Philippines PM Duterte to Obama: "Go to Hell"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-arms-idUSKCN12414A


Philippine leader tells Obama 'go to hell', says can buy arms from Russia, China

Philippine leader Rodrigo Duterte on Tuesday told U.S. President Barack Obama to "go to hell" and said the United States had refused to sell some weapons to his country but he did not care because Russia and China were willing suppliers.

In his latest salvo, Duterte said he was realigning his foreign policy because the United States had failed the Philippines and added that at some point, "I will break up with America". It was not clear what he meant by "break up".

During three tangential and fiercely worded speeches in Manila, Duterte said the United States did not want to sell missiles and other weapons, but Russia and China had told him they could provide them easily.

"Although it may sound shit to you, it is my sacred duty to keep the integrity of this republic and the people healthy," Duterte said.

"If you don't want to sell arms, I'll go to Russia. I sent the generals to Russia and Russia said 'do not worry, we have everything you need, we'll give it to you'.

"And as for China, they said 'just come over and sign and everything will be delivered'."

His comments were the latest in a near-daily barrage of hostility toward the United States, during which Duterte has started to contrast the former colonial power with its geopolitical rivals Russia and China.

When asked about Duterte's comments, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said on Tuesday, "Frankly, it seems at odds with the warm relationship that exists between the Filipino and American people and the record of important cooperation between our two governments, cooperation that has continued under the Duterte government."

 

[Male Idiot]

This can end two ways:

Spoiler: Bad ending

Spoiler: Good ending

 

[lolwut]

lol, if some small fry wants to play hardball with the big boys, let him. It'll be all the funnier when he realizes China and Russia see him more as a puppet then we do.

 

[Tranhuviya]

Because the US has never protected it's hemisphere and the Pacific from every crackpot dictator who thinks he can sell us out.

 

[AnOminous]

I hope he enjoys going the way of Chavez.

Because the US has never protected it's hemisphere and the Pacific from every crackpot dictator who thinks he can sell us out.

He's walking a bit of a tightrope here because we're not going to invade just because some pipsqueak talks shit. He also doesn't have any obvious weakness like Noriega that made it at least quasi-justifiable to just go in and basically kidnap him.

 

[Splendid]

This can end two ways:

Spoiler: Bad ending

Spoiler: Good ending

I'm looking for a career change. How well does shilling for Russia pay?

 

[Male Idiot]

I'm looking for a career change. How well does shilling for Russia pay?

Admitting that one empire is just as bad as another and sticks its nose in everything where it does not belong like the internal affairs of other states does not pay.

 

[Beaniebon]

I don't see why these little countries don't just look at history and even modern times and realize it'd be best to avoid getting involved with the big boys.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

This can end two ways:

Spoiler: Bad ending

Spoiler: Good ending

Spoiler: Better ending

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't see why these little countries don't just look at history and even modern times and realize it'd be best to avoid getting involved with the big boys.

That's the best thing, but they were already involved with the big ones. Sometimes you do not have a choice to stay neutral.

 

[Without A Gout]

I'm predicting this dude ends up being Mussolini'd by his own people in about a year or two. Go REEEEEEEEEE at the world, more.

 

[Male Idiot]

I'm predicting this dude ends up being Mussolini'd by US sponsored drug lords in about a year or two. Go REEEEEEEEEE at the world, more.

I corrected it for you.

I did not support Putin messing with Ukraine, and I won't support the US doing the same here.

 

[Beaniebon]

That's the best thing, but they were already involved with the big ones. Sometimes you do not have a choice to stay neutral.

I'd say there is a difference between staying neutral and telling the leader of the most powerful country in the world to go to hell (especially when said government has been outed as shady as fuck over and over again), but you are right. You have to eventually take some side.

Even still, I'd avoid antagonizing other countries as much as possible if I were such a small dog.

 

[Male Idiot]

I'd say there is a difference between staying neutral and telling the leader of the most powerful country in the world to go to hell (especially when said government has been outed as shady as fuck over and over again), but you are right. You have to eventually take some side.

Even still, I'd avoid antagonizing other countries as much as possible if I were such a small dog.

I agree its best not to rile the CIA. However the US was already "having close relations" with them. Apparently another empire offered a better deal and Obama+CO were unwilling to match the better deal. Did Obama ever come to Duterte's defense as an ally should? I really doubt it. And before "but but but Duterte is killing poor druggies" argument is raised, the US is happy and cuddly with Saudi Arabia so they got no moral compass when choosing their allies.

This is not between two neutral partners. This is a vassal that apparently had enough of the US deal. Why the US did not just sweeten the deal I got no idea, they could easily afford it, but I'm sure they think they have a very valid reason for it.

However I think he will NOT ally with China as they got contested waters. There is the slight possibility that he will hand over the territory to China for some boon, but I doubt China would be willing to pay that boon.

So that leaves Russia as the only other viable patron beside the US.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Admitting that one empire is just as bad as another and sticks its nose in everything where it does not belong like the internal affairs of other states does not pay.

So that's why you labeled one side "bad" and one side "good".

 

[Male Idiot]

So that's why you labeled one side "bad" and one side "good".

Well, for me the best would be a balance of power between the US and the Russians. One side being so much stronger than the other as the US is now is not good for balance and for the neutral states. If the US lost its entire army and was severely weakened, it would be just as bad in the opposite way. Russia ruling the world would be as unappealing as the US doing it. I would rather prefer no one state had that kind of power.
If they think they are equal in power, it would also reduce any chance of one of them getting trigger happy over stuff like Syria, especially with tigger happy Hillary in charge.

The US having total world dominance is just as bad as Putin having it and one less ally would be a small step in knocking the US down a few very much needed notches, maybe even stop its "liberation" rampages across the world that send millions of refugees to Eu and destabilize regions possibly for decades.

I do admit I was not totally serious, and I thought my use of American Dad conveyed that. I can not blame you for supporting the US since it is your country, but surely you can not blame me for disliking a state that is rather politically conflicted with mine.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Well, for me the best would be a balance of power between the US and the Russians. One side being so much stronger than the other as the US is now is not good for balance and for the neutral states. If the US lost its entire army and was severely weakened, it would be just as bad in the opposite way. If they think they are equal in power, it would also reduce any chance of one of them getting trigger happy over stuff like Syria.

The US having total world dominance is just as bad as Putin having it and one less ally would be a small step in knocking the US down a few very much needed notches, maybe even stop its "liberation" rampages across the world that send millions of refugees to Eu and destabilize regions possibly for decades.

I do admit I was not totally serious, and I thought my use of American Dad conveyed that. I can not blame you for supporting the US since it is your country, but surely you can not blame me for disliking a state that is rather politically conflicted with mine.

No offense, I was just goofing around a bit.

But I agree, a balance of power - for all the bad things that come with it - at least means neither side is getting too cocky. Though if the cold war is any indication, the "fucking up other countries through proxy wars" might be even worse with a strong Russia. Syria seems to be a bit like such a proxy war. Only they pretend to work against a common foe, but they still end up accidently shooting each other...

To be honest, what I'd like to see with the EU would be a strong and confident approach where they try to be the equal of the USA and Russia, rather than "choosing an overlord".

Well, be that as it may. Philippines telling Obama to "go to hell" is kinda funny, but no matter the circumstances, it's uncalled for and excessive.

I wonder what concessions the Philippines would have to make to China or Russia in order to get weapons? Maybe none at all at the beginning (so as to lure them into a position of dependency)?

It seems it would be a lot smarter to try a more neutral approach. I wonder if this slightly "petulent" attitude of Duterte is just western media making him look ridiculous or if that's actually how he behaves.

Edit:
Also, I'm not from the USA...

 

[Male Idiot]

He does not strike me as a man given to tact any more than Trump is, but I thank you for keeping the discussion this civil, I appreciate it. I also think that the west had been giving him a lot of flak lately in the media, and he may be simply snapping back in the same childish manner.

From what I heard, they don't even want to make it a proxy war any more in Syria and US/Russian relations are getting worse and worse. Honestly as bad as Assad is, leaving him to be may have been the best option.

That's what Orban wants from the Eu. He wants a giant fourth world power beside US, Russia and China. I think it is rather futile but he is dead set on his goal. Europe will never be as united as the three mentioned above.

I think China would want the contested territory, but no nation on Earth really likes to give that up. Russia I think may end up wanting military bases or anti-ICBM defense systems installed in the Phillipines as a favour in return. They are really worried about the US nuclear capability lately.

The neutral approach is the smartest. Look at Canada. They are so akin to the US yet they are not on any terrorist's target list so far as I can tell and neither do they suffer from world wide disdain.

However, the Philippines were already in bed with the US like how the EU is. Breaking away from such a bond without another superpower as a patron is nigh on impossible.

 

[Ineedahero]

"I will break up with America"

"Although it may sound shit to you, it is my sacred duty to keep the integrity of this republic and the people healthy,"

This is the same guy who called himself Hitler. Dude is either very high or very autistic.

 

[Randall Fragg]

Admitting that one empire is just as bad as another and sticks its nose in everything where it does not belong like the internal affairs of other states does not pay.

> Russia
>Not sticking it nose in the internal affairs of other states
Lol