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World Famous Quasi Payer said:
So a rifled short barrel firearm that fires pre-existing cartridges and shotshells is a-ok, but not a rifled short barrel firearm that fires new to market multi-projectile ammunition, and cartridges... At least we know, according to the ATF, that Franklin's special AR is just an AR with special ammunition.

I just checked Franklin's website, and the short barreled Reformation is still for sell in either 5.56 or 300 blk. Not 45/410. Apparently its different because it has no twist on the grooves if I understand correctly. Franklin really seems determined to find a loophole.
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The original Circuit Judge ran into the same problem. It was chambered in 28 ga and they were showing off preproduction models the first day at SHOT. They had removed them the next day after a helpful ATF agent pointed out there is no corresponding caliber.

Has Franklin Armory produced a shotshell that would be equivalent? Or are they banking on something on paper.
 
Smoke Manmuscle said:
Has Franklin Armory produced a shotshell that would be equivalent? Or are they banking on something on paper.
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According to the letter posted by @AGPinochet, the ATF says the following:
Franklin Armory also submitted a sample of an exoticprototype 5.56mm caliber saboted ammunition that housed multiple smaller projectiles in a casing.That ammunition could be used not only with the rifle Franklin Armory submitted on August 28,but also with every other firearm chambered in 5.56mm NATO.
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Franklin Armory’s contemporaneous submission of an exotic 5.56mm ammunition that could be used in any 5.56mm chambered rifle reflects, at most, the design of new ammunition. It says nothing about the design of the rifle Franklin submitted in August—the sole relevant question under the statutory language.
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So Franklin has ammo that is "multi-projectile" but this ammo is really no different than snake shot. Which would make every rifle that accepts that ammo into not a SBR regardless of barrel length.
 
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World Famous Quasi Payer said:
According to the letter posted by @AGPinochet, the ATF says the following:



So Franklin has ammo that is "multi-projectile" but this ammo is really no different than snake shot. Which would make every rifle that accepts that ammo into not a SBR regardless of barrel length.
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It sounds like if you are going to do this the fedbois are going to make you design a traditional shotgun shell that happens to fit an existing rifle caliber.
 
I have to admit, I never believed I would ever get so hot for rimfire. It's fun and all, but I never found rimfire guns all that exciting. Now my imagination is buzzing with all the different possibilities. I'd really like to eventually get some vintage .22s. I've always liked the Smith and Wesson Model 41, and I really dig the old Colt Woodsman target pistol that has the heavy underlug barrel. I've also really fancied the Beretta 87 Target, the one that kinda looks like Robocop's Auto 9.

One thing I think would be fun is to either buy or build a .22 rifle to specifically use suppressed with subsonic ammunition using either a Hammerli Force B1 straight pull bolt-action, or build up a rifle using one of those 10/22 based straight pull receivers that Volquartsen makes. Basically try to make it as quiet as possible, so that there isn't even the sound of the action cycling to make noise.

My gun autism can really get set off by things like this.
 
ifunny pride world wide said:
I feel like the lowest-common-denominator of online gun enthusiast has improved a lot of the years but the average gun owner is still rather retarded. Some of the shit that happens at public ranges actually scares me
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I've seen a "professional" shooter discharge his shotgun into gravel 6 feet next to me. Professional retards are everywhere. When their dick is up for some pussy they tend to forget their fingers are not on a pussy but the fucking trigger.
 
sodomy lifestyle said:
It does look entertaining, but doesn't that mean that you still have black powder burning after it has left the bore? Could you chrono the current charge and see if reducing it has an effect on velocity?
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I'm sure it is still burning, but BP is a inefficient propellant.

it was also way down in the dusk of the day so that helped the muzzle blast's visibility. in the day its not nearly as noticeable.
 
The Dude said:
I have to admit, I never believed I would ever get so hot for rimfire. It's fun and all, but I never found rimfire guns all that exciting. Now my imagination is buzzing with all the different possibilities. I'd really like to eventually get some vintage .22s. I've always liked the Smith and Wesson Model 41, and I really dig the old Colt Woodsman target pistol that has the heavy underlug barrel. I've also really fancied the Beretta 87 Target, the one that kinda looks like Robocop's Auto 9.

One thing I think would be fun is to either buy or build a .22 rifle to specifically use suppressed with subsonic ammunition using either a Hammerli Force B1 straight pull bolt-action, or build up a rifle using one of those 10/22 based straight pull receivers that Volquartsen makes. Basically try to make it as quiet as possible, so that there isn't even the sound of the action cycling to make noise.

My gun autism can really get set off by things like this.
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The guns are cheap, the ammo is cheap, the recoil is low, its quiet compared to most calibers, its reasonably reliable as long as you aren't shooting shit-tier ammo. What's not to love?
 
I need some input, fellas. I'd like to put together a suppressed .22 pistol. What are some good options? I've been wanting a Glock 44 for awhile but haven't made the jump yet. Is this a decent pistol to suppress? Any suppressor suggestions for a .22? Something that could also be used on a Ruger 10/22 would be nice. I assume they're interchangeable as long as the threading is the same and all that shit? I'm a total newb to suppressors.
 
PFM said:
I need some input, fellas. I'd like to put together a suppressed .22 pistol. What are some good options? I've been wanting a Glock 44 for awhile but haven't made the jump yet. Is this a decent pistol to suppress? Any suppressor suggestions for a .22? Something that could also be used on a Ruger 10/22 would be nice. I assume they're interchangeable as long as the threading is the same and all that shit? I'm a total newb to suppressors.
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I haven't tried the Glock 44 personally, but from what I've heard it should suppress fine. I've also had good results suppressing the Ruger MKIV.

.22 LR suppressors are mostly interchangeable between different guns. Usually a pistol suppressor would need a booster device, but .22 pistols will generally have fixed barrels and won't require that. Since .22 is a quiet round to begin with, I think it'll be hard to go wrong with any can from a reputable manufacturer. I've personally used the Dead Air Mask HD and the AAC Halcyon, and haven't had problems with either on the Ruger MKIV, the 10/22, or .22 caliber AR15s. Those are older cans though, and skimming through SilencerShop there are newer ones that might be worth a look. The OCL Titanium sticks out since that's very lightweight but supposedly has good performance.

One thing that I'd consider when picking out a .22 can is whether you'd want to use the same can for more powerful rounds like 5.7mm. A lot of .22 cans now seem to be rated for that, but it's worth double checking if that's a capability that you want to have.
 
Huge drama in the 3D Printed gunsphere and oh boy is this more autistic than you would think it is

Today, /r/FOSSCAD, the largest 3D Printed gun subreddit and from what I understand one of the if not the largest communities dedicated to 3D Printed guns with more than 100,000+ susbcribers, was banned.

The person who is claiming to have gotten the sub reddit banned, is someone I've brought up in this thread before, none other than Ex-FAANG employee, Small Arms Designer and Randian Libertarian (you can already see where this is going), the pseudonymous, John Galt (lol) of Atlas Engineering (double lol)

I first mentioned this guy a little over a year ago when I stumbled across his MBAR project (Modular Bullpup Assault Rifle)
AGPinochet said:
So I found this fellow who had made his own Bullpup and it actually is quite an interesting design
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I don't remember exactly when but a couple months ago (maybe January based on a post on X?) He had an autistic meltdown because some random fosscad dwellers (literally just some guys, not even anyone in any position of power in the subreddit) I guess were (from his perspective) kind of rude to him regarding his plan to keep some parts of the MBAR closed source (which is his choice seeing as how he designed it, and from what I remember the parts he planned to keep closed source were the ones 99.99% of people don't have the capability of DIYing, like the MBAR's receiver) while allowing other components to be open source (the modular magazine well system, for example.). After this autistic meltdown he closed sourced everything. Well I guess this resulted in the formation of an autistic vendetta that only an Internet Libertarian could hold and he's claiming to have tattled to the reddit Jannies about the Field Army worth of Fosscad Kiddies under their noses.

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He claims to not only tattled to Reddit Jannies but also anti-gun groups
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Mr. "Galt" was actually recently featured on TFB

Prominent 3D2A Figures on X, Moderator Gage and Joseph The Parrot have also been suspended


This is what happens when you read Atlas Shrugged, you contract terminal autism and as black kids say, "crash out" like a spergy retard

Libertarianism, not even once

One of the last things to be posted to /r/FOSSCAD was this screenshot from what I believe to be an Instagram account for an alleged FN 509 FRT by "latgunworks" (I can find nothing). Looks like someone has decided to join Freedom Finger Triggers in playing the "How long until the ATF decides to slap my shit for making the device that looks most like a Glock Switch but actually isn't" game
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AGPinochet said:
Today, /r/FOSSCAD, the largest 3D Printed gun subreddit and from what I understand one of the if not the largest communities dedicated to 3D Printed guns with more than 100,000+ susbcribers, was banned.
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3D2A stuff has been so thoroughly co-opted by trannies and other bad actors that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.

I am so fucking tired of these people man.
 
888Flux said:
3D2A stuff has been so thoroughly co-opted by trannies and other bad actors that this doesn’t surprise me in the least.

I am so fucking tired of these people man.
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In all fairness trannies corrupt everything they could ever possibly be associated with. Can you name a single troon that has meaningfully contributed to 3D2A? I'm genuinely curious because I know of none.
AGPinochet said:
He claims to not only tattled to Reddit Nannies but also anti-gun groups
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Incredibly gay and also hilarious ironic for a lolbert to call people felons and then try to do everything in his power to get their reddit banned. Hopefully the FOSSCAD guys go to somewhere a lot less gay, especially that guy working on that CoD Ghosts beltfed MG42 ordeal.
 
PFM said:
I need some input, fellas. I'd like to put together a suppressed .22 pistol. What are some good options? I've been wanting a Glock 44 for awhile but haven't made the jump yet. Is this a decent pistol to suppress? Any suppressor suggestions for a .22? Something that could also be used on a Ruger 10/22 would be nice. I assume they're interchangeable as long as the threading is the same and all that shit? I'm a total newb to suppressors.
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I just got a Surefire Ryder 22-S. Picked it up Monday. I really liked the overall package with it coming with a suppressor pouch and disassembly tools. I wanted a can that was user serviceable since .22lr is notoriously dirty. I just got a Franklin Armory F22 pistol, which is basically a Ruger 10/22 copy, though of a higher quality than a stock Ruger 10/22, and it comes with a binary trigger pack. So it has a selector switch that goes from safe, to standard semi-auto, to binary mode where it will fire on the pull of the trigger AND when you release the trigger.

The Ruger Mark IV (or any pistol in the Ruger Standard/Mark series) are basically the gold standard for semi-auto .22lr pistols, but there are some others that are good. The Browning Buckmark is another good option. I've heard good things about the Taurus TX22, especially the Competition model.

I'd highly suggest checking out Silencer Shop's website. They have a section for just rimfire suppressors. The individual pages for each suppressor will give you the specs, what they're rated for, and even what materials they're made of. Some personal suggestions are the Surefire Ryder 22-S, the Energetic Armaments Nyx 2.0, the SilencerCo Switchback, and the Griffin Armament Checkmate HD and Optimus Micro.

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AGPinochet said:
Looks like someone has decided to join Freedom Finger Triggers in playing the "How long until the ATF decided to slap my shit for making the device that looks most like a Glock Switch but actually isn't game"
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Freedom Finger Triggers has gotten ire from the 3D2A community for not having his shit open source. He also removes his old designs and sends a C&D to anyone who copies his new Freedom Finger FRT for the M&P® 2.0. (which is waiting on an official ATF classification letter). I genuinely think the classification letter is going to cause harm to these "switch" type FRTs. There's no way the ATF is going to take a look at it and say "yea that's fine dude", and if they do classify this design style as a machine gun he's going to be vilified 10x harder
 
The Dude said:
I really dig the old Colt Woodsman target pistol that has the heavy underlug barrel.
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Not the exact model that you're describing, but I'm linking it because the owner sperged out and uploaded 102 photos. So definitely the most meticulous documentation of a collector's item, exterior fit and finish looks very nice.
 
The Dude said:
and I really dig the old Colt Woodsman target pistol that has the heavy underlug barrel
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I have a standard Woodsman (technically a pre-Woodsman) and it's really nice. It's one of those guns where you handle it and you can tell it was a good design made to a high standard. Unlike modern .22s it's not picky with standard velocity ammo so I can shoot my hoard of Remington Target through it. The only downside is spare magazines that work are like 150 bucks a pop.

Mine is also threaded but it sure ain't 1/2x28, I assume it will fit those old Maxim .22 silencers just fine.

Great resource for the Woodsman by a top collector here.
 
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