaced', merely changed, along with everyone else's. AI isn't some techno-deity any more than it is just some upjumped furby given sleek marketing. As much as the latter might've been the case until recently it's making strides enough to make it apparent that it can and indeed will do some jobs increasingly more accurately, efficiently, and cheaply than human laborers will. The flipside is that by the way AI tends to work, if in any situation where it is depended upon for iterations over time checked against previous iterations - such as scheduling or management - it'll have to have overseers that will take checks of its output manually in a way that isn't confined to a rigid viewpoint.

This is not too different than having a human rider on a horse. In a weird way.

What you'll see is that people will eventually, when the mistakes pile up and this becomes the obvious state of affairs, become hired en masse probably as effectively clipboard-comparison units. Where you stand there looking at a robot doing a thing all day and if it performs iteration 1,001 of a planned 10,000 iterations slightly differently, you (the guy with the clipboard) will presumably have some 'stop button' that you hit to reset the thing to its state in iteration 998, and then a 'send report button' where it scans what was going on in the AI at that point in time and sends it to people who then act as the 'AI management team' who try to find out what the hell caused your McBot to act differently.

Jobs in the future will simply be more boring and less intensive, and ironically much more friendly to people who are unmotivated and/or low IQ across all domains. This will be life at the bottom rung for most people, just standing there in some way shape or form as an autonomous human 'bug report scanner' to report bugs to people who used to program as a job but now do debugging as a job.

Similarly creatives will go from mostly actively creating to having AI generate stuff then editing it.

Similarly politics will go from people actively drafting policy to having AI draft bills and such and editing it.

And militaries will become the same thing. Human oversight, AI labor, humans acting as weird autonomous debug nodes in a greater autonomous system.

If it's any kind of apocalypse it's only one because everyone essentially becomes the bored security guard waiting for his shift to end at the quiet grocery store. Most people will just have incredibly boring jobs. Repeat this structure for everything from fast food to entertainment to politics to art to videogame development to fucking driving.
 
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""Is socialism answer for X?" The answer is always big astounding NO. It just like every single other socialist policy will end up causing even greater degeneration of society.
Only without a firm hand that ensures everyone contributes.

And a firmer hand that dispenses justice. I have no issues sentencing parasites to 10 years in a corrective labor camp without the right of correspondence.
 
UBI is not coming. What is coming is the 'death' of useless or problematic groups of people.

You can see this already with MAID, trannies, the encouragement of gang violence, and abortion.

Who commits suicide the most often? Depressed, dissatisfied people that could eventually become problems to the state.

Trannies - a group that has an extremely high suicide rate while also affecting the most autistic and intelligent demographic of men, basically infects people who would otherwise be healthy to society/culture while ensuring their eventual death.

Gang violence encouragement - Why are rappers who make music about rape, murder, and dealing drugs still maintaining popularity despite their music sucking ASS? especially in the past 15 years. The answer is to encourage the black (and wigger) male demographic to kill each other. You get rid of the low IQ morons that can't do anything without government assistance or potentially become foot soldiers for a rebel group. They also allow anarcho-tyranny, by constantly glamorizing the gangster lifestyle without mentioning the repercussions of prison or death.

Abortion - the groups that perform abortions the most are blacks and the poor. Richer and more intelligent couples are far less likely to have abortions than the lower castes of society.

In my honest opinion, I see some people try to say AI will replace everyone on one hand, and on the other it will be a tool to assist humans with their work - AI can only be used by people. It has no other use. So as far as AI goes, I don't think things will change much for most people except for white collar jobs.

It will be interesting to see what happens with women being less likely to go to work and the repatriation of immigrants with the cessation of illegal immigration. For the first time wages may actually rise, at least for young-middle aged men.
 
depends, if it causes 90% of jobs to be obsolete then yes but it would be unlikely and in the other 10% of jobs that it doesn't replace just become a new ruling class and that ruling class is likely to just make the world even more shit,also AI will eventually be regulated regardless of the techbro lobby, it has to.
 
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