Paedophillia and how to deal with it

[Meatman]

So everyone hates paedophiles, right?
Hunting down kiddie fiddlers and delivering swift justice to them is something everyone would like to do, but here's the issue.
Some people believe that there should be paedophile conversion therapy/ centres for people who need help with that stuff.
On the other hand, some believe we should just lock them all up and throw away the key.

What are your thoughts, Kiwi Farms?

 

[KatsuKitty]

The rationalist in me says that inactive paedophiles have an illness and need treatment, while the savage in me wants to go on a "God Bless America" world tour of sex offenders if I ever get cancer. So, I dunno.

 

[Connor Bible]

The only cure for pedophilia is a bullet to the brain, preceded by castration without anesthesia.

 

[Sanshain]

I think that pedophilia is an unfortunate mental condition, but one that can be dealt with. I do not believe pedophilia is a valid sexual orientation or anything biochemical, but I do think that some people are simply more inclined to feel certain sexual impulses than others. However, in my opinion calling yourself a pedophile - active, in denial, or anything in between - is ultimately nothing but self-condemnation. There very act of calling yourself a pedophile is an admission that it is a part of your self-identity, which does nothing but allow your own psyche to give it more attention than is normal. If you sincerely have no intention of predating on children below a certain age threshold - even if you may at times feel sexual desires towards them - the absolute worst thing you can do is assign that part of your personality more relevance, thought and attention than it requires beyond working to ignore it. If you think you might act on these feelings or they trouble you on an emotional level, seek professional help. Sexual desires - no matter how powerful - do not need to be acted on. You do not need to satiate them. If a man can live his entire life without engaging in perfectly healthy sexual relations with a consenting woman, people with unhealthy sexual tendencies are just as capable of emulating that behavior.

To sum my opinion up as succinctly as possible, I think pedophilia is an illness, but one a person has to choose to indulge in. Given society's attitude towards pedophilia, a person who indulges in it has to consciously make a choice to break taboo, to engage in an illicit behavior that requires detailed forethought and planning to pull off.

That said, there are some people who are genuinely mentally ill, and pedophilia is just one facet of their illness. These people need mental help, just like any other person with a similar but less socially stigmatized disorder.

 

[Meatman]

I think that if a paedophile has not got any CP on their computer and hasn't acted on their impulses, they should seek mental help.
However, if they DO have CP on their computer and/or acted on their impulses, then its off to Big Bubba's Showertime Jail cell they go.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I take the same position on pedophilia as I do on other crimes
If someone has a mental illness that causes them o get a tendency to commit a crime then they should be able to get free treatment but it is not the role of the criminal justice system to give that treatment but rather the psychiatric system
If someone commits a crime then regardless of whether they are mentally ill or not they should get a penalty equivalent to or more than what they have gained from the crime so that the Nash Equillibrium is one of them not committing the crime

However I am unsure as to whether pedophilia is a crime in which game theory applies to because I doubt that someone with pedophilia severe enough to molest children even obtains any rational gain from committing the crime. If that is the case then we can say that a severe pedophile (not someone who just has a minor amount of the traits) is unbound by the social contract and has neither obligations nor rights. That means that the police have the ability to simply put down a pedophile in the same way that animal control puts down bears that enter cities.

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

Here's my thoughts.
If someone is a pedophile, they should seek help immediately as possible, and actually try to work on their urges. However, if they flat-out refuse to seek help and try to claim that their "virtuous pedophiles" (I am looking at you Todd Nickerson) or try to justify their pedophilia/child molestation in anyway (I am especially looking at you Sick Nick Bate, Sarah Nyberg, MRZ, and James Terry Mitchell Jr.), I have a major problem with them and they should be locked away.

 

[Hanamura]

If someone is a pedo and hasn't committed any crimes, I feel as if they should be able to get help without having to worry about a therapist judging them or anything of the sort.
If they have committed crimes, send them to fucking jail.

I think forums like virpeds should be monitored though, because it always seems like those fuckers are hyping up being a "virtuous pedo" to hide the fact they probably have mounds of CP hidden away

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

It's a tricky situation and issue. However, we have to break it down by the numbers/stats here.

90% of Pedos are... slightly harmless to wider society. They won't act on their urges but may consume or collect child porn. These collections are to the tune of thousands of images which points to it being an addiction and compulsion as opposed to an abject deviancy. There's an experiment ongoing in Berlin that is teaching coping methods to these individuals by treated it as a mental illness.

The real issue is that remaining 10%. They are the producers they have to actively find and abuse children and record it for "the thrill". These are the deviants who need to be dealt with harshly, if by chemical castration, actual castration, steralization etc. and locking away in dedicated prison facilities to ensure they are isolated from all of society on a permenant basis. They've crossed the rubicon and thus are, in my opinion, irredeemable.

 

[Philosophy Zombie]

90% of Pedos are... slightly harmless to wider society. They won't act on their urges but may consume or collect child porn. These collections are to the tune of thousands of images which points to it being an addiction and compulsion as opposed to an abject deviancy. There's an experiment ongoing in Berlin that is teaching coping methods to these individuals by treated it as a mental illness.

Yeah no, pedos who consume CP aren't harmless at all, that's retarded. The possession and consumption of child porn inherently creates demand for that material and encourages its distribution and creation, which enables the act of child molestation. It's also certainly very traumatizing for the victims as they grow older to realize that their abuse may have been recorded and may continue to be distributed.

You could make a separate argument for pictures depicting kiddy diddling that are only drawn (I'm sure our nigga @TranLord would like to argue its beneficence) but even then I'm not 100% convinced that it wouldn't actually feed into the fetish and make the interest more prominent instead of being suppressed.

 

[SlothInAMilkCrate]

How hard is it for a pedophile to seek treatment with a therapist? I've heard stories where pedophiles have tried therapy, only to be kicked out of the office or reported to law enforcement.

 

[Marvin]

The possession and consumption of child porn inherently creates demand for that material and encourages its distribution and creation, which enables the act of child molestation.

Inherently creates demand? That's a very questionable claim. It would require feedback of some kind to the producers, which definitely doesn't always exist.

 

[OtterParty]

I hope they get castrated and murdered in Alabama

 

[Pepsi-Cola]

Just cut off their Libido tbh. There's no way to "cure" sexual deviancy, you just got to cut off their sexual urges as a whole.

 

[Baobinga]

How hard is it for a pedophile to seek treatment with a therapist? I've heard stories where pedophiles have tried therapy, only to be kicked out of the office or reported to law enforcement.

This is what I've heard as well whenever it's brought up. Its entirely likely there are a lot of people with this mental illness that would otherwise seek help, if they werent so daunted by the fact they would be reported for simply wanting help. Things certainly need to change in this regard so people are able to receive therapy without worrying about this catch-22 of a situation.

 

[SlothInAMilkCrate]

Inherently creates demand? That's a very questionable claim. It would require feedback of some kind to the producers, which definitely doesn't always exist.

How so?

 

[Marvin]

How so?

Demand matters only when you're able to perceive it. If we're talking physical goods, you'll notice when you start running out of stock. But on the internet, things are a lot different.

The serious pedophile rings have sophisticated setups that rely on personal contacts to stay together and stay secure. In those situations, a pedophile would definitely know what kind of demand there is because they are directly interacting with their customers/co-conspirators.

But on the other hand, demand's a lot harder to measure on more casual forums like imageboards or some filesharing protocols.

 

[Meatman]

It's a tricky situation and issue. However, we have to break it down by the numbers/stats here.

90% of Pedos are... slightly harmless to wider society. They won't act on their urges but may consume or collect child porn. These collections are to the tune of thousands of images which points to it being an addiction and compulsion as opposed to an abject deviancy. There's an experiment ongoing in Berlin that is teaching coping methods to these individuals by treated it as a mental illness.

The real issue is that remaining 10%. They are the producers they have to actively find and abuse children and record it for "the thrill". These are the deviants who need to be dealt with harshly, if by chemical castration, actual castration, steralization etc. and locking away in dedicated prison facilities to ensure they are isolated from all of society on a permenant basis. They've crossed the rubicon and thus are, in my opinion, irredeemable.

CP is a major harm to the children in the images. They are probably scared shitless at what is happening to them.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

CP is a major harm to the children in the images. They are probably scared shitless at what is happening to them.

Yeah no, pedos who consume CP aren't harmless at all, that's retarded. The possession and consumption of child porn inherently creates demand for that material and encourages its distribution and creation, which enables the act of child molestation. It's also certainly very traumatizing for the victims as they grow older to realize that their abuse may have been recorded and may continue to be distributed.

I said "slightly" not that they weren't harmless at all, they're not roving around asking kids to hop in their windowless van for candy treats, they're just sat at home downloading things endlessly.

There must be a need to break the producers while treating the consumers. While there is a demand there will thus be a supply. By treating and teaching coping methods to those who can cope, if it is possible to do so, you could potentially break the demand.

The experiment in Berlin to treat non-physically abusive pedophiles is still ongoing but the results could be potentially transformative.

You have to break down both groups ultimately. Simply locking away every "passive" pedophile is just as expensive as treating them for what appears to be more mental illness than sexuality. This is why CP collections tend to be enormous when found, it's a compulsive obsession rather than them hunting down kids and raping them on camera.

This is why the punishment for "active" or "producing" pedophiles should be much more severe than they are even at present, especially if treatment became an option.

Sadly you have to try and step outside of the issue to see possible solutions. You have to break or even mitigate demand before you deal with the supply. This is why one group is potentially easier to deal with than the other.


Nobody likes Pedos except some SJW weirdos and the idiotic leagues and organizations that are trying to legalize it. However, if they're going to try and make themselves prevalent in the mistaken belief that they're "just another sexuality" then we have to think of ways to deal with them other than "hope we find them and lock them away when they fuck up."

 

[DuskEngine]

Demand matters only when you're able to perceive it. If we're talking physical goods, you'll notice when you start running out of stock. But on the internet, things are a lot different.

The serious pedophile rings have sophisticated setups that rely on personal contacts to stay together and stay secure. In those situations, a pedophile would definitely know what kind of demand there is because they are directly interacting with their customers/co-conspirators.

But on the other hand, demand's a lot harder to measure on more casual forums like imageboards or some filesharing protocols.

CP has an annual estimated revenue of about $3 billion. That requires an infrastructure in place to systematically monetise its production and distribution, and the market is a pretty great feedback mechanism.