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Romulus augustulus said:
into min-maxing and shit flinging?
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I feel like Taser and I were being perfeftly cordial. Utilitarian tryhard vs enthusiasit discussion is in pretty much every hobby (tryhards are right though btw).
Taser Confetti said:
Not really.
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Not in US doctrine indeed. Euro armies love the full auto for CQB.

In a PCC/PDW though you are rittling them with as many holes as you can as fast as possible to cause drastic loss in bloodpressure or cripple your target. Its like, a big deal, and why the MP5, P90, HK45, etc had their day in the sun.
 
Bogliacci said:
There's a huge difference in a rifle shooting an intermediate cartridge and a full powered rifle cartridge in full auto
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Get the timney trigger for your MP5’s - you can shoot fast as fuck while being infinitely more accurate than full.

Boney said:
Not in US doctrine indeed. Euro armies love the full auto for CQB.
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I’ll take your word for it I guess. I’ve only interacted with USMC, Army and Australians.

Boney said:
In a PCC/PDW though you are rittling them with as many holes as you can as fast as possible to cause drastic loss in bloodpressure or cripple your target.
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Are we acting like modern 9mm JHP’s are just nothing now?
 
Taser Confetti said:
you can shoot fast as fuck while being infinitely more accurate than full.
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No sir, not even close. Thats the magic of full auto submachine guns. With a proper rifle this could/would be true.

Taser Confetti said:
Are we acting like modern 9mm JHP’s are just nothing now?
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Modern JHP 9mm *now* is going to be better then bullet when you pull it from your pack/trunk/night stand. If I'm pulling from a pack/trunk/nightstand then:
1. Holy shit!
2. I want a rifle.
 
Krusty762 said:
Its a whole new world boomer, ask the zoomers in ukraine how things are now. Almost everyone now has some flavor of thermals/NVG/Armor/Arty and suicide drones. Shits fucked
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It is but I frankly don’t think the Ukraine war is actually reflective of normal American self-defense situations or small arms in general.

@Romulus augustulus regarding what you said about boomer fudds on forums regarding deer hunting. You really can’t find a worst source of advice. Guys like that work entirely off vibes and anecdotes and refuse to ever accept they might of just made a shit shot. Every boomer is convinced they’re a scout sniper.
 
Taser Confetti said:
regarding what you said about boomer fudds on forums regarding deer hunting. You really can’t find a worst source of advice. Guys like that work entirely off vibes and anecdotes and refuse to ever accept they might of just made a shit shot. Every boomer is convinced they’re a scout sniper.
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There is no good source of advice. Those who shoot animals believe they're lucky and hedge their bets on specific bullet weights and powder calculations, that if the bullet passes through nonvitals that they're clearly using the wrong variant of 6.5 and that if they miss it's because one of the components were faulty or the barrel is shot out. Those who shoot paper don't believe in expanding rounds.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
There is no good source of advice. Those who shoot animals believe they're lucky and hedge their bets on specific bullet weights and powder calculations, that if the bullet passes through nonvitals that they're clearly using the wrong variant of 6.5 and that if they miss it's because one of the components were faulty or the barrel is shot out. Those who shoot paper don't believe in expanding rounds.
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Honestly everything through .223 to .300 Win Mag will take a deer. Just learn to actually shoot and not be a retard.

I use 6mm ARC btw
 
Taser Confetti said:
I use 6mm ARC btw
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I'm one of the dozens of people still using 6.5 Grendel, I love it and Hornady Custom is very reliable.
But like I said on the previous page going through any sort of discussion on caliber and effectiveness is a stark reminder that people are retarded and insecure. Be confident in your ability and patient in the application.
 
Taser Confetti said:
Honestly everything through .223 to .300 Win Mag will take a deer. Just learn to actually shoot and not be a retard.

I use 6mm ARC btw
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The only thing that changes caliber to caliber to my mind is the ability to penetrate through skeletal structure. I might not trust a .223 to penetrate through a scapula/ leg on a deer like i would a .30-06 w/ a tough bullet.

Research also has pretty conclusively shown that larger diameter bullets are more reliably wounding at lower velocities. north of .358cal hydrostatic shock can be achieved as low as 2400FPS reliably. at .45cal that threshold falls to 2100FPS. on small bores like .30cal and below 2600FPS and above is needed to get the same shock effect. If you aren't getting hydro shock you have to rely on mechanical wounding via bullet shape and expansion etc. makes sense why all those old guys liked their .35 whelens and 9.3s and .375 and .338/.333 calibers. they just didn't have the science to prove why they believed what they did.

(apparently, just going from research papers here)
bit the bullet (heh) and bought a few hundred .45 300gr soft points and likewise a few hundred 220gr RN .30 cal interlokts
 
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Taser Confetti said:
Gay? Yes. But nonetheless I think people fetishize full auto because it’s basically forbidden fruit. It’s got almost zero use besides wasting ammo outside of a rifleman company.
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I've always thought of something like a 1100 rpm MAC-11 as a handheld shotgun of sorts, lmao.

A single round of .380 may not be super effective, but an 8 round burst stitched all the way up a torso would.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
There is no good source of advice. Those who shoot animals believe they're lucky and hedge their bets on specific bullet weights and powder calculations, that if the bullet passes through nonvitals that they're clearly using the wrong variant of 6.5 and that if they miss it's because one of the components were faulty or the barrel is shot out. Those who shoot paper don't believe in expanding rounds.
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The worst is the retards who only shoot half a box once a year to zero their shitty hunting rifle telling people that's it's impossible to take an animal at more than 100 yds.

With a modern precision gas gun or quality bolt rifle with a quality scope, using match bullets, a range finder, and a ballistic calculator, getting a hit up to around 500 yds or so (unless it's extremely windy) is literally just lasing the target, typing some numbers into your phone, dialing the scope, putting the crosshair on the target, and pulling the trigger. If you have a WMLRF and know how to holdover you can skip the second and third steps.

The videos on YouTube where pro shooters "miss" the vitals are all aiming for a target that's a tiny fraction of the size of the actual vital zone.

Also, the boomers bitching miss at <100 yds half the time anyways.
 
quaawaa said:
The worst is the retards who only shoot half a box once a year to zero their shitty hunting rifle telling people that's it's impossible to take an animal at more than 100 yds.

With a modern precision gas gun or quality bolt rifle with a quality scope, using match bullets, a range finder, and a ballistic calculator, getting a hit up to around 500 yds or so (unless it's extremely windy) is literally just lasing the target, typing some numbers into your phone, dialing the scope, putting the crosshair on the target, and pulling the trigger.

The videos on YouTube where pro shooters "miss" the vitals are all aiming for a target that's a tiny fraction of the size of the actual vital zone.

Also, the boomers bitching miss at <100 yds half the time anyways.
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take that 500 yard shot under the stress of just having climbed 1500 feet of steep elevation. take that shot from a compromised position with no rests. there's grass and brush so prone probably isn't an option. one the first shot you need to put your bullet into a ~8 inch zone of a likely moving animal that might be moving in-between trees and other obstacles.

There are very few people who could ethically shoot a deer at that distance. very few.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
take that 500 yard shot under the stress of just having climbed 1500 feet of steep elevation. take that shot from a compromised position with no rests. there's grass and brush so prone probably isn't an option. one the first shot you need to put your bullet into a ~8 inch zone of a likely moving animal that might be moving in-between trees and other obstacles.

There are very few people who could ethically shoot a deer at that distance. very few.
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You can brace yourself against a tree or carry a tripod or use walking sticks that convert into shooting sticks. There are countless ways to get stability in the field. After the scope is dialed, it's literally the same same shooting at 100 yards unless you're using shitty ammo, there's a lot of wind, or you have Parkinson's.
 
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