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I remember seeing these in stuff like Guns and Ammo in the 90's and wishing I could own one at some point. The idea of a 10mm PCC is definitely tempting but given that I have a few SBRs (even some foldy bois) it's a damn hard sell for me. I like the MP5 enough that if it were available at comparable prices to other similar platforms I'd probably own one, especially if I could easily mount a red dot on it (no clue if that's possible).

What do you all think? PCCs that can fold for like 0-50m, "truck guns," something you can put in a backpack and hike with, etc. They're probably lighter and smaller than SBRs but it seems like quite a downgrade in terminal performance to go from rifle rounds to pistol rounds.
 
Stribog makes a 10mm. Looks pretty nice.

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Dean Pentel said:
What do you all think? PCCs that can fold for like 0-50m, "truck guns," something you can put in a backpack and hike with, etc. They're probably lighter and smaller than SBRs but it seems like quite a downgrade in terminal performance to go from rifle rounds to pistol rounds.
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Handguns with a standard ~4.5" barrel can still put someone down up to 50m, and if you've got even a 7" barreled PCC you're solidly in the top end of handgun performance.
T-800 said:
Stribog makes a 10mm. Looks pretty nice.
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If the Stribog functioned it would be pretty cool but I lost track after four iterations. Not even MAC would shill for them.
 
waffle said:
What really chaps my ass about it is if anyone could do the real test (shoot a bunch of white tails with bullets that are too heavy and probably won't expand) it's him. Shit somebody that hunts like he does it should be trivial to see what happened,

I've seen so many bullets fail to perform in the deer woods it isn't even funny. IMO old school cup and core bullets generally mog newer designs, and a lot of the tipped "target" bullets are better than what are supposed to be hunting ones.
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I favor the good of Speer Hot-cor, Hornady Interlok or Nosler partition.

You can make any bullet work, as long as you are able to determine what architecture in the deer/elk your bullet strikes. A tough bullet (monolithic or otherwise tough bullet) should be used on the shoulders where you can guarantee the bullet encounters enough resistance to expand and break bone anchoring the deer.

interesting of late i have noticed that the Hunting industry and media in general are moving towards shooting game on the shoulder instead of double lung shots.
 
Dean Pentel said:
What do you all think? PCCs that can fold for like 0-50m, "truck guns," something you can put in a backpack and hike with, etc. They're probably lighter and smaller than SBRs but it seems like quite a downgrade in terminal performance to go from rifle rounds to pistol rounds.
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When I travel to one of the Heart of Darkness cities I keep an HK SP5K-PDW with an SB Tactical
HKPDW Brace, ACRO P2. First mag has a coupler on it. Sits in a backpack on the passenger seat.

Wouldn’t call it a truck gun persay because I only bring it when I’m gonna be in a city chimpouts and ICE protests occur. Normally she sits by the nightstand next to the HK45.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
interesting of late i have noticed that the Hunting industry and media in general are moving towards shooting game on the shoulder instead of double lung shots.
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I've been told that states dealing with the Chronic Wasting Disease scare discourage damaging the spinal column or brain due to prions potentially getting into the meat, so there's still a lot of emphasis on shoulder and double lung shots.
 
big pauper said:
You can find cheap pachmayr grips with no screw on ebay pretty frequently and you can just buy brass escutcheons off of ebay for like five bucks. It's what I did.
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I guess with this particular frame hardly anyone made grips. Pachmayr hasn't made them in like 30 years and I haven't seen clones. It's a Colt "Small J Frame". So I just went ahead and found a dude selling his dad's originals.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
Handguns with a standard ~4.5" barrel can still put someone down up to 50m, and if you've got even a 7" barreled PCC you're solidly in the top end of handgun performance.
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you're gonna get weak 357 revolver velocity out of a carbine length 9mm pcc and people talk about 357 like it's an entirely different world of power. i think people mostly think of bubba's pissin hot loads when making comparisons to 357 (and the revolver would win) but with how weakly loaded remington/winchester 357 is compared to random euro trash loads (prvi partizan my beloved) i wouldn't doubt a pcc would just win every time if you chrono'd it
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
Handguns with a standard ~4.5" barrel can still put someone down up to 50m, and if you've got even a 7" barreled PCC you're solidly in the top end of handgun performance.
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I suppose some of them could but how well can you engage a target that far away with a pistol? Especially if they're shooting back at you and/or moving.
Taser Confetti said:
When I travel to one of the Heart of Darkness cities I keep an HK SP5K-PDW with an SB Tactical
HKPDW Brace, ACRO P2. First mag has a coupler on it. Sits in a backpack on the passenger seat.

Wouldn’t call it a truck gun persay because I only bring it when I’m gonna be in a city chimpouts and ICE protests occur. Normally she sits by the nightstand next to the HK45.
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I feel ya. I run my .300 BLK shorty for that sort of thing. Definitely not as small and light as yours, though.

big pauper said:
a semi automatic 357 magnum with a tube magazine would fuck so hard it's unreal
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It's not a bad idea but wouldn't a 10mm PCC be essentially the same thing performance-wise without the need for expensive tooling?
 
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Dean Pentel said:
I feel ya. I run my .300 BLK shorty for that sort of thing. Definitely not as small and light as yours, though.
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Nothing wrong with a 300BLK - if I were gonna keep a dedicated truck gun it’d be a rifle caliber. Only thing I’m not down on with 300 is I’ve got enough calibers to maintain already and don’t feel like stockpiling more.
 
Taser Confetti said:
Nothing wrong with a 300BLK - if I were gonna keep a dedicated truck gun it’d be a rifle caliber. Only thing I’m not down on with 300 is I’ve got enough calibers to maintain already and don’t feel like stockpiling more.
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Now that I have a decent bit of experience on it I tell folks considering it that it's only worth it if they want a suppressed SBR they plan to run out to 100m max. Sure, it can go further out of an 8"-10" barrel but I don't see the point. It's at its best when you're shooting people inside buildings with it. I also never run subs on mine; I'm not Solid Snake trying to sneak in somewhere.

In the future I'm moving away from .300 BLK as a truck gun and will keep it home defense only. I'll put my 11.5" 5.56 carry handle upper on a foldy lower for that.

Taser Confetti said:
Maybe my ballistics knowledge is off but isn’t 300 sub not much better than 45ACP anyways?
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It's similar as far as I can tell. I think .300 BLK still has a hell of an edge over .45. Let's say you're running 220 gr .300 rounds at about 1000 fps at the muzzle. That'll hit harder and definitely has better penetration over a 230 gr .45 going 850ish fps at the muzzle.

Suppressed subs out of a .300 are definitely darn quiet. As as I said, I don't care but that doesn't mean they aren't effective at killing aggressors.
 
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Dean Pentel said:
Now that I have a decent bit of experience on it I tell folks considering it that it's only worth it if they want a suppressed SBR they plan to run out to 100m max.
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Way too many people don’t understand that if you shoot someone at 100m you’re going to prison. So unless it’s truly TEOTWAWKI it’s pointless to build your antipersonnel guns for it.

Dean Pentel said:
I also never run subs on mine; I'm not Solid Snake trying to sneak in somewhere.
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Maybe my ballistics knowledge is off but isn’t 300 sub not much better than 45ACP anyways?
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
With enough hypotheticals you can make everything seem hopeless, but I'm very much team "truck gun" even while I'm a pistoleer myself.
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We’ve seen that the “peaceful protesting” class does the opposite of generic criminal trash and zeros in on gunshots like zombies. At the risk of sounding like a fudd warning about the dangers of “modifying” a gun - I wouldn’t want to be in front of a prosecutor after using a suppressor on someone not on my property. I won’t use them on my property regardless because if I’m clearing a house I want the gun to be as compact as possible.
 
Taser Confetti said:
We’ve seen that the “peaceful protesting” class does the opposite of generic criminal trash and zeros in on gunshots like zombies. At the risk of sounding like a fudd warning about the dangers of “modifying” a gun - I wouldn’t want to be in front of a prosecutor after using a suppressor on someone not on my property. I won’t use them on my property regardless because if I’m clearing a house I want the gun to be as compact as possible.
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I wouldn't modify a truck gun or make it particularly valuable. Plain, boring and functional with a reliable dot at most.
The LARP/SHTF/TEOTWAWKI gun however is dressed up because of course it is.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
I wouldn't modify a truck gun or make it particularly valuable. Plain, boring and functional with a reliable dot at most.
The LARP/SHTF/TEOTWAWKI gun however is dressed up because of course it is.
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Same. If I’m grabbing the 10.3 Geissele w/ the can it’s because you’re on my property or it’s like Hurricane Katrina and nobody’s investigating bodies anymore. Where I live I can all but guarantee it’ll only ever blast a coyote or get mag dumped into a black bear.
 
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