New UPS Policy Requires Unlimited Access to Firearms Shipper’s Books

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Last month, AmmoLand News posted about the new anti-gun policies of shipping giant UPS. Now it appears that the common carrier is stepping up its anti-gun programs.

Firearms sellers started to receive a new agreement that they must sign to ship firearms through UPS. The letter contains new provisions in addition to the requirements announced last month. The most concerning of these new regulations is that UPS requires gun companies to turn over customer data and must allow UPS access to review and examine the shipper’s books and records relevant to the products being shipped upon request. The shipper must also provide UPS with invoices for any firearms-related products.

UPS Shipper Compliance Program
Most disturbing is that UPS has sole and unlimited discretion over what documents they can require the shippers to turn over. This new policy gives UPS the unlimited power and discretion to examine and review any customer documents related to firearms sales. The shipper also must agree to turn over any documents UPS requests within five business days or risk the termination of their shipping accounts. UPS says It will use its newfound power to audit the books to ensure compliance with its new policies.

UPS doesn’t tell customers whether the shipping company will keep customer information secure. The new UPS policy grants itself sole discretion to decide what it can examine and do with the data. Most customers do not want their private information given to anyone, especially a company that has made several recent anti-gun moves, including threatening to seize legal gun parts from one Florida seller.

UPS customers that ship firearms must also develop and implement a compliance program to ensure all employees of the shipper comply with all firearms laws and UPS policies. Not only do employees involved with shipping have to take the course, but anyone who works in sales or marketing must also complete the training. The company’s training must be “regarding lawful recipients, possessors, and purchasers of Firearm Products.” The compliance program must also teach “due diligence regarding customer licensure or authorization to receive, possess, and purchase Firearm Products under applicable federal, state, or local law.” The company must also implement a “self-assessment” of the compliance program to “guarantee its effectiveness.”

These new policies and the UPS policy requiring most gun sellers to use overnight air shipping for handguns instead of the standard two-day shipping will hurt online sales. Most people use online gun seller’s websites to save money on firearms, but those savings disappear because of the increased shipping price. Also, some online sellers are concerned with a private company being able to audit their books. One unnamed seller worried that this could be the end of internet gun sales.

The recent issues with “woke” credit card companies can be defeated by using things like 2AGateway’s cryptocurrency payment gateway that can take various cryptos instead of credit cards, or TUSC which is specific coin marketed for the firearms market. Beating anti-gun shipping companies will be a lot harder to do. The startup cost for a pro-gun competitor to UPS and FedEx would be enormous. Congress might be the only chance to reverse UPS’s and FedEx’s policies against gun sellers, but there is no guarantee that they will push back on these new discriminatory policies.

With shipping companies implementing anti-gun policies, it leaves gun buyers to seek alternatives to the online marketplace.

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7.1% of UPS is owned by (((Larry Fink)))s BlackRock.

 

[Troonos]

All corpo fascists deserve the rope.

 

[Toolbox]

Just make your own national shipping corporation and the logistics hell associated.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Well USPS still allows transfer of long rifles to out of state license holders, and in state non-license holders. So you could ship a rifle through them to a shop out of state, to a private individual in state, and I'm assuming you can still ship ammo, loading supplies, and probably gun parts?

Handguns are the real issue here, because USPS doesn't handle them. So if a gun seller wanted to give UPS/FedEx the finger and keep selling everything else they could, but they won't be able to transfer handguns.

What a fantastic way to make people nervous and convince everyone they need to arm themselves.

 

[draggs]

This is illegal. UPS has just as much right to demand access to the regular mails of gun sellers as it does to these other records.

 

[Aidan]

This is illegal. UPS has just as much right to demand access to the regular mails of gun sellers as it does to these other records.

Is it though?

 

[Barry McKockner]

Well USPS still allows transfer of long rifles to out of state license holders, and in state non-license holders. So you could ship a rifle through them to a shop out of state, to a private individual in state, and I'm assuming you can still ship ammo, loading supplies, and probably gun parts?

Handguns are the real issue here, because USPS doesn't handle them. So if a gun seller wanted to give UPS/FedEx the finger and keep selling everything else they could, but they won't be able to transfer handguns.

What a fantastic way to make people nervous and convince everyone they need to arm themselves.

USPS not handling handguns should be a violation of everything since it's a governmental organization.

 

[draggs]

Is it though?

Judging from anti-trust case law of a hundred+ years ago, it is

 

[Aidan]

Judging from anti-trust case law of a hundred+ years ago, it is

Can you be more specific? I'm ignorant.

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

USPS not handling handguns should be a violation of everything since it's a governmental organization.

The chances of this regime doing anything about that is basically zero. It suits their interests.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

USPS not handling handguns should be a violation of everything since it's a governmental organization.

Agreed, though they get around that by saying they happily will ship handguns from licensed dealer to dealer.
Gun parts are okay. Break it down. Ship it in several parcels.

 

[Barry McKockner]

Agreed, though they get around that by saying they happily will ship handguns from licensed dealer to dealer.
Gun parts are okay. Break it down. Ship it in several parcels.

Well that's fine. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Bogliacci]

And then they just hand it to the ATF as "UPS Data"

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

Agreed, though they get around that by saying they happily will ship handguns from licensed dealer to dealer.
Gun parts are okay. Break it down. Ship it in several parcels.

Yes. People will still have ways to get what they want (for now), it'll just be that much more inconvenient and expensive to do so. It's more about getting people incrementally used to putting up with the boot on their necks. Slowly raising the temperature on the frog instead of starting at a rolling boil.

Well that's fine. I don't have a problem with that.

Case in point.

 

[draggs]

Can you be more specific? I'm ignorant.

Many 19th century cases against railroads involving discrimination against customers. Among other things the no-no acts involved handing customer records over to competitors and the key point is the purpose of all of it was restraint of trade

If these records are given to UPS and the purpose and result is gun dealers getting fucked by UPS having records of their legal business, I think a competent court will say the dealers have a right to carry out their business legally and confidentially from third parties with no legitimate interest in any but their own particular mutual dealings. the confidentiality of the entirety of a business' shipping being compromised as a condition for doing business with UPS seems against sound public policy to me, and if it isn't illegal it should be

 

[Fomo Hoire]

This is illegal. UPS has just as much right to demand access to the regular mails of gun sellers as it does to these other records.

And nobody has a right to see your medical status because HIPAA, but that sure didn't do Jack to protect people from being coerced to waive those protections so they could eat.

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Last month, AmmoLand News posted about the new anti-gun policies of shipping giant UPS.

Excerpts from that article :

UPS has stepped up its anti-gun campaign by requiring online sellers to ship an average of 50 handguns daily to use its 2nd Day Air service.

Sellers who do not ship at least 350 handguns a week risk losing their shipping accounts.

You must give them access to over a thousand guns a month or get deplatformed.

The shipping giant notified Ghost Firearms of Florida that it would stop shipping from the company. It also told the online retailer that it would “seize and destroy” packages currently en route to customers leaving Ghost Firearms scrambling for options.

They reserve the right to destroy firearms. I guess the firearms wouldn't be on the books if they're ghost firearms, but do I trust them to only destroy ghosts?

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Step 1: gain access to 1k+ transactions a month
Step 2: seize and destroy product, surely fucking with record keeping
Step 3: demand access to the records
Step 4: find errors conveniently correlated with seized product

It's a trap. Even if you're the most retard ever who has no concern for your privacy because "I have nothing to hide", you do have something to hide, because they're going to force you to make mistakes.

 

[Another Char Clone]

I hope somebody starts suing UPS for facilitating crimes, after all, they have elected to take responsibility for the contents of the shipments. Fraud, drugs, guns, smuggled goods, counterfeits, non-environmentally friendly products, whatever, after all, they KNEW what was in it.