Orbiter Kat Speculation - With guest appearances by her sister, Jenna

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Guess Kat's weight.

  • >200 lbs.

    Votes: 22 3.5%
  • 200 lbs.-250 lbs.

    Votes: 125 20.0%
  • 250 lbs.- 300 lbs.

    Votes: 110 17.6%
  • Damn that's a huge bitch.

    Votes: 369 58.9%

  • Total voters
    626
Leanna did really love Phil, and for quite a few years in the peak of her prime. Watch some of the videos around the time they moved to Washington, once they finally "officially" became a couple, I think she would have done anything for that fat ugly Polack. They did have the abrasive, narcissistic personalities for each other.

I hope Phil regrets every day that he didn't marry Leanna and lock her down, because she was very likely willing to for quite some time.
 
I hope Phil regrets every day that he didn't marry Leanna and lock her down, because she was very likely willing to for quite some time.
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That's why I've thought for awhile that Phil's weirdness with Katherine is partially from him not liking her around as much as he liked having Leanna. The dryness of his claims about having a real life with Katherine tell me that half the problem is his lack of motivation to sell said claims, based on not liking her enough to really put forth an effort.

Also explains why he doesn't have any trouble holding back rage over the trolls driving her away, because you would expect that to pour out of him on a regular basis if he held as much affinity for Katherine as he did Leanna. As it is, Phil clearly only cares enough to feel motivated to lazily lie on stream, far more to himself than to his audience, about what they spend their time doing.
 
That's why I've thought for awhile that Phil's weirdness with Katherine is partially from him not liking her around as much as he liked having Leanna. The dryness of his claims about having a real life with Katherine tell me that half the problem is his lack of motivation to sell said claims, based on not liking her enough to really put forth an effort.
the video that embodies that sentiment is this one.
there's just no enthusiasm Phil has for his wife. people lose enthusiasm for their spouses eventually, but usually not this ealy into the marriage.
 
the video that embodies that sentiment is this one.
there's just no enthusiasm Phil has for his wife. people lose enthusiasm for their spouses eventually, but usually not this ealy into the marriage.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DanaWYLmBSg
It says a lot, the fact that Phil's infamous claim about Kat having a swimsuit body came from him being prompted by the insinuation that he didn't already have a hot wife. I actually assumed the context was Phil saying that shit of his own volition to spite Leanna, but instead it turns out Phil was just reacting to a comment that triggered his childish insecurity. And wasn't even meant to, either. Much like with the co-op thing, his retards don't know the real reason behind his decisions, and constantly walk right into moments like that. It's no wonder he's so paranoid, his audience is dumb enough to unintentionally troll him and he's dumb enough to not recognize the difference.
 
Or he just used some of OIC's tips to purchase a huge strap-on.

Anyways, the recent talk of Leanna being interviewed, whether she was paid off to remain silent etc, made me want to compare a couch video with Leanna and Phil to a couch video with Kat and Phil.

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For majority of the Leanna video she's all over Phil, her tits are almost out (she even almost flashes her crotch several times getting up and down). It's blatantly obvious she liked Phil a lot and brings a lot of energy. Meanwhile, in the one with Kat, she's frowning almost the whole time, glaring at chat, leaning away from Phil, looking miserable. In the other Kat stream she's so tense she explodes Phil's stressball. 😬
Couldn't agree more, Leanna for all her faults was an extremely energetic person and she obviously had a positive influence on Phil's overall mood.

to borrow a quote from Roald Dahl

“If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.

A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.”
 
That's why I've thought for awhile that Phil's weirdness with Katherine is partially from him not liking her around as much as he liked having Leanna.
He must REALLY not like Kat then, because he showed open contempt for Leanna on a consistent basis.
 
He must REALLY not like Kat then, because he showed open contempt for Leanna on a consistent basis.
Well, in the context of Phil, "like" doesn't mean what it normally does, because deep down, he doesn't truly like anybody but himself. That's why he treats everyone poorly, regardless of him enjoying having somebody around versus someone else. His streams and his relationships were far more lively when he lived in CT with Leanna and had Rambo and Howard to do stuff with. I don't doubt that he wishes he could still have that, albeit without the downside of needing to grow up in order to keep it.

In Leanna, Phil thought he had found somebody who would be a child with him forever, and then he thought Katherine would be as well, only for her to get as close to pulling a Leanna without going all the way to moving out and moving on. Which is worse for him, because she's so close, yet so far. I think the only reason it doesn't pour out of him on a regular basis is because it actually does, we just don't know it because he channels that anger into the moments where he says stuff like "No really, fuck you!" after they innocently suggest something he would be doing already if he wasn't Phil. And/or puts it into his shitty tweets while he's sitting on his couch late at night with a drink in one hand and his phone in the other.
 
I think the only reason it doesn't pour out of him on a regular basis is because it actually does, we just don't know it because he channels that anger into the moments where he says stuff like "No really, fuck you!" after they innocently suggest something he would be doing already if he wasn't Phil. And/or puts it into his shitty tweets while he's sitting on his couch late at night with a drink in one hand and his phone in the other.
remember when we saw phils bills and it turns out he spends like 300 on alcohol a month or something like that.
if phil did drunk streams, imagine the shit he would say?
we've assumed he was drunk on gin before, but im not sure about that.
Phil accidentally drops N bombs and shows regular contenmpt for those around him while sober, more or less.
imagine what he would say or do if he were plastered?
though if he got drunk on stream, he'd likely turn into OnlyUseMeBlade
 
Phil accidentally drops N bombs and shows regular contenmpt for those around him while sober, more or less.
imagine what he would say or do if he were plastered?
This is exactly why he doesn't do drunk streams anymore. More than anything, he fears the eruption of that hard R he's always biting back.
 
There's some bullshit below here.

I'm paraphrasing Tevin paraphrasing someone in chat, but Phil treats Kat the way Panda treated him for most of the relationship. Showering them with attention while barely getting a response. Phil sometimes gave her a little back and forth, but to me, it always felt more like a parent and child. No surprise there.
I don't think he really liked Panda, he just needed an interchangeable female caregiver; mommy, gf, wife, sister, teacher, fuck it. I have reservations about talking about their relationship like this, but on camera, non-scripted interactions say a lot, that's when you'd want to look perfect, maybe they were doing some super-turbo-ultra-arcade edition meta acting that went too far.
Her affection for him? She mentioned having a boyfriend before Phil but obviously she that didn't help her develop taste in partners. She wasn't just stupid and annoying, she was a stupid, annoying teen for a good part of the relationship and never had a reason to mature out of that until she had to get a job, around the same time they broke up. Go figure. She was naive and dumb and Phil seemed cool because he was "mature" but had childish qualities that made him relatable or something like that. The open wallet was a big plus for the jobless, GEDless lady.

The interactions with Kat, as limited as they are, don't have that same parent-child vibe and we've seen nor heard something that means anything. That said, they resemble people with no chemistry going on a date. Even the courtesy laughs were low energy, their eye contact was limited, the kiss on the cheek was denied at first then he kind pressured her into it, which is kinda scummy since they were on stream and she still had that new car smell to viewers. The Halloween stream looked like a fucking composite of two different videos at some points. No interaction and Kat barely looking away from the laptop, eyes never even wandering to the dude yapping away next to her.

Kat and Panda both broadcasted themselves, and it's for that why I doubt Kat leaving the stream and never being seen again isn't due to trolling, she might've mentioned it, but she was going out anyway, who the fuck did she know in the whole state that she can just call up and hang out with out of nowhere? Maybe Phil lied and she was just playing Skyrim in her office. Speaking of Phil lying, there's no way he hasn't played a part in her not being on stream again.
Phil talks of essentially warning sponsors about working with him because of the trolls, he warns tippers about trolls, he brings up that he would mention trolls in future job interviews. He libeled that journalist, made shit up about Rambo and manipulated Howard. There's no fucking way he doesn't try to psych Kat out of getting on camera again. It can't mean that much to her because she didn't get that honeymoon phase of full Phil support like Leanna did, it just means more time to do other stuff and not having a bunch of dudes saying she got blacked or whatever. It benefits Phil, too.

Nothing has to be true at all in DSPLand, it's all relative to how much he's said and how you want to read between the lines.

On a somewhat separate note, how do you think Phil feels about Panda?

I don't think he is as averse to her as he lets on. He talks about how she "did some fucked up stuff" to him, but cheating seems too obvious and maybe even too normal. At worst, they probably had a really bad argument and she hurt his pride, That sticks to him more than anything when you consider how mad he still gets about people that were snarky towards him nearly 15 years ago.
He treats her like Voldemort because that's how he thinks he should on the basis of her being his ex. His conception of friendships and relationships is twisted.
Rambo and Howard did things to "publicly hurt him" and he gave them extended discussions, Panda never gets mentioned by any name, if at all, despite moving on very quietly.
 
Khet/Panda Speculation
In no particular order, I think Phil still has feelings for Leanna, if for no other reason than he was, for a long time, comfortable with her presence and doesn't like change. Leanna also did stuff around the house and cooked him non-potato based food. But Phil also holds grudges, and hates to admit he messed up, which is why he memory holed Leanna. Unlike with Rambo/Howard, he can't really spin it with Leanna without straight up lying. And while Phil normally has no problem lying, I don't think he can think of a reasonable lie that also makes him look good. If he says Leanna was cheating, he looks bad for letting it happen/not finding out about it. Plus, I think he knows there's the possibility one of his paypigs would try to troll Leanna about it prompting Leanna to counter his claims. He learned that after trying to lie about Rambo, insisting that was about Rambo being overly greedy.

I pretty strongly disagree with the belief that Phil treats Khet like Leanna treated him. Leanna legitimately seemed to care about Phil and for whatever reason, wanted his attention. Phil will talk up Khet, sure, but that's more Phil bragging, since if he has such an amazing wife, it must mean it's because he's an equally amazing husband. He also wants to give the impression of a happy relationship to own the trolls or whatever. But other than that, it doesn't seem like he particularly cares about Khet. Her recent birthday is probably the best example of that I can give, where he made it all about himself by going to get fast food and then complaining nonstop about the infamous chicken sandwich. Maybe there's a world where they actually spend time off stream together and he gives her attention, but it's more likely they, at most, sit in the same room together while playing mobile games, sometimes with a YouTuber in the background. Based on some of Phil's recent day off talks, it seems likely Khet isn't waddling out of the gout fortress with him, while he and Leanna at least walked around the mall together.

I don't think Phil hates her or anything, he's probably indifferent. I think he's a little frustrated she doesn't do the same stuff Leanna does, but he still thinks of it as a win since he gets to pretend he has a trophy wife.
 
Or he just used some of OIC's tips to purchase a huge strap-on.

Anyways, the recent talk of Leanna being interviewed, whether she was paid off to remain silent etc, made me want to compare a couch video with Leanna and Phil to a couch video with Kat and Phil.

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For majority of the Leanna video she's all over Phil, her tits are almost out (she even almost flashes her crotch several times getting up and down). It's blatantly obvious she liked Phil a lot and brings a lot of energy. Meanwhile, in the one with Kat, she's frowning almost the whole time, glaring at chat, leaning away from Phil, looking miserable. In the other Kat stream she's so tense she explodes Phil's stressball. 😬
That is an interesting side by side, and you didn't even go full bore as you could have used the "hostage video" as the Khet example.
Oh hey Leanna, what are you doing on the bed? Huhuhuhuh, anyway, moving on, here is the little hotel minifridge. Look at this, these IDIOTS put little bags of pretzels in there.
That will always be one of my favorite DSP clips, and it was not an isolated incident just one of the more blatant ones. I think Leanna did love Phil, but keep in mind she was a barely turned 18 girl. And I don't know how you guys were but when I was that age I made a bunch of decisions that was fucking stupid and I wish I hadn't.

If you watch some of the old Vlogs with Phil and Panda you will see her flirting a lot, and not in a particular subtle way. Or doing the usual girlfriend thing, fishing for small compliments and it just sails right over Phils head.

I agree that their grating personaleties was a match made in heaven for sure, and as much as Phil doesn't really give a shit about other people I'm sure he enjoyed hanging around Leanna a hell of a lot more than Khet.

It is actually kinda sad to watch, Phil has no idea how to react around her and will just ignore her and even just start talking over her with his inane droning on about shit nobody cares about.

On the best of days Phil has never been good at interacting with other people, but Leanna leaving did something to him. I don't think he ever really loved her but he taking off hit his massive and fragile ego in some profound way, and I fully believe it still bothers him and has some influence on how he acts these days.
 
There's no fucking way he doesn't try to psych Kat out of getting on camera again. It can't mean that much to her because she didn't get that honeymoon phase of full Phil support like Leanna did, it just means more time to do other stuff and not having a bunch of dudes saying she got blacked or whatever. It benefits Phil, too.

Nothing has to be true at all in DSPLand, it's all relative to how much he's said and how you want to read between the lines.
I don't think so. Phil may settle for how things look with her utter absence in his life, but it's from not having a choice in the matter. He's like that with everything that isn't to his liking, but would require more than he can or wants to do, to improve it. His tips, for example, would be bigger if he embraced being a joke, and he'll never do it because it would hurt too much for any amount of money to soothe his wounds.

Make no mistake, we would see Phil light up like Clark Griswold's house on Christmas if Katherine ever decided to return to the streams, or at least stop going out of her way to appear like she doesn't live there. Because she very much does, we would have way more evidence if she wasn't trying so hard to avoid Phil. The huge difference between things before her infamous last appearance and every day following it, speaks volumes.

Which, BTW, also proves that Phil didn't say jack shit to her about trolls, because they figured out her past when he was ignorant of it, and Katherine was clearly unprepared. Next thing everyone knows, she's a ghost. No fucking way that's a coincidence.
On a somewhat separate note, how do you think Phil feels about Panda?
Rambo and Howard did things to "publicly hurt him" and he gave them extended discussions, Panda never gets mentioned by any name, if at all, despite moving on very quietly.
Like Cyber Bowling said, Leanna's in a position to do a lot of damage to him if he provokes her, way more than Rambo and Howard were able to the last time they addressed their past dealings with Phil. Not to mention, when it comes to Phil and his pain, it's the kind that he REFUSES to name that's the real deal. Those moments where he's clearly mad about something, and you can tell what it probably is because of her body language, but he uses different words? Like when he got taunted about being kicked out of yet another Champions guild, and he said "I don't know what you're talking about", but everything else about him in that moment said "Fuck you for pointing that out you stinky-ass motherfucker"?

Yeah, that's his anguish over stuff like losing Leanna, that he does not ever want to be transparent about. He's open about his hurt over Rambo and Howard because it's not as intense, and he's dumb enough to hold out hope that one day they'll feed into his apology fetish like the retards often do, but not emotional enough about it to feel very much over it not happening. Phil doesn't even want to think about Leanna because that loss, not just her leaving but humiliating him with her reveals, is like a third degree burn on his ego.

Remember when people noticed a scratch on his forehead and then he put on a beanie for no other reason that to cover it up? Without ever addressing it, when he's the same guy who loves to regale everyone with tales of his epic adventures out in public where he got irritated by something? I guarantee you that the story behind that scratch is way more entertaining than the time he supposedly had to drive around for twenty minutes to find a parking space so he could drop Katherine off at work. And way more offensive to his pride, so he'll never reveal it. Ever.
Her recent birthday is probably the best example of that I can give, where he made it all about himself by going to get fast food and then complaining nonstop about the infamous chicken sandwich.
Wait, that was on Katherine's birthday?

See this is the kind of thing we would get more of from Phil if he had more of a spine or was even dumber, because that makes him look so fucking awful, and he has no idea, so he admits it anyway. Imagine if he failed to anticipate the embarrassment of confessing to so many other things, like not noticing Leanna's obvious advances, or playing a lot of Champions after she left him...
And I don't know how you guys were but when I was that age I made a bunch of decisions that was fucking stupid and I wish I hadn't.
The reason Phil gets so much more shit for stuff like that than we would ever give ourselves or each other is because we know so much more about Phil, we have all the context that's necessary to understanding the fact that he didn't pick up on those signs because that's how fucking stupid he permanently is.

I wasn't brilliant with members of the opposite sex as a young lad either, nor would I call myself James Bond today, but they also didn't do stuff that Leanna did. They were so subtle that it was easy for just about any young man to be unsure of what was going on. Most of the time, and then when it got more obvious, it was difficult to believe, so I let it pass by. But I still noticed. We know that's not what Phil does, with a LOT of things that go over his head. And more importantly, he hasn't learned a damn thing. He hasn't grown up at all. Phil and Kat have never seen each other naked and he has no idea that that's not normal. Even after being made fun of for it, because the only thing he reacts to in those moments are the slights to his ego, not the reasoning behind them. We know this because he keeps playing Champions even though he knows he would be ridiculed if he ever admitted to his waste of a hundred thousand fucking dollars on it. His brain comprehends the resulting insults as negative stimuli, nothing beyond that.

Same goes for being fed copium by an outside source, his brain just enjoys the soothing and absorbs nothing else.
 
I don't think he really liked Panda, he just needed an interchangeable female caregiver; mommy, gf, wife, sister, teacher, fuck it. I have reservations about talking about their relationship like this, but on camera, non-scripted interactions say a lot, that's when you'd want to look perfect, maybe they were doing some super-turbo-ultra-arcade edition meta acting that went too far.
Her affection for him? She mentioned having a boyfriend before Phil but obviously she that didn't help her develop taste in partners. She wasn't just stupid and annoying, she was a stupid, annoying teen for a good part of the relationship and never had a reason to mature out of that until she had to get a job, around the same time they broke up. Go figure. She was naive and dumb and Phil seemed cool because he was "mature" but had childish qualities that made him relatable or something like that. The open wallet was a big plus for the jobless, GEDless lady.
I also don't think Phil ever cared for Leanna. Even in the early days when he was more like a normal fat loser, he spoke dismissively of her and never wanted to spend time with her. I doubt he saw Leanna as anything more than a prized status symbol, an actually attractive barely legal girl throwing herself at him, and he knew chances like her were like gold.

It's a gay joke meme, but the only people I've ever seen Phil seem to feel emotion about were John Rambo and Howard, and it's not like he really cared about them either. They were people he could tolerate and had similar interests to fill that small socialization need in his life.

As for Leanna, she hammed it up on screen because she always wanted attention. I think the laying on bed and being slutty stuff was an act. She liked Phil primarily for his status. In her early blogs, she mentioned often how she had a e-celebrity boyfriend that was so popular. Leanna is a starchaser, not unique among women. She hated where she lived, she wanted to make it big with her own business, etc... The money was important too because Leanna wouldn't commit until Phil had his own house. In that regard, Leanna and Katherine are similar.

I don't see how Phil can be happy with Katherine because she's barely providing the one thing he cares about: A woman lives with Phil, thus proving he is not an incel loser like the dentheads that he forces himself to be around his entire life. He must resent that Katherine refuses to merely show herself on pictures for years now to prove she's there.
 
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