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So it's 6 PM EST, was there a challenge filed? I'm am retard, so I have no idea where to even check.


Frankly, the very concept of a registered suppressor should be what's illegal.
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It's happening. ATF and DOJ has pussied the fuck out.
 
While this case has me feeling very hopeful and happy about the 2nd amendment, it is important to point out the judges decision hinges on NFA items remaining at 0$ in federal tax code. In theory an unfriendly Congress could change the tax to literally any amount other than $0 and we would go right back to the NFA being in full effect, unless another judge rules the NFA unconstitutional under 2nd amendment grounds.
Keep in mind, just like how Republicans were able to sidestep the filibuster by lowering NFA taxes to $0 as part of the federal budget bill (budget bills cannot be filibustered) democrats could just as easily raise it if and when they get back in power. And since it's hidden away in these massive budget bills, it could even happen during Trump's term if Dems win Congress during the midterms and Trump doesn't feel like the government shutting down over this. Hell, Democrats could even raise the NFA tax to $500, $1000, or even $5000 with a simple majority, and Republicans couldn't filibuster it
If that were to happen, the ATF would have to figure out what the fuck to do with however many unregistered NFA items get transferred during this period. Basically what I'm saying is stock up now, especially focus on NFA stuff and FRTs, because times like these won't last forever. It's literally the best time to buy this shit since 1933.
For fun I've been checking state laws and may have found the best. In 2023 Mississippi passed a law similar to Texas for homemade suppressors where if you make it entirely in the state and it never crosses state lines you're good... so long as it says "MADE IN MISSISSIPPI" somewhere on it.


The thing is, you really don't need to do this anymore based on the judges ruling. Atfs argument during the case was basically "Well sure the NFA is no longer enforceable under congress's taxation power, but it IS enforceable under the interstate commerce clause." However the judge said interstate commerce isn't even at play, since the NFA was solely only ever designed to be a taxation law, and does not use interstate commerce powers at all, therefore now that it's not a tax, it's not a law.

Laws like this are basically a remnant from the early 2010s when a whole bunch of states figured they could bring the NFA fight to a head in the courts, not by attacking the taxation basis of it, but the interstate commerce basis of it (which as judge hendrix ruled, isn't really a part of it anyway). These laws never really went anywhere and were shot down by the 9th circuit. The new ruling is actually better since under laws like this, a non-NFA, made in Mississippi suppressor/SBR would get trapped in the state it was made in, this judgement makes them no different to any other firearm and lets you bring them to any state where they're legal.
 
In theory an unfriendly Congress could change the tax to literally any amount other than $0 and we would go right back to the NFA being in full effect, unless another judge rules the NFA unconstitutional under 2nd amendment grounds.
The lack of a DOJ/ATF response in this case makes that more likely at least.
 
Hypothetically, if the NFA stuff cools off and SBRs become legal, what would you guys recommend for a PCC SBR? Something I could throw in a backpack in the event of zombies or Canadians. I'm looking at either a Scorpion or a Kuna. Probably add a silencer in the future, but I want to figure out the gun first.
So you've got two options. Option 1. Buy a Scorpion, or a Kuna, or a Stribog or an MPX and find out that they're just not that great. Option 2. Save yourself a lot of time and money and just buy an MP5 clone of some variety or sell a kidney and buy an SP5. Most PCC's suck and there's a reason the MP5 is still around after all this time, it just works.
 
Hypothetically, if the NFA stuff cools off and SBRs become legal, what would you guys recommend for a PCC SBR? Something I could throw in a backpack in the event of zombies or Canadians. I'm looking at either a Scorpion or a Kuna. Probably add a silencer in the future, but I want to figure out the gun first.
>I am a serious adult
MP5
>Guns are toys
It literally doesn't matter.
 
GOA's web site is barely hanging on right now :lol:
If the GOA site implodes under the load another group that also receives relief from the injunction is the FPC's legal arm (not the parent FPC) who represented the non-silencershop plaintiff in the combined lawsuit.

You can donate as little as 10bux to become a member though I don't believe it comes with a convenient membership card.

Or donate to both to double up your inclusion in all this and reward groups that actually manage to accomplish things on the 2A front every now and then.
 
What sucks about everything that isn't an MP5? I'm seriously asking.
The mp5 is the smg question solved. It handles recoil better than basically other pistol caliber long gun due to its roller delayed operating system, its lengthy time in service means almost all the kinks of the design have been worked out and solved (as much as they can be without changing it fundamentally). A well made mp5 or clone is just better when it comes to the reliability of operation and shooting experience of anything else out there.
 
Same argument that is made for Glocks and AR-15s, it's the standard so don't deviate unless you want to be a special snowflake.
Not quite. In the PDW checklist to be competitive as a real option you have to hit certain wickets.
1. Reliability
2. Delayed blowback
3. Ergonomics and controls
4. Good with a silencer
5. Compact

Very few can check all those boxes. There is a reason the UMP is fucking cool but just a blip in gun history and the MP5 is a legend.
 
They still have to follow the GCA, which I believe is just the standard background check?

My guess is the ATF will not appeal (IMO they would have already done so) but will lag issuing guidance causing a massive shit storm. (IE, do suppressors still need NFA engravings/Makers marks?)

This ruling creates so many questions, and I've already ordered 20 solvent traps from ping ping so hopefully everything plays out.
The simplest way to view this ruling that SBR/SBS/Suppressors will now be regulated to the same standards as buying a stripped lower receiver. They are all just considered firearms, so 4473. If you were to make an SBR/SBS/Suppressor you would not be required to engrave it with your information as there is no requirement to do that if you make your own gun and are not an FFL. FFLs will still have to have their manufacturer engravings on SBR/SBS/Suppressors, since that is a requirement for FFLs when they manufacture a firearm.

The Final Judgement outlines it all, just google the USCs they mention to figure out what is no longer necessary.
 
Andrew Clyde, The representative that put the language stripping the $200 Tax from SBR's, SBS's and Suppressors into the 2025 Big Beautiful Bill, has publicly posted that he has received confirmation that the Trump DOJ will NOT Appeal the decision, meaning that at 12:01 CDT, the Jensen Decision will go into effect
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Hypothetically, if the NFA stuff cools off and SBRs become legal, what would you guys recommend for a PCC SBR? Something I could throw in a backpack in the event of zombies or Canadians. I'm looking at either a Scorpion or a Kuna. Probably add a silencer in the future, but I want to figure out the gun first.
Not gonna try to tell you what to do, but I've had nothing but giggles from my CMMG Dissent Mk4 with a Hux Flow 9K:

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Recently got it Form 1'd but yeah - even with the brace, that thing is a laugh riot and a super soft shooter. With that SI side folder, it packs up neatly into a backpack-sized package. You can also get the Mk17 version if you'd prefer Glork mags.
 
Andrew Clyde, The representative that put the language stripping the $200 Tax from SBR's, SBS's and Suppressors into the 2025 Big Beautiful Bill, has publicly posted that he has received confirmation that the Trump DOJ will NOT Appeal the decision, meaning that at 12:01 CDT, the Jensen Decision will go into effect
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I'm a tourist and also retarded, could you explain what this language-strip thing is to non-Americans? What is this bill?
 
I'm a tourist and also retarded, could you explain what this language-strip thing is to non-Americans? What is this bill?
For over 90 years you have had to register a suppressor with the NFA, among other items. A combination of Congress zeroing out the 200$ tax and a recent court ruling has made it unconstitutional for the items set to zero, since it was a tax law, and not under the commerce clause.
 
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