Science One third of America is ruining Thanksgiving for the rest of us by ignoring COVID-19 — but it's easy to see why they have given up

A traditional Thanksgiving provides a-near perfect recipe for infectious diseases to spread.

People gather indoors, en masse, to cook, eat, drink, laugh, shout, fight, hug, kiss, and exchange air for hours on end. Everyone is exposed to everyone else: the young, the old, family, neighbors, and friends.

This is an ideal environment for the novel coronavirus to run wild and kill people this year.

That is why, while empathetic to our innate desires to mingle, leading public health experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci have said time and time again: Stay home this Thanksgiving if you can, gather outdoors if you must, and keep any interactions with other households brief, small, masked, and well-ventilated.

However, most Americans will not be doing that this Thursday.

A new Insider poll of 1,110 people across the US has found that roughly one third of those (37%) surveyed are not changing anything about how they run Thanksgiving this year. 31% of those asked said the CDC's recommendation not to travel this year had no impact on their plans. Most (57%) are even planning to mix different households at their dinner tables without wearing masks, opening windows, or using fans.

Yes, a third of the country is undermining the collective good faith efforts of everyone else to stay isolated, and keep our medics, essential workers, elders, and other vulnerable individuals safe.

But it would be trite to see this third of the country as malicious people. Everyone is mentally and emotionally exhausted, from going months without "normal" family connections. And they are justifiably frustrated: so many of our leaders, both local and national, have not done near enough within their power yet to prevent this virus's rampant spread across the nation and to deploy solid, evidence-based policies with enough systemic heft to make a dent in the pandemic.

So, let's not direct our ire at our neighbors who may not be doing the right thing around the table this year. But, at the same time, don't let their indifference to the virus infect your home. You could truly save someone's life if you avoid big Thanksgiving celebrations until 2021.

Canadian Thanksgiving seeded more spread of the virus there in October.

In Wuhan, Thanksgiving-like gatherings of tens of thousands of families sharing potluck meals for Lunar New Year in January ignited the virus too.

But the fact that the US is completely in the red already when it comes to new coronavirus infections means this will likely be the deadliest holiday gathering the world has seen during this pandemic.

Americans are tired and confused​

After more than nine months of conflicting messages, unclear guidance, and indecision about the virus, it's understandable that Americans would be tired and confused.

The virus situation in the US is near-impossible to contact trace, in many places it's still very difficult to get a test, and neither vaccines nor decent treatments to help quell the virus are here yet.

We've been asked — for many, many months on end — to voluntarily stay away from our relatives, cancel big weddings, parties, and holiday plans, in order to be good sports during the pandemic. But, at the same time, we've witnessed very conflicting and confusing policy decisions, which have done more to keep people comfortable as temperatures tumble, rather than focusing on what's safest, or best. Many bars and restaurants are still open, while schools are closed, making pandemic restrictions feel uselessly frustrating and pointless.

Add in a sprinkling of American exceptionalism, and it's easy to see why Thanksgiving has not been cancelled for so many.

"As a country we've been raised to believe that we do our own thing," former CDC outbreak investigator and Osmosis CMO Dr. Rishi Desai recently told Insider.

"If you're not in the ICU yourself, you don't see this as a big deal. What you notice is that it's affecting your life. You're bored, you're tired, you're lonely, and that's your experience. And so people act on their experience much more than they act on ration, reason, logic, data."

One doctor says he doesn't blame patients for doing Thanksgiving as normal this year, he blames our leaders​

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Health care worker Elizabeth Cameros, right, administers a deep nasal coronavirus test to traveler Wade Hopkins at a COVID-19 testing station at LAX on Monday, November 23, 2020 in Los Angeles, California. Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images
Dr. Eli Perencevich, an infectious disease specialist in Iowa City recently told Insider that many of his patients told him they will be doing Thanksgiving as normal this week, with extended family, and without masks. And yet, many of them have heart disease and emphysema, health conditions that doctors like him know can make the virus life-threatening.

He worries that these Thanksgiving celebrations could be the patients' last; it is pretty likely the coronavirus will be present at family dinner tables, given the current spread of the virus throughout the US. It is reasonable to expect that some of these people will die after their Thanksgiving meals end.

As Dr. Henry Walke, the CDC's COVID-19 incident manager, said on a call with reporters last week: "One of your family members, from coming together in this family gathering, actually could end up being hospitalized and severely ill and die."

But Dr. Perencevich doesn't fault his patients.

The blame, he says, lies with public officials, who haven't made it clear how to stay safe during the pandemic, or provided the good leadership, testing, and contact tracing required to squash the virus down across the US.

"It's just devastating that we're in this point where folks have gotten mixed messages, and a lot of people are getting sick because of it," Perencevich said.

He noted how politicians and local health authorities have too often let bars remain open when cases are exploding, and made it perfectly defensible for people to walk around indoors in public places without masks.

"It's going to get worse for the next weeks, no matter what we do, but we're not really turning the ship at all," he said. "So it looks like it's going to just keep getting worse."

Holding out for a big Thanksgiving in 2021 will be worth the wait​

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Elian McCrosky greets his grandparents, Rebecca and Randy Wells, at baggage claim at John Wayne Airport in Santa Ana, California, on Monday, November 23, 2020. The Wells are visiting from South Carolina for Thanksgiving. Jeff Gritchen/MediaNews Group/Orange County Register via Getty Images
The truth is, holding off on big gatherings, for now, still has life-saving benefits.

By Thanksgiving 2021, it's likely every adult in the US will have already had access to very safe, effective coronavirus vaccines. Treatments for the virus may improve too, making any illnesses contracted then less deadly and debilitating than they are right now.

So if you're part of the 10% of people who said they are going to bundle up and eat outside this year, the 17% of people who said they're going to open windows and increase ventilation at the Thanksgiving table, the 38% who aren't mixing it up with any other households this Thursday, or the 19% who canceled their turkey dinner plans, know that you're doing a good thing for your country, and that the sacrifice won't last forever.

"2021 is going to be a much, much better year," Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's school of public health, told Insider.

"My best guess is sometime late summer to fall [2021], you can spend time with somebody else and not feel that anxiety that we all feel right now. It's less than a year away."

About our polling: SurveyMonkey Audience polls from a national sample balanced by age and gender. Our polling data collected 1,110 respondents surveyed on November 21 and 22. All polls carried approximately a 3% margin of error.
 
Oh, I didn't realize the government was my mom, and, apparently, I have to ask it for permission to hang out with my friends, or celebrate holidays with my family. I thought I was a grown adult, who could make those type of decisions on my own. Guess I was wrong. Please, Daddy Government, tell me how many friends I'm allowed to invite over without punishment. Tell me the acceptable way to celebrate a holiday with my family. My mind is a blank slate, and I can only do what an authority figure tells me
 
You know, if rioting wasn't allowed for the portion of 2020, maybe people would be more understanding of limited gatherings.

Try to have a small Thanksgiving. Take precautions. Words like that would be understandable.

But no, leaders PUSHED that you don't travel, don't celebrate Thanksgiving, DON'T see your family. Otherwise, YOU'D be responsible for COVID.

But they have free reign to do whatever they want.

I knew these travel restrictions wouldn't be taken seriously come the holidays. I can't quite blame some people.
 
Maybe if the meme flu actually was a super deadly disease the people would have taken it much more serious.
It is obvious at this point that it is just being used to beat the people into submission while the economy fucks them over.

A new Insider poll of 1,110 people across the US has found that roughly one third of those (37%) surveyed are not changing anything about how they run Thanksgiving this year. 31% of those asked said the CDC's recommendation not to travel this year had no impact on their plans. Most (57%) are even planning to mix different households at their dinner tables without wearing masks, opening windows, or using fans.
That number is depressed because people are afraid to voice their non politically correct/low status opinions.
Urbanite bugmen can now flex their virtues, because they didn't even had a family to meet with and now being a braindead consumer is like a good thing for the "common good".

"2021 is going to be a much, much better year," Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's school of public health, told Insider.
What a beautiful anglo name.
 
You know, if rioting wasn't allowed for the portion of 2020, maybe people would be more understanding of limited gatherings.

Try to have a small Thanksgiving. Take precautions. Words like that would be understandable.

But no, leaders PUSHED that you don't travel, don't celebrate Thanksgiving, DON'T see your family. Otherwise, YOU'D be responsible for COVID.

But they have free reign to do whatever they want.

I knew these travel restrictions wouldn't be taken seriously come the holidays. I can't quite blame some people.

That's because even some of the politicians who have been the most virulently for lockdown restrictions have flagrantly violated them themselves and the media by and large only gave them a wrist slap for being so brazen. Screw the lot of them and their so-called "rules".
 
That's because even some of the politicians who have been the most virulently for lockdown restrictions have flagrantly violated them themselves and the media by and large only gave them a wrist slap for being so brazen. Screw the lot of them and their so-called "rules".
That's what irks me especially about America's handling of Coronavirus.

This is a virus that took a lot by surprise, with the death toll rising each day.

I understand precautions. But a virus doesn't care if you're protesting, "protesting," ordering, policing or eating. It can affect ANYBODY.

Having these politicians enact draconian guidelines with no logic just because they can isn't helping matters.

On the other side of the coin, you have people call COVID a "hoax" despite the clear asymptotic nature of said virus and do what they want.

The average person just wants to be with family, work for a living and live their life.
 
Everyone who isn't already totally over it will be when the holidays and special events that got cancelled in 2020 are also cancelled in 2021. For instance, does anyone seriously think this mess will be considered 'solved' by the powers-that-be come Easter 2021? That's only about 4 months away. How different are things right now from how they were 4 months ago? Not very, in fact in many places restrictions have tightened. There's no way they aren't going to tell everyone to skip Easter again, or hell, St. Patrick's day even before that. Probably high school proms and graduations too. The whole 'it's just for one year, don't be selfish' thing will go out the window.
 
How much money would you bet that Black Friday will be packed?

Everyone who isn't already totally over it will be when the holidays and special events that got cancelled in 2020 are also cancelled in 2021. For instance, does anyone seriously think this mess will be considered 'solved' by the powers-that-be come Easter 2021? That's only about 4 months away. How different are things right now from how they were 4 months ago? Not very, in fact in many places restrictions have tightened. There's no way they aren't going to tell everyone to skip Easter again, or hell, St. Patrick's day even before that. Probably high school proms and graduations too. The whole 'it's just for one year, don't be selfish' thing will go out the window.
Human interaction is very important. Now it's taken away.
 
The "hoax" is the part where politicians have been going "do as I say, not as I do".

Exactly. If the politicians and media actually abided by the rules they expect the rest of us peons to follow, we would have been more likely to follow their examples, but they haven't. They have themselves to blame.

Edit : No idea why this thing is adding an "enter" if I italicized the word actually so I'm leaving that word alone.
 
How much money would you bet that Black Friday will be packed?


Human interaction is very important. Now it's taken away.
Blue states don't care since Biden will bail them (and only them) out. They can finally starve out those damn flyover states! After al, food only comes from the grocery stores. Those hicks don't do anything important.
 
That's what irks me especially about America's handling of Coronavirus.

This is a virus that took a lot by surprise, with the death toll rising each day.

I understand precautions. But a virus doesn't care if you're protesting, "protesting," ordering, policing or eating. It can affect ANYBODY.

Having these politicians enact draconian guidelines with no logic just because they can isn't helping matters.

On the other side of the coin, you have people call COVID a "hoax" despite the clear asymptotic nature of said virus and do what they want.

The average person just wants to be with family, work for a living and live their life.

Everyone who isn't already totally over it will be when the holidays and special events that got cancelled in 2020 are also cancelled in 2021. For instance, does anyone seriously think this mess will be considered 'solved' by the powers-that-be come Easter 2021? That's only about 4 months away. How different are things right now from how they were 4 months ago? Not very, in fact in many places restrictions have tightened. There's no way they aren't going to tell everyone to skip Easter again, or hell, St. Patrick's day even before that. Probably high school proms and graduations too. The whole 'it's just for one year, don't be selfish' thing will go out the window.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how never encountering this virus by locking yourself in your house will magically make it so you can't get it when you leave the house. Odd how no one seems to want to mention that if you lock everyone up then there's no chance of natural immunity forming which means the cases go up everytime lockdowns are lifted which leads to more lockdowns because the cases go up.

Weird how centuries of virology knowledge seemed to fly right out the window and create this extremely convenient catch 22 hmm?
 
The "hoax" is the part where politicians have been going "do as I say, not as I do".

Exactly. If the politicians and media actually abided by the rules they expect the rest of us peons to follow, we would have been more likely to follow their examples, but they haven't. They have themselves to blame.

Edit : No idea why this thing is adding an "enter" if I italicized the word actually so I'm leaving that word alone.
The hypocrisy and ignorance is what gets me about COVID.

They've politicized a legitimate concern and threat, it's almost a joke at this point.

Tell that to the nurses, the people losing their jobs, separated families that it's THEIR fault COVID is spreading.
 
You know, if rioting wasn't allowed for the portion of 2020, maybe people would be more understanding of limited gatherings.
No no. That was fine. They wore masks. I like saw it on the news. So it was totes ok.
Everyone who isn't already totally over it will be when the holidays and special events that got cancelled in 2020 are also cancelled in 2021. For instance, does anyone seriously think this mess will be considered 'solved' by the powers-that-be come Easter 2021? That's only about 4 months away. How different are things right now from how they were 4 months ago? Not very, in fact in many places restrictions have tightened. There's no way they aren't going to tell everyone to skip Easter again, or hell, St. Patrick's day even before that. Probably high school proms and graduations too. The whole 'it's just for one year, don't be selfish' thing will go out the window.
That's the thing. It isn't going away. SARS 2 CoV19 is here forever. Just like the other human coronaviruses that we just brush off as the cold. We are going to have to learn to live with it eventually. There is no making it go away.

That people still are wedded to the "we can solve it with masks" and the promise of magical vaccines that work 100% of the time means they aren't ready to accept it yet. So we are going to keep doing this shit until the rest of society loudly tells them to get the fuck over themselves and their fears.
 
Probably high school proms and graduations too
Hey I got double cucked with that, no graduation and all they did was turn the friggin lights on. I still haven't had a make up party for that shit because no one can get their fucks in a line and fix this shit.
Human interaction is very important. Now it's taken away.
Not like I had any anyways, but now living in a new city with no friends and none of your old ones will give you time of fucking day, it's fucking balls hard.
Maybe if the meme flu actually was a super deadly disease the people would have taken it much more serious.
The only people who've died are the already compromised?
These disingenuous faggots are going to cancel Christmas too just so they can make sure everyone is miserable until Orange Man Gad is out of office. God forbid what happens if he somehow manages to stop Biden getting into office.
No one is cancelling fucking christmas on my watch.
You know, if rioting wasn't allowed for the portion of 2020, maybe people would be more understanding of limited gatherings.
Point! That, Newsome being able to do fuck he wants and Fauci most likely sniffing coke off of a stripper's asshole most of the time.
 
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