Law Ottawa will not challenge Quebec's law allowing advance requests for MAID - Government to have Canada-wide consultation before amending Criminal Code

CBC News · Posted: Oct 28, 2024 5:43 PM ADT

Minister of Health Mark Holland says he cannot ‘direct a province how it's going to administer its judicial system.’ Starting on Oct. 30, Quebec plans to begin accepting requests for assisted dying before a person’s condition renders them incapable of giving consent.

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Federal Health Minister Mark Holland says Ottawa will not be contesting Quebec's law that allows advance requests for medical assistance in dying (MAID).

Instead, the federal government will launch a countrywide consultation on the issue next month, with a report set to be published in March 2025.

The province passed a law updating its assisted-dying legislation last year, but delayed accepting advance requests so that the Criminal Code could be amended.

But last week, Quebec announced it would go ahead with accepting advance requests for MAID in cases where a person's condition, such as Alzheimer's, renders them incapable of giving consent at a later date.

Quebec will accept those requests as of Oct. 30.

The federal government has repeatedly expressed concern about Quebec moving forward before it modifies the Criminal Code.


The province is moving forward with its plan to allow early requests for assisted dying, known as MAID. But the federal government has expressed concern about Quebec going ahead with this before it modifies the Criminal Code.

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Monday, Holland said his grandmother had lived with Alzheimer's for 15 years after she was diagnosed when he was a boy.

"This is an issue that is incredibly sensitive, that I don't think there are very many lives that haven't been touched by it," Holland said.

"And I can tell you as a family that the early stages of Alzheimer's were still a period of real joy for me as a kid because I still got to spend time with my grandmother and as that disease progressed, she became in a bedridden state … and that that was deeply painful for our family. And so I think that we need time to have a conversation about those issues."

Holland said the pursuit of criminal charges for assisted dying is overseen by provincial law enforcement and reiterated that advance requests are still considered an offence according to Canada's Criminal Code.

Quebec has instructed its prosecutor's office to not pursue charges against doctors who process those requests, publishing online guidelines for patients and physicians.

On Thursday, Sonia Bélanger, the Quebec minister responsible for seniors, said the province had conducted a "rigorous" assessment of how the new rules will be applied, and will move ahead without Ottawa.

"In the case of MAID, we have never waited for the federal government," she told reporters in Quebec City.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ottawa-looking-into-maid-advance-1.7365868

https://archive.ph/2WuQu

 

[Topaz Eyes]

Sorry for the bold and italics. I tried to use italics and then bold and italics wouldn't come off on only half the text.

What does everyone think of MAID by advanced request? Is it unethical? Discriminatory to people with disabilities? Ageist?

Or is it a good step for bodily autonomy and a great advancement for the system? Would you want this for yourself?

 

[Clotso Coof]

This only makes sense for a predictably advancing dementia disease like Alzheimers, where you know your mind will melt in the near future. It's fatal and inescapable.

HOWEVER, you know this is just the beginning in Canada. Once they do this, they'll expand it and expand it until you're pressured to sign a paper at age 65 that says "kill me someday when I get sick".

 

[isalaide]

I would absolutely draw up such an advance directive for myself if it was legal here. It may well become so; legislation is on the timetable currently.

The relatives I had who suffered from Alzheimer's died like frightened animals, howling in pain and distress, no longer even verbal. I won't be doing that if it is in any way in my power to avoid that.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Sorry for the bold and italics. I tried to use italics and then bold and italics wouldn't come off on only half the text.

What does everyone think of MAID by advanced request? Is it unethical? Discriminatory to people with disabilities? Ageist?

Or is it a good step for bodily autonomy and a great advancement for the system? Would you want this for yourself?

Knowing Canada, this will just be Aktion T4 but in the 21st century. Or maybe they will turn into Logan's Run

 

[WonderWino]

But last week, Quebec announced it would go ahead with accepting advance requests for MAID in cases where a person's condition, such as Alzheimer's, renders them incapable of giving consent at a later date.

This is murder, as literal as murder gets. If they are incapable of giving consent at a later date then they're already at the point where they can't understand having given it previously, nor capable of consenting to it now. So either you are lying to them/not telling them you're doing this to keep them from flipping out - which is all kinds of ethical and can't possibly be legal, or you're forcing it on them when they are past the point of even being able to consent to it. Thats blatant murder. What do these retards plan on doing if the patient refuses to consent of flips out over it when they are trying to do it? What are they going to do if the fucking family contests the validity of these requests citing the provable fact they can't consent anymore and don't even know what the fuck is going on? Cause this is crossing well into legit holding a mentally ill person down and explicitly murdering them territory. Are they going to try to claim the patient can't consent anymore so they can't say no to it either? That their wishes now are overridden by their previous authorization? They have it both ways

This isn't a living will for somebody on life support in a coma we're talking about here, this is killing someone who by all accounts can't consent to it at the time which by definition means they can't understand whats being done to them at that point either. In most circumstances its not even legal to execute actual murderers under those kinds of circumstances due to diminished capacity and laws protecting people under those circumstances

Any reasonable person with the smallest bit of common sense would recognize this as murder. The government refuses to file charges against medical staff involved? Wait until they try it on the wrong person and the family sues over it. They could go after everyone involved, including the government for everything from failing to enforce laws against murder and laws that explicitly are supposed to protect vulnerable patients from insanity like this, to human rights violations and medical ethics violations. Doctors are fundamentally not permitted to be involved in something like this, they can't even be involved directly in executions. I'd have the medical licenses of anyone involved in one of these cases pulled in ten seconds flat and then go after them for everything they had and then demand they be prosecuted for murder

Even actual nazis involved in aktion T4 had more sense than this. They at least acknowledged the situation and reasons for doing what they were doing. Even they would tell people this is retarded

 

[Dizzydent]

I think you're over doing it man. We are talking about people in comas and on terminal life support. No one is going to hold you down and kill you while you try to scream no even if you signed one of these forms. Plus it's usually at the discretion of the family who usually have the best intentions for their dying relatives.

I personally think MAID should be available for the homeless and people who just happen to have a terrible quality of life. That's just my opinion and I know it's a really touchy subject that I don't want to wade too deep into cause everyone on both sides has a valid opinion on it.

I just know for at least myself I would like to go while I still have my wits about me in a comfortable setting and not as some crazy person screaming and pushing a shopping cart around the street, die homeless in the dead of winter, no thanks.

 

[Topaz Eyes]

What do these retards plan on doing if the patient refuses to consent of flips out over it when they are trying to do it?

I believe that happened in a Dutch case, the woman tried to fight the doctor so he got the family to hold the woman down while he slipped the drugs in her coffee. Some people think she was fighting for her life but other people think it was the common behavioral issues in advanced dementia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/11/dutch-court-clears-doctor-in-landmark-euthanasia-trial

https://archive.ph/TRbnH

Cause this is crossing well into legit holding a mentally ill person down and explicitly murdering them territory.

Small correction, this advanced request stuff is mostly for Alzheimer's which is a neurodegenerative disease not a mental illness. Mental illnesses can be recovered from with treatment but dementia only gets worse.

 

[Bloodfeast Island Man]

It sounds great but since they'd rather offer you suicide than install a wheelchair lift, this is gonna snowball. When, not if.

 

[DeathfatFag]

Getting closed to TCD

 

[Clotso Coof]

this is gonna snowball. When, not if.

Especially when they have a bunch of old white people and a bunch of young brown immigrants, all competing for the same apartments and medical care.

Who do you think the government will back: 80 yr old Marie L'French-Canadian, who paid taxes for 50 yrs before retiring, or 25 yr old Muhammad and his wife and five kids who just showed up from Afghanistan?

 

[Topaz Eyes]

Who do you think the government will back: 80 yr old Marie L'French-Canadian, who paid taxes for 50 yrs before retiring, or 25 yr old Muhammad and his wife and five kids who just showed up from Afghanistan?

Of course dysgenic Muslims won't utilize MAiD. Yet another way they're incompatible with our culture.

 

[Echo_Doge]

While it sounds good on paper, they're basically making sure that once you sign that paper, you're effectively dead.

You can't back out of it and they get to decide when "It's time"

They're making it so even if you're saying "It's rough, but I want a few more years, I'm not ready to go yet", they can say "Nope, in our medical opinion, you're too far gone. Bye."

There are a lot of reasons this kinda stuff wasn't passed in most civilized countries and Canada is about to demonstrate all of them.

 

[Vanilla Flavor]

I can't disagree in this singular case. Brain cancer tore through my grandfather in less than a year and was very tough to endure, afterwards we decided as a family in the case of dementia we would expedite the process.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

While it sounds good on paper, they're basically making sure that once you sign that paper, you're effectively dead.

The federal Parliamentary Budget Officer for years has already been publishing reports that TKing five figure useless eaters saves the gov something like 70 million annually.

The problem is that Trudeau's already given that away by lunch to some WEF initiative advocating for pansexual POCs in Somalia to stop shitting on the beach.

 

[Echo_Doge]

I can't disagree in this singular case. Brain cancer tore through my grandfather in less than a year and was very tough to endure, afterwards we decided as a family in the case of dementia we would expedite the process.

That's the thing: It should be like you're saying; between the patient and, if the patient is incapable, the family.

They're trying to get people to sign over that choice entirely to the government. Cutting the family and even the patient themselves out of the equation.

I wouldn't want any government, let alone the fucking Canadian government, have that choice instead of me or my family.

 

[Vanilla Flavor]

I wouldn't want any government, let alone the fucking Canadian government, have that choice instead of me or my family.

Agreed, the elephant in the room ultimately is that the Canadian government stands to benefit for every MAIDing and in another thread here there's the testimonial of two doctors with 400 confirmed assists, they're too biased.

Situations like this should go through a bio-ethics committee in case by case basis, government prosecutors are not qualified to handle care for any patient.

In conclusion: Canada creeps me out.

 

[Thiletonomics]

The federal Parliamentary Budget Officer for years has already been publishing reports that TKing five figure useless eaters saves the gov something like 70 million annually.

I'm surprised that Canada hasn't released statistics on estimate amount of reduced lifetime carbon emissions from the useless eaters getting disappeared, yet.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Agreed, the elephant in the room ultimately is that the Canadian government stands to benefit for every MAIDing and in another thread here there's the testimonial of two doctors with 400 confirmed assists, they're too biased.

My local paper has stories about brand new long-term care homes literally permanently hiring unqualified randos off the street with no experience, training or credentials to undercut the personal support workers who are supposed to be providing a few minutes a day of care to the warehoused elderly for a few bucks above minimum wage.

So your loved ones are being neglected and abused by layman randos who are somehow willing to work for cheaper to fill positions that even the 3 million imported pajeets won't do.

You don't want the sociopathic monsters at the top of these pyramids being the ones deciding when your time is up.

 

[Safir]

This is murder, as literal as murder gets. If they are incapable of giving consent at a later date then they're already at the point where they can't understand having given it previously, nor capable of consenting to it now.

I'm all for murdering the demented, at this point they aren't people, never will be, and can be put down.

I just don't trust the government (especially the Canadian government) to determine who is demented.

Plus it doesn't say "dementia", it says "a condition that renders them incapable of giving consent", which is open-ended. The rapists can whip up an "oppositional defiant disorder" when you are "incapable of giving consent to getting murdered" (because you don't want to get murdered) and murder you. (Behead the rapists.)