Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[PigFarm]

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Figured I'd post this here, it's interesting that lesbians are more open to identity mombo jumbo compared to gays.
Then again gays are more concerned about unlimited sex.

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So manly

 

[Barry Williams]

So manly

One eye on the streets, one eye on the T.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

* I’ve been training kung fu really intensely for several years and have put on approximately 10 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks, which is causing ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. Iron deficiency. B12 deficiency. It’s been awful. But T is “supposed” to make your iron go up, so I’m having to do a lot of tests and run around to prove to my doctor that the problem is that I accidentally got jacked too quickly so she’ll let me have some goddamn B12 injections, and in the mean time I’ll have to put up with fatigue and excruciating muscle cramps during my kung Fu classes for at least another three weeks.

Or buy off the shelf pack of Vitamin B12 for 8c a tablet you absolute tool.

 

[BongoMongo]

Is it just me or is their propensity to calling their genitalia their "junk" kind of gross?

It's part of your body. And no part, assuming you have everything you should and no extras of anything are"junk". The human body (I mean really, any brings body, when you think on it) is pretty amazing.

Also I'm not sure on the biochemistry of testosterone making your iron levels increase? Does anyone know anything about that? Either way,B12,and iron supplements,if used sensibly are good but a healthy diet and addressing any physiological abnormalities is surely preferable?

I guess at least the pooner is working out and I will extoll the virtues of that to anyone.

 

[and I must scream]

* When I came out as trans at the start of the pandemic, I went to my doctor and asked for a referral for help. She responded by saying she didn’t know what trans meant. Then did not offer to learn or educate herself in any way. I ended up paying $9000 out of pocket for my top surgery because public funding required a referral from a GP, and there was no way to get a new doctor in 2020.

The audacity of this woman to complain she could not get a GP for referral at the start of the pandemic, when people couldn't get GP for actual health problems, and actually medically needed surgeries were delayed by months.

* Trans masc and experiencing perimenopause? Have fun never getting any medical care about literally debilitating symptoms. I didn’t realize I’d had brain fog for TWO AND A HALF YEARS until T made it go away.

I don't even know what she is talking about here. How could she has perimenopause for two and half years, then get the T which then made it go away? The T is what makes her experiencing perimenopause in the first place. Am I supposed to believe she started experimenting perimenopause simply because she identified as transmasc? The fuck?

* Related: I have a fibroid apparently and it took like a year to get a referral to a trans inclusive gyno - who is 40 minutes away by car - who I don’t see for another two weeks.

You know, I started writing something about how regular gyno is the same as a trans inclusive gyno, all the difference is basically that the regular one will do things like saying the actual names of the organs in the female reproduction system - but then I realized I'm wrong; there is actually a good reason why a TIF would like to go to a trans inclusive gyno. A regular gyno will warn her that the T is very harmful to her female reproductive system, and might tell her to stop this right away. They might refuse doing things like prescribe her a local estrogen cream as long as she takes testosterone, for example. A Trans inclusive gyno, however, will play along and let her ruin her female reproductive system without so much as a peep of objection, if not outright encourage her to keep destroying it as long as she feels comfortable in her body, or whatever.

* The two pages of drug information I was given with my first vial of T didn’t even MENTION THE EXISTENCE of trans masc people. Not even ONCE.

Oh my god. Sorry the information pamphlet in the clinic or whatever you have been at didn't mention the zero point something percent population that takes T for cosmetics changes. You do know that the majority of people who take testosterone are men who actually needs it, men whoes body can't produce it itself or can't produce enough, don't you? Sorry not everything revolves around you people.

* Also, none of the T side effects I’m having problems with were things I was warned about. Instead it was all “this will impact your fertility” (good!), and lots of vague euphemisms like “bottom growth”, which didn’t in any way prepare me for the three days I spent sitting on ice packs when bottom growth started. A warning about 7/10 nerve pain would have been nice.

* Similarly, no one told me that “bottom growth” not only includes clitoral enlargement, but also the vulva becomes more scrotum-like. Which. Great! I have bottom dysphoria, so that’s helpful. But again, 7/10 nerve pain accompanied by “holy shit why does my junk look so different all of a sudden????” is something I would have appreciated knowing to expect.

I would like to point out something here. She complains she didn't get the full information about the possible side effects of the testosterone. Imagine if a detransitioner said that. Immediately, hundreds of posts about "how is it possible that every detransitioner say they didn't get the full information when I got 150 pages of possible side effects", tens of videos about "do your due diligence and you won't be surprised", "do your research before you medically transition, if you didn't do your research it's your fault" and tiktok videos of cruel mocking - "what, you didn't know this is what going to happen? How stupid can you be? Google testosterone side effects, there is planty of information online", etc. but here you have a trans identified person who says that. So as much as her constant whining is annoying as fuck (complaining about something she is ultimately happy about...), it actually has some merit. For us.

Anyway, this woman is so fucking entitled and her constant whining about the fact that the health care system doesn't bend itself over backwards for this tiny and relatively new minority and doesn't center itself around them and cater to their every whim when all they do is make themselves sick and be a burden on this already underfunded and understaffed system, is annoying as fuck.

If she actually bother to listen to other people she might find out that people with actual real medical conditions suffer just as much as her if not more from long waiting time, doctors who doesn't always know about certain things, comments from the doctors they don't like/find inappropriate/trigger them, and all kind of hassles (go here go there actually you have to go there first and get a referral from the doctor, actually you need to go to a different kind of specialist, make appointment for your GP so they would give it to you, actually you have to get a blood test first make appointment for the nurse, you need an MRI the nearest appointment is in 6 months meanwhile here take a prescription for pain medication, the medication prescribed is only in one drug store in this area you'll have to get there to take it, no you can't take a quantity worth of three months of this medication at once you have to come here every month and wait an hour and a half in line like every one else, etc. etc.).

 

[Wallace]

If she actually bother to listen to other people she might find out that people with actual real medical conditions suffer just as much as her if not more from long waiting time, doctors who doesn't always know about certain things, comments from the doctors they don't like/find inappropriate/trigger them, and all kind of hassles (go here go there actually you have to go there first and get a referral from the doctor, actually you need to go to a different kind of specialist, make appointment for your GP so they would give it to you, actually you have to get a blood test first make appointment for the nurse, you need an MRI the nearest appointment is in 6 months meanwhile here take a prescription for pain medication, the medication prescribed is only in one drug store in this area you'll have to get there to take it, no you can't take a quantity worth of three months of this medication at once you have to come here every month and wait an hour and a half in line like every one else, etc. etc.).

Yes, but you see, Anna is a not-woman. Anyone or anything that suggests or even insinuates that she might be a woman causes her to spend the next several hours having an autistic meltdown, so they must be removed. And since Anna has a CONDITION and she's a VICTIM, it is everyone else's job to manage her emotions for her and make sure she doesn't have any more meltdowns.

 

[Jacques1194]

Non binary woman hates when people think she's a woman because she is pregnant. Notice how her dysphoria is not triggered by her understanding that she's female since she is ok with getting pregnant. Her dysphoria is only triggered by people understanding that she's female.

 

[Aunt Carol]

She complains she didn't get the full information about the possible side effects of the testosterone. Imagine if a detransitioner said that.

It's a tempting piece of theater, isn't it? Put her words on top of a picture of Chloe Cole etc., and have the author attribution in tiny letters, (pic unrelated).

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Is it just me or is their propensity to calling their genitalia their "junk" kind of gross?

It's part of your body. And no part, assuming you have everything you should and no extras of anything are"junk". The human body (I mean really, any brings body, when you think on it) is pretty amazing.

Also I'm not sure on the biochemistry of testosterone making your iron levels increase? Does anyone know anything about that? Either way,B12,and iron supplements,if used sensibly are good but a healthy diet and addressing any physiological abnormalities is surely preferable?

I guess at least the pooner is working out and I will extoll the virtues of that to anyone.

Exogenous testosterone can cause polycythemia, which is an excess of RBCs. Even in males.

And yes, the habitual references to "junk" are very telling. I noticed that even outside trannies, Redditor types in general started calling their genitals this. What a weird affectation for "sex positive" people to have.

 

[Wallace]

Anna's FFXIV yoai fantasies know no limit.

 

[Trombonista]

Is it just me or is their propensity to calling their genitalia their "junk" kind of gross?

It's part of your body. And no part, assuming you have everything you should and no extras of anything are"junk". The human body (I mean really, any brings body, when you think on it) is pretty amazing.

"Junk" has been a euphemism for genitalia for a while, long before the transtrender epidemic.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

You know, I started writing something about how regular gyno is the same as a trans inclusive gyno, all the difference is basically that the regular one will do things like saying the actual names of the organs in the female reproduction system - but then I realized I'm wrong; there is actually a good reason why a TIF would like to go to a trans inclusive gyno. A regular gyno will warn her that the T is very harmful to her female reproductive system, and might tell her to stop this right away. They might refuse doing things like prescribe her a local estrogen cream as long as she takes testosterone, for example. A Trans inclusive gyno, however, will play along and let her ruin her female reproductive system without so much as a peep of objection, if not outright encourage her to keep destroying it as long as she feels comfortable in her body, or whatever.

Here I was thinking that the idea amongst these sorts was that body parts are gender neutral - if you have a vagina and you're non binary, it's a genderless part because it's on YOUR body but then again that's how terms like "chestfeeding" came about, because these pooners/theyfabs can't handle the fact every cell in their bodies is genetically female. You'd think someone her age would be over this shit too, but there are more older "NBs" than one might think, particularly those who still want to keep up with the Current Thing and/or are susceptible to magical thinking (hippies and the like).

 

[TruffleSpark]

Is there anyway to get through to enbys that they are not special and their special gender feelings are just normal human emotions? I don't think there is.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Such a pathetic worm. Trying to talk some sense into these people is like fighting, idk, a bag of trash or trying to pet a cat that doesn't want to be touched. They always somehow reshape and reframe the concept of gender several times during the conversation in an inconsistent and contradictive manner, just to be against your point.

They don't have set values and principles, they just want to own the ugly evil terf, even when it means they happen to 99% agree with you and are SO CLOSE to get it at some point.

 

[Jacques1194]

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Is there anyway to get through to enbys that they are not special and their special gender feelings are just normal human emotions? I don't think there is.

This is honestly why non binary annoys me the most compared to TIMs and TIFs. While both those groups have their annoying people, I have yet to meet a non binary (especially a woman) who wasn't a complete narcissist. These women act like they are special and different from everyone else. You can tell that these people don't have any gender dysphoria whatso ever and are just using it as a power play. Why any western government takes these people seriously is insane to me.

 

[Aunt Carol]

. Why any western government takes these people seriously is insane to me.

This is one of the parts that baffles me.

The US Government, the same entity that still legally requires the use of fax machines in certain industries, is suddenly up-to-the-minute about there being three genders and all the legal ramifications of same.

There's no Trans Institute and no Trans Pope so there's no central dogma; the "standard" evolves constantly and without warning, to the point where a blog post from four years ago will be transphobic now because it used "trans*" as was the style at the time. But the US Government is going to regulate a protected class that can be opted into, verbally, by anyone, without fanfare or straightforward public discussion. It's like the opposite of the 1960s civil rights movement.

 

[TruffleSpark]

This is honestly why non binary annoys me the most compared to TIMs and TIFs. While both those groups have their annoying people, I have yet to meet a non binary (especially a woman) who wasn't a complete narcissist. These women act like they are special and different from everyone else. You can tell that these people don't have any gender dysphoria whatso ever and are just using it as a power play. Why any western government takes these people seriously is insane to me.

It's weird to me that the mainstream trans movement takes them seriously, given that enbys do such a good job of undermining the argument that being trans is some sort of serious medical disorder that people will die from if they don't get treatment. But I think they keep them around because they see being an enby as a step toward trooning out for real.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

But I think they keep them around because they see being an enby as a step toward trooning out for real.

It's the gateway identity.

 

[armfleshween]

This is one of the parts that baffles me.

The US Government, the same entity that still legally requires the use of fax machines in certain industries, is suddenly up-to-the-minute about there being three genders and all the legal ramifications of same.

There's no Trans Institute and no Trans Pope so there's no central dogma; the "standard" evolves constantly and without warning, to the point where a blog post from four years ago will be transphobic now because it used "trans*" as was the style at the time. But the US Government is going to regulate a protected class that can be opted into, verbally, by anyone, without fanfare or straightforward public discussion. It's like the opposite of the 1960s civil rights movement.

Think about it. A bunch of old creepy men with money "discover themselves," ruin their marriage and life, then vindictively dump loads of cash into lobbying groups as pornography became more and more accessible.

 

[PigFarm]

I know someone falling into this non binary shit and of course, they're autistic. Actually autistic, as in you'd need less than 5 min around them to know. Since they're close, I've been able to have a more of a deep dive convo with them about why they feel the way they do and it all comes down to black and white thinking + an internet addiction.

"I'm not a girl because tv told me girls do girls things and sometimes I do boy things."

"I'm not a girl because I said these things to my DnD group of other autistic kids and they said it's cause I'm non binary instead of telling me that a woman can be whatever she wants to be."

The most annoying thing is that I can get through to them when we are 1 on 1 by pointing out the logical fallacies in their belief, since they're autistic but not stupid. I can point out their idols that they would unequivocally agree are female yet have all the features and interests that make them believe they're something "other," and point out multiple tv stereotypes that they know are exaggerated and not representative of real life. But the moment they go back home into the depths of their bedroom with nothing but the glow of their computer screens illuminating their lives, they swap back to "I can't be a real girl!"