Mega Rad Gun Thread

Romulus augustulus said:
Fair enough, they are generally listed as separate entities though. even by Sako/Beretta.

I don't think Beretta owning Ruger would be a bad thing on the face of it. Most of their owned brands have done very well. They generally let them service their own markets with minimal interference.
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This is the only part that stinks to me. Beretta is "the largest" by total revenue including shit like ammo, optics, branded merch, etc. but never releases any unit sales numbers.
They may have been hands off when acquiring niche manufacturers that are a rounding error to their production totals yet rough estimates of factory output puts Ruger's 1.5million guns a year at least equal to, if not double, the entirety of Beretta's current holdings. I simply can't see them leaving something like that alone.
At minimum I'd expect a third of Ruger's capacity to be reallocated to making Beretta products domestically.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
I don't know if any of you have been following, but Beretta is making moves to do a hostile takeover of Sturm Ruger & company. Beretta is now the majority stockholder and is nominating 4 members to the board this year. I expect them to take the company private once they can. Beretta is the largest firearms manufacturer world wide and Ruger is the largest domestic manufacturer.

Off the top of my head Beretta already owns: Tikka, SAKO, Uberti, Benelli, Chapius, GECO, Holland & Holland, NORMA, Burris, RWS, Stiener, Stoeger and SwissP.


This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Not a fan tbh.

Beretta is still a Eurocorp and they'll eventually have to jump when the EUCHR says so
 
Syous said:
This is the only part that stinks to me. Beretta is "the largest" by total revenue including shit like ammo, optics, branded merch, etc. but never releases any unit sales numbers.
They may have been hands off when acquiring niche manufacturers that are a rounding error to their production totals yet rough estimates of factory output puts Ruger's 1.5million guns a year at least equal to, if not double, the entirety of Beretta's current holdings. I simply can't see them leaving something like that alone.
At minimum I'd expect a third of Ruger's capacity to be reallocated to making Beretta products domestically.
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they're largest by revenue (~2 billion per annum last i looked). Ruger is around ~500-600 million yearly.
 
I have acquired my first can, shown here on my P-09:

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Already have the adapter and muzzle device to use it with the Dissent, but not going to mess with that until the weekend. Speaking of the Dissent, it's pretty much where I want it now save for the suppressor mount brake:

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WhatInTheActualFuck said:
I have acquired my first can, shown here on my P-09:

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Already have the adapter and muzzle device to use it with the Dissent, but not going to mess with that until the weekend. Speaking of the Dissent, it's pretty much where I want it now save for the suppressor mount brake:

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P-09, nice.
I had one along with it's little brother before the tornado took everything.
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Romulus augustulus said:
they're largest by revenue (~2 billion per annum last i looked). Ruger is around ~500-600 million yearly.
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I already said as much. They quote bigger profits but the lions share of that is all consumables & high markup accessories. Buying Ammotec alone nearly doubled their revenues.
Beretta makes more money but Ruger (by all available data) makes more guns, meaning its acquisition would be such a monumental expansion of their firearm production capacity that prior restraint in managing subsidiaries simply doesn't hold much weight.
Expanding positions in specific underserved areas is not the same as buying out the largest manufacturer by volume in the largest gun market in the world whose product lineup overlaps nearly everything you already make.
 
Syous said:
Expanding positions in specific underserved areas is not the same as buying out the largest manufacturer by volume in the largest gun market in the world whose product lineup overlaps nearly everything you already make.
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They're not afraid of competing with themselves. Benelli, Franchi, Stoeger, and Beretta have heavily overlapping shotgun catalogs. The Franchi momentum is competing with the Tikka T3X.
 
AGPinochet said:
A Second bill has been filed to establish a state level machinegun monopoly, this time in Kentucky
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Yeah, unless there’s more to this bill like signing up applicants into a state militia the Feds are gonna ass rape this. It reads like a borderline SovCit Hail Mary.
 
ellroy said:
I'll counter fuddlore with a fudd saying: "I rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."

Don't limit your defensive ammo just because you're worried about trial optics. As long the ammo can be legally bought in the US, I personally think it will be fine. It's the homemade armor piercing bullets type of round will get you trouble ( a PDF on how do so has been posted in this thread, see "AP Anon Version 1.0.pdf"). That said, I'm a cheap bastard and I just use Federal 124 gr JHP but if you want hyper/gucci ammo including the 65gr fluted, then go for it if you can afford it.
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Yeah, but my point isn't that you should actually limit your ammo choices, moreso you should avoid retarded shit that might be just the right amount to sway something the wrong way.
My main thing was about self defense with reloads in non apocalypse times likely being a bad idea both in terms of reliability (maybe) and court shit (maybe). I know in reality loading carry ammo is different than DIY armor rounds(although I think you should be able to carry those) but I'd wager a jury or lawyer would equate them if it was brought to attention.
As far as RIP rounds, pig bloods, and Talons or other stuff they're either shitty, wicked hard to get, or expensive. Sure the Talons may be great but I highly doubt they're any better than what can be had now and realistically they only have downsides, being cost for sure and the possibility of court stuff as I brought up. I personally carry Winchester Ranger LE and would/will carry any of the other popular stuff as it's better protected by common use you could say. You're really not gonna be missing much by avoiding weird shit even if it works fine since there's so many good options you'd have to go out of your way to not get.

Cop with the dust cover, tbh fuck that guy anyways bc he was/is probably a dick, but still, I'd wanna avoid prison even if I were to be exhonerated after "only a few years".
Edit: just watched that vid and holy fuck, he shoulda gotten raped to death, put on the chair, and raped again
 
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Syous said:
I already said as much. They quote bigger profits but the lions share of that is all consumables & high markup accessories. Buying Ammotec alone nearly doubled their revenues.
Beretta makes more money but Ruger (by all available data) makes more guns, meaning its acquisition would be such a monumental expansion of their firearm production capacity that prior restraint in managing subsidiaries simply doesn't hold much weight.
Expanding positions in specific underserved areas is not the same as buying out the largest manufacturer by volume in the largest gun market in the world whose product lineup overlaps nearly everything you already make.
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Ruger's Pine Tree Castings is also a OEM casting source for a lot of other gunmakers and other industries like defense, medical and aerospace.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
I don't know if any of you have been following, but Beretta is making moves to do a hostile takeover of Sturm Ruger & company. Beretta is now the majority stockholder and is nominating 4 members to the board this year. I expect them to take the company private once they can. Beretta is the largest firearms manufacturer world wide and Ruger is the largest domestic manufacturer.

Off the top of my head Beretta already owns: Tikka, SAKO, Uberti, Benelli, Chapius, GECO, Holland & Holland, NORMA, Burris, RWS, Stiener, Stoeger and SwissP.


This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Beretta is probably one of the better current conglomerate companies out there r/n. Other than the APX, they're pretty much giving everyone what they really wanted with the 92 series and their shotguns.

I've always considered them better than Sig, especially Sig USA. I would rather have a Beretta 92 than any Sig other than a West German P226 or 228.
 
BikeLock said:
Beretta is probably one of the better current conglomerate companies out there r/n. Other than the APX, they're pretty much giving everyone what they really wanted with the 92 series and their shotguns.

I've always considered them better than Sig, especially Sig USA. I would rather have a Beretta 92 than any Sig other than a West German P226 or 228.
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They're trying to put an ex Vista outdoors board member on Ruger's board.

Fuck that. Fucking Euros will absolutely FUCK the US if they can.

I'll bet CZ eventually fucks Colt and that ammo maker they bought eventually.
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
They're trying to put an ex Vista outdoors board member on Ruger's board.

Fuck that. Fucking Euros will absolutely FUCK the US if they can.

I'll bet CZ eventually fucks Colt and that ammo maker they bought eventually.
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Czech Republic is one of the most gun friendly countries in the world. It’s one of the only places you can actually get an LTC.

Euros need the US market to thrive. Companies like Glock and Beretta would be shells of themselves without the US civilian and police market.
 
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