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The insertions are fine and the speed is typical for other robotic assisted surgeries.I watched the entire 2h48min presentation last night, was pretty interesting. Here are some of the cool bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreDYmXTYi4
You can only read/control areas of the brain that have the neuralink threads in them, so if you wanted to make someone see, you'd need to put the threads into the visual cortex part of the brain, if you wanted to make them walk, it needs to go in the motor cortex of the brain. It wont be easy to control people memories with this type of device, because of how the brain is designed, memories are deeper in the brain, and this region is harder to get to with the needles and electrodes. There are limited electrode threads on each neuralink, so they have to be choosy about the location, they are nowhere near reading a whole brain.
They have these monkeys with the neuralinks control mouse cursors with their minds. When the monkey thinks "up" the mouse goes up, when the monkey thinks "down" it goes down etc. The strange thing the mouse control ability changes every day, different neurons fire the next day when the monkey thinks "up", and this causes the mouse to move with a bias. It's like if I thought about "banana" on Monday, the neuralink might read which neurons were activated, and interpret this as "banana." If I did this same thing again on Thursday, and thought again about "banana," things would fire slightly differently, and the neuralink would have some difficulty interpreting things. They need to figure out a way to compensate for this constant change.
There is this layer under you skull called the dura, a tough membrane, they remove this and it lets their surgical robot jab the electrodes into the brain. This happens faster than im comfortable with, but apparently the brain moves so much it needs to be quick. The robot can see blood vessels and avoids them when putting in the electrodes. The one issue with removing the dura layer is that the body will replace it with scar tissue, and this can be a problem when they want to remove it, as there is all this tissue growing around the device. They want to do the surgery right through the dura in the future, and not remove it, but this poses a problem, because now they cant see the blood vessels as easily.
They have an entire team that just works on needle prototyping, and they use lasers to ablate the metal and make different needle shapes to test how well they insert the electrodes.
They have a pig and they can control it's leg movements. They added another neuralink device into the pig's spine, and this lets them do things with the pigs leg muscles. all remotely. Seen here:
This is promising because they could use two neuralinks, one in the head and one after the part where the break in the spinal cord is, and potentially let people walk again. Over time moisture actually diffuses through the polymer material into the neuralink, and eventually cause the electronics to fail, so replacement has to be easy. Could be around the 5 year mark, but more testing is needed in this area. They device monitors it's internal humidity. The motor cortex (controls movement) is on the outside of the brain, so it's easier to access.
I hope Musk waits 10 years before doing elective brain surgery, he has an important mind, and I don't think the shareholders would like it if he gets poking around in that area. I'm not sure the upside of faster computer control is worth the downside, like a stroke or some other brain issue. He's going to probably run head first (heh) into getting this done, and his engineering side might not appreciate that the human body isn't quite like lego, even though he seems to think it is.
I can see a number of problems with the whole device and the duramater removal, the meninges are a series of protective membranes that are quite important for the safety of your central nervous system and in general you really don't want to create points of failure within them unless you truly have to (i.e. you need to save a life/relieve pressure from a brain hemorrhage etc.).
I'll have to watch the whole thing myself thanks for posting it. Eventually we will have to just go through all these risks and continue the journey of getting tech closer and closer to ourselves, but boy the risks are off the scale compared to anything we've done so far, and the adverse effects not just on bodies, but on societies and our own human nature will be unpredictable.
But we will do all this anyway, just like we risked things in the past. For now the tech might be able to help people with real medical issues that are desperate and don't have other choice but to try, but in a few years it will grow.
I'm not sold on it, it's truly a huge risk to allow corporations to program these chips that will contribute to our cognition.