"Oh but they encouraged the attackers"

[robobobo]

I've kept a morbid eye on the various news reports about us, and I've noticed a common thread. The reports that aren't outright lying that the forum is actively swatting and suiciding troons are saying things along the line of, "Well maybe they aren't technically swatting and suiciding anyone, but they're making an atmosphere encouraging people to do it and relying on crazy people to go do their dirty work for them." I feel that the zeitgeist of the farms is extremely discouraging to people actually taking action against a cow, I've never seen anybody even "in minecraft" encouraging a retard who runs into a thread announcing their desire to pozload my negholep.

Does anyone feel that any actual farmers or lurkers here are behind the alleged troon attacks, or are we just getting scapegoated for the channers? I haven't bothered wading through any flavor of 4chan in years, so I honestly have no idea whether they're still busy trolling around anymore, or if other forums are out there that are actively organizing harassment on the cows.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

I feel that these attacks fall into one or more of several categories:

1. Actual Farmers who go out and attack cows, either on their own accord or by working together. If they're working together, they're probably using PMs or a private Discord to facilitate this. In either case, neither we nor Null have any way of identifying or combating the issue unless it's made known to him (Spooky Bones and his gay ops, for example).
2. People who lurk here but have no accounts. We may hide the cow's dox in-thread, but we mention certain sites (like Doxbin) that have the cow's dox, and they use that to engage in gay ops. Again, barring some change in how we post (e.g., no more mentioning Doxbin), we have no way of identifying or combating the issue.
3. People who know about the Farms and its spotty reputation, but otherwise don't browse or engage the site. In such cases we're a convenient distraction, a way to keep the heat off the real culprits. The /pol/ thread Null mentioned is a good example (though it may not be the case; see my next point). In this case, the hacker known as 4chan may be the culprit behind the attacks and is using us as a shield.
4. People who want to false flag attacks for various reasons, be it clout, pity, or to organize a campaign to attack a forum dedicated to flightless New Zealand birds. In such a case, not only do we form a perfect "villain" for them to exploit, 4chan's anonymous posting gives them another degree of separation, making it that much harder to track them down.

Please note the common theme in all of these: Null and his jannies have no way of identifying or combating the issue. Honest but deceived actors know this and scapegoat Null. Bad actors take advantage of this to attack Null and bring the Farms down.

Null has mentioned bot attacks, both on Telegram and his stream, targeting older accounts (and on Telegram he showed proof of the bot attacks). These attacks primarily target older accounts with little to no activity on them, which makes me think this is the result of a bad actor going after us. Given Keffal's internet knowledge (e.g. how to get DIY hormones from Brazil), I personally believe it's either Lucas or someone like him launching bad faith attacks, or using crypto to hire people on the dark web to attack us.

As we don't know who's doing this, we have no way to fight back against this. All we can do is keep the lights on and wait.

 

[$80 Nude Haircut]

I feel that these attacks fall into one or more of several categories:

1. Actual Farmers who go out and attack cows, either on their own accord or by working together. If they're working together, they're probably using PMs or a private Discord to facilitate this. In either case, neither we nor Null have any way of identifying or combating the issue unless it's made known to him (Spooky Bones and his gay ops, for example).
2. People who lurk here but have no accounts. We may hide the cow's dox in-thread, but we mention certain sites (like Doxbin) that have the cow's dox, and they use that to engage in gay ops. Again, barring some change in how we post (e.g., no more mentioning Doxbin), we have no way of identifying or combating the issue.
3. People who know about the Farms and its spotty reputation, but otherwise don't browse or engage the site. In such cases we're a convenient distraction, a way to keep the heat off the real culprits. The /pol/ thread Null mentioned is a good example (though it may not be the case; see my next point). In this case, the hacker known as 4chan may be the culprit behind the attacks and is using us as a shield.
4. People who want to false flag attacks for various reasons, be it clout, pity, or to organize a campaign to attack a forum dedicated to flightless New Zealand birds. In such a case, not only do we form a perfect "villain" for them to exploit, 4chan's anonymous posting gives them another degree of separation, making it that much harder to track them down.

Please note the common theme in all of these: Null and his jannies have no way of identifying or combating the issue. Honest but deceived actors know this and scapegoat Null. Bad actors take advantage of this to attack Null and bring the Farms down.

Null has mentioned bot attacks, both on Telegram and his stream, targeting older accounts (and on Telegram he showed proof of the bot attacks). These attacks primarily target older accounts with little to no activity on them, which makes me think this is the result of a bad actor going after us. Given Keffal's internet knowledge (e.g. how to get DIY hormones from Brazil), I personally believe it's either Lucas or someone like him launching bad faith attacks, or using crypto to hire people on the dark web to attack us.

As we don't know who's doing this, we have no way to fight back against this. All we can do is keep the lights on and wait.

4chan federal handlers moderators have quicker response time than your bank's fraud protection. You can't discuss /i/ stuff anywhere. Even threads discussing this drama over Kiwifarms itself has been systemically pruned from /pol/, a board is so flooded with obvious bot-spam the mods will ban you from IRC for pointing it out. Hiro doesn't want his equivalent of Jessi Slaughter so all talk of e-celebs or lolcows is killed off as quick as possible (and they refuse to make a board for ecelebs because of this.) Lastly /pol/ tends to view Kiwifarms as a bunch of stupid teenage girls who gossip over nothing when they should be discussing the Jews.

Kiwifarms is the perfect mix of easy and acceptable target. Null doesn't have any friends & this place exists in the minds of normalfags to gossip about people who are likely to complain when their real name appears somewhere on the internet. It's too easy to blame this place for anything and it's too easy for the ADL or whoever to "verify" us as the culprit (and then retract it later with "well they didn't do it but aren't they just so horrible anyway?")

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I have a standing challenge to have a bout against any troon and/or retard who wants to come down and enact righteous vengeance in the ring, but no one has taken me up on it.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Honestly, in the time when the site wasn't available I avoided looking up anything whatsoever related to it, because nobody can adequately defend themselves on corporate platforms and I don't really support the idea of participating to begin with (it's important to remember, the users are both the content and the saleable product for social media sites, and I'll be fucked if I'm going to provide these people either), so it'll just tick you off.


More on topic though, I don't even know which attacks we're referring to. I don't even think the parties or actions are well defined enough to discern who's done what.

And the truth is that it probably doesn't matter who's doing it, whatever "it" is. All that matters is whether or not they're able to produce enough of a frenzy in a short enough amount of time to rally and pressure people into caving.

That's why I think it's important to stay calm and not feed the hysteria: the bugmen have way more raw power, but their weakness is their short attention span and the fact they all hate each other, meaning if you can prevent them from gaining momentum quickly they'll all wander away or turn on each other, and you'll win by attrition. Discipline and unity is how you win against the modern establishment (which is exactly why they promote hedonism and identity politics).

I have a standing challenge to have a bout against any troon and/or retard who wants to come down and enact righteous vengeance in the ring, but no one has taken me up on it.

Uh, physical combat is transphobic because brave transexuals have to eat doordash and take hormones to cope with gender dysphoria.

Plus, I mean...do you really want to touch these people? They're going to get their crotch wound drainage on you.

 

[libRT]

I think Null has said multiple times something along the lines of "Watching someone fall over is funny, but kicking their legs out from under them isn't as fun" I think that's roughly how most feel about it here.

 

[Stephanie Bustcakes]

I think Null has said multiple times something along the lines of "Watching someone fall over is funny, but kicking their legs out from under them isn't as fun" I think that's roughly how most feel about it here.

Except for the morons on the Patrick Tomlinson thread, who constantly provoke and harass Patrick in the most weeny and aloggy ways possible. I don't know why it's tolerated there.

 

[Aria]

I've been on the farms for 3 years now.when I see users threatning violence against a cow they usually get banned or told to knock it off with their behaviour.

 

[Orange Man Costume]

Lucas supposedly had all sorts of media connections, and bragged about such to Hotwheels, who then leaked it, Lucas also seems to be somewhat familiar with doxing and swatting, particularly to others, based on all the god-complex tweets they keep deleting, and the discord leaks.

So rather than the usual boring speculation, how about a wild theory? Lucas self-swatted, was already primed to use their media connections to self-market as the leader of transgenders (which happened very rapidly and very unanimously), a very lucrative place to be, especially if they have access to charity money, the big gofundme payout being a nice bonus, but that's nothing compared to what Lucas stands to gain in the future.

In this theory, Lucas falsely took credit for Destiny's ban to bait his community, setting up Destiny as the future media target, KF shows up at the wrong time, starts digging up dirt (discord grooming, fart porn, etc), in a publicly accessible thread, and becomes the new target.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Except for the morons on the Patrick Tomlinson thread, who constantly provoke and harass Patrick in the most weeny and aloggy ways possible. I don't know why it's tolerated there.

I remember Boomia got drummed out for cow-tipping and admitting it in-thread. I remember it was a bit of an autistic slapfight, but the message to the ONA guys was "Don't admit to tipping the cow on the Farms, and we'll look the other way because it's occasionally hilarious." (The Lizard King was hilarious; fight me). Sometimes, they even get useful information, like how Patrick's refusal to pay Quasi is because he can't pay.

The problem, though, is it's leading Patrick to false flag himself to try and get sympathy out of Twitter, sales for his books, and more recently, a Twitter army to sic on ONA (it's not working.) It also leads people to SWAT Patrick, which is stupid and gay. Patrick self-destructing is funny. Patrick being shot by the cops is not.

 

[F13 Key]

Keffals couldn't dox her local Arby's if they were offering three for one sliders. This is the same person who alt-tabbed into showing the TMZ zoom link, her editor's email address and info, and can't figure out how to get her own microphone working properly half the time.

Some keffals orbiters like ching chong jones have enough knowledge to set up brute force login attacks against a site with no 2FA or captcha, and a lot of keffals audience is edgy teenage troons and NEETs who have nothing to do but sit around all day. The site has plenty of upset cows and their pals who have technical skills and any of them could be doing it while taking advantage of the media hysteria around the site.

It's probably pointless to bother with much speculation as to who is responsible or why, as unless someone fucks up, we'll never know. We could speculate all day and never figure it out, eventually becoming a bunch of shaky internet boomers blurting out "I KNOW! NULL FEDPOSTED TO DESTROY THE FARMS HIMSELF!" in line at CVS to refill our lithium prescription. Better to let cows start duking it out amongst themselves as more than one inevitably starts falsely taking credit.

 

[CapricornusRex]

Lucas supposedly had all sorts of media connections, and bragged about such to Hotwheels, who then leaked it, Lucas also seems to be somewhat familiar with doxing and swatting, particularly to others, based on all the god-complex tweets they keep deleting, and the discord leaks.

So rather than the usual boring speculation, how about a wild theory? Lucas self-swatted, was already primed to use their media connections to self-market as the leader of transgenders (which happened very rapidly and very unanimously), a very lucrative place to be, especially if they have access to charity money, the big gofundme payout being a nice bonus, but that's nothing compared to what Lucas stands to gain in the future.

In this theory, Lucas falsely took credit for Destiny's ban to bait his community, setting up Destiny as the future media target, KF shows up at the wrong time, starts digging up dirt (discord grooming, fart porn, etc), in a publicly accessible thread, and becomes the new target.

Lucas wasn't swatted. They police showed up and knocked on the door. Unless this part has been debunked, they had a warrant, took his phone and his HDs and cloned them to investigate.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

Even in this article which is fairly positive towards us says we "enable harassment". We enable harassment, swatting, doxing, etc as much as any other social media platform. It's a bullshit claim and it makes no sense. It's like saying; "KiwiFarms is bad because it lets users post there" or "They could become a database for FBI agents". Like most of the claims, it's labeling us as evil for something that is true of all social media platforms.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Given Keffal's internet knowledge (e.g. how to get DIY hormones from Brazil)

Damn what a hacker. It took me five minutes to find a Brazilian pharmacy that ships estradiol valerate to the US.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Damn what a hacker. It took me five minutes to find a Brazilian pharmacy that ships estradiol valerate to the US.

Black market estrogen? Or ingredients to mix in your tub?

 

[Crunk Sneedler]

This is what the troons keep calling "stochastic terrorism" - stochastic meaning roughly random, unpredictable, statistical. This is the idea that the Farms raises the statistical likelihood that someone, somewhere, sometime will eventually get hurt because of something on here. Anytime a thing isn't really real enough for their purpose, they make up brand new jargon and repeat it at every opportunity until presto! one day it's a real thing. Y'know, like "trans woman". You can tell it's real because a lot of people are talking about it and it's in the news.

So this is beyond Minority Report. They aren't even predicting that the farms itself will do anything. They're predicting that slipping Kiwi Farms into the timeline - like into the causal chain of events that began at the world's dawn - raises the odds - that some unknown bad thing will happen at some point in the future. You can think of endless similar examples - such as driving a car, or keeping steak knives in the house - that almost nobody cares about at all. For some good fun, try having a conversation about "stochastic self-rape" in which a tart gets tarted up and walks alone at 12am, thereby increasing the likelihood a crime will be committed.

So it's just a distraction. They're frustrated beyond their own coping skills that the U.S. doesn't have hate speech laws. They know all their allies, including almost all of the press, will eat this up. On the "How is this legal" page Josh points out that websites can't do anything. They're just there. Digitized text and pictures. Books can't do anything but sit there. Guns normally don't do anything but sit there. This is yet another ploy by Utopians crying for their Fully Automated Gay Space Communism, to try to wrest control of reality and bend it to their will. Since there's no law being broken, and since websites can't attack people, they make up words and spin complicated concepts and political arguments.

If you strip away the particulars, they're agitating for totalitarianism, thinking they're going to be the rulers. S'what you get when you think far leftism will work out this time 'cause we learned our lesson from the other times when it ended in genocide and horror. Left authoritarians have always depended heavily on memory holing. Orwell had endless incisive things to say about this. Though I kind of doubt these useful retards realize what they're actually doing. It's possible they're small-minded enough to just want their own incriminating threads down.

 

[robobobo]

Like I said, I've only ever seen people heap scorn on those trying to a-log, but I've gotta be honest, outside of Chris I've rarely given enough of a fuck about a cow to really follow their threads. Mostly I'm on the farms for general pop culture stuff like games and movies, except I can call someone a niggerfaggot if I want to. And if you look at my posts, 99 times out of a hundred, I don't. But it's important to me that I  can and not wind up banned. I'm not thirteen and desperate to be edgy, I'm not a white supremacist by any standard outside of Twitter's, I don't believe weird Alex Jones shit, I am mildly conservative and don't think a man with a wig and girl hormones is a woman. But that is sufficient to get me banned from almost everywhere on the Internet, if not doxed and smeared to try to ruin my income.

 

[MadDisaster]

Lucas supposedly
So rather than the usual boring speculation, how about a wild theory? Lucas self-swatted, was already primed to use their media connections to self-market as the leader of transgenders (which happened very rapidly and very unanimously), a very lucrative place to be, especially if they have access to charity money, the big gofundme payout being a nice bonus, but that's nothing compared to what Lucas stands to gain in the future.

In this theory, Lucas falsely took credit for Destiny's ban to bait his community, setting up Destiny as the future media target, KF shows up at the wrong time, starts digging up dirt (discord grooming, fart porn, etc), in a publicly accessible thread, and becomes the new target.

I really don't think the original "swatting" was self-inflicted. Someone, probably not from the farms, did it, and the tranny was primed to exploit it to the fullest extent. They exaggerated what happened, cried to friendly media, used their following to cause more fuss. I think any subsequent "attacks" were entirely self-inflicted. The ridiculous pizza, the super convenient food, at least one doxing that doesn't seem to have any evidence of it even happening besides the tranny's say so. That's enough to keep attention and get things from small media to media with actual followings, and no ethics beyond generating clicks.

They don't need to do anything but be a shameless opportunist, which is the only skill they've demonstrated they have - they certainly have no charisma or talent as a streamer, no good looks, and can't even successfully make fart porn.

The news reports do make me mati. It's just deeply annoying seeing things you know are false, misinformed, or just ignorant. Unfortunately, there's also no real way to do anything about it as a normie. Comments are seldom allowed, and won't change the content. Complaining does nothing, because it's ignored. Twitter is meaningless if you aren't a blue check, or a chronically online loser with thousands of followers.

Since I'm already blog posting, the thing that annoys me the most is people old enough to remember what the internet used to be like freaking out over what is essentially an old-school internet forum. Fuck, even currently "woke" places like Metafilter didn't bother with much censoring of slurs until like 2015. Reddit certainly wasn't a shining beacon of tolerance and approved language. Even LiveJournal communities used to brigade the fuck out of people, and doxing happened if someone got on the wrong side of people who knew them irl. It's genuinely annoying to see people acting like what is, at worst, an internet throwback is a terrorist site.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Honestly, in the time when the site wasn't available I avoided looking up anything whatsoever related to it, because nobody can adequately defend themselves on corporate platforms and I don't really support the idea of participating to begin with (it's important to remember, the users are both the content and the saleable product for social media sites, and I'll be fucked if I'm going to provide these people either), so it'll just tick you off.


More on topic though, I don't even know which attacks we're referring to. I don't even think the parties or actions are well defined enough to discern who's done what.

And the truth is that it probably doesn't matter who's doing it, whatever "it" is. All that matters is whether or not they're able to produce enough of a frenzy in a short enough amount of time to rally and pressure people into caving.

That's why I think it's important to stay calm and not feed the hysteria: the bugmen have way more raw power, but their weakness is their short attention span and the fact they all hate each other, meaning if you can prevent them from gaining momentum quickly they'll all wander away or turn on each other, and you'll win by attrition. Discipline and unity is how you win against the modern establishment (which is exactly why they promote hedonism and identity politics).


Uh, physical combat is transphobic because brave transexuals have to eat doordash and take hormones to cope with gender dysphoria.

Plus, I mean...do you really want to touch these people? They're going to get their crotch wound drainage on you.

That's what gloves are for.