EU Phosgene was detected at Sweden security service HQ, report suggests - Did their diversity hires fucked up something so bad that even tipped off their detectors?

Around 500 people were evacuated from Sweden's security HQ and eight sent to hospital last Friday

Traces of the World War One poison gas phosgene were detected in an incident at Sweden's security service HQ last Friday, official documents suggest.

The information contradicts an earlier statement from Sapo, the security service, which said no gas was detected inside or outside the building.

Hundreds were evacuated from the building and eight sent to hospital.

Phosgene is used to make plastics and pesticides, and was behind most chemical deaths during World War One.

The report suggesting the presence of the dangerous substance came from Stockholm's County Administrative Board and was seen by Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet.

It said: "Emergency services have recorded the substance phosgene (0.6 ppm) and during the meeting, information emerged that these are decreasing measured values."

The substance was recorded by sensors on the roof of the building, it added.

Emergency services reported that the levels of phosgene decreased until they "reached zero", county official Lena Maria Fritzberg told public broadcaster SVT. "Then there was no longer any danger."

Sapo insists that what it said on Friday still holds - that no gas was detected. Speaking to TT news agency, a spokesperson was unable to explain why this appeared to conflict with the county's report.

Intelligence expert Joakim von Braun told TT he believed the most likely explanation for the gas being recorded was a fault with the sensors.

Mr von Braun said it seemed "preposterous" that anyone would deliberately release phosgene.

"I have a hard time seeing the motives behind it."

It is also possible to create phosgene accidentally when a hot metal makes contact with a chlorinated substance.

This could happen, for example, if metal that had been cleaned with chlorine was welded.

A major emergency operation was launched after reports of a strange smell at the headquarters of Sapo, just outside Stockholm city centre, at 12:30 local time (11:30 GMT) last Friday.

The nearest exit of a nearby motorway was closed and barriers were set up hundreds of metres around the premises. Around 500 workers were evacuated.

Six people were sent to hospital with reported breathing problems - including several police officers - and two others admitted themselves. All have since been discharged.

Images from the scene showed police officers wearing gas masks, and a helicopter circled the area. People in buildings nearby were told to shut their windows.

Schoolchildren were kept indoors, a teacher told broadcaster TV4. People who live in the sealed-off zone were refused access to their homes.

First responders ended their operation and removed barriers at about 16:30.

The incident happened as Sweden was about to overcome what should be its last hurdle to joining the Nato alliance - Hungary's parliament ratified the bid on Monday.

In response, Russia says it will monitor Sweden's next steps and adopt "military-technical and other" measures to protect itself.


 
The source of the phosgene was reportedly in the break room, someone had left the fridge open and let their national dish of rotten fish contaminate the site.
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Weird. People taken to hospital with breathing difficulties. Was that real or psychosomatic?
Probably both it could be just allergies or panic attacks 6 out off 500 and all of them immediately discharged. Sounds like anyone showing respiratory distress due to sensors going off was send to the hospital for good measure when it turned out nothing.
 
That they have a dedicated phosgene detector at all is a bit odd. Säpo expecting to get nerve gassed or something, or are such sensors all over western capitals and sensitive places?
Yeah, it's weird. Unless they have multi parameter monitoring devices, and phosgene is just part of a large suite of chemical products that the monitors are sensitive to? That said, the handheld devices I've personally used were programmed to hydrocarbons and metals, and the more complicated chemical analysis were done by chromatography. But I've never worked in the chemical industry, and I've no doubt that there are as many types of real time monitors as there are stars in the sky.

I wonder if what happened was that some people came down with symptoms compatible with chemical poisoning, so the security team suited up and went in with monitors. When they got a positive detection they sent in the pros. There could have been a limited chemical reaction with cleaning agents up on the roof, but by the time the pros got there, the chemicals had evaporated.

Edit: disregard above, I'm talking out of my arse.
 
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There could have been a limited chemical reaction with cleaning agents up on the roof, but by the time the pros got there, the chemicals had evaporated.
Possible yeah. I don’t know if you know Sweden but from my time there most supermarkets don’t actually sell chlorine bleach, inly one brand of very thin stuff. You can buy uk style domestos thick bleach in a few places but the big supermarkets don’t sell it (at all, muh environment) so the idea of some janny swilling domestos around doesn’t quite ring true to me. The only chlorine cleaner you can buy is really watery, and it’s not used much. I’m also not sure why you’d be up on a roof cleaning at the moment either. Stockholm is quite far south so they probably aren’t covered in snow but it’s still cold and miserable and only specialist roof access would be on any rooftop. And they wouldn’t be mopping the place down with domestos.
Just an odd story.
 
Possible yeah. I don’t know if you know Sweden but from my time there most supermarkets don’t actually sell chlorine bleach, inly one brand of very thin stuff. You can buy uk style domestos thick bleach in a few places but the big supermarkets don’t sell it (at all, muh environment) so the idea of some janny swilling domestos around doesn’t quite ring true to me. The only chlorine cleaner you can buy is really watery, and it’s not used much. I’m also not sure why you’d be up on a roof cleaning at the moment either. Stockholm is quite far south so they probably aren’t covered in snow but it’s still cold and miserable and only specialist roof access would be on any rooftop. And they wouldn’t be mopping the place down with domestos.
Just an odd story.
You are absolutely right, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the story as someone who is in the tail-end of summer heat. Also, I didn't know that Sweden had such insanely strict domestic chemical restrictions.

Yeah, you're right, this story is very strange.
 
That they have a dedicated phosgene detector at all is a bit odd. Säpo expecting to get nerve gassed or something, or are such sensors all over western capitals and sensitive places?
To be fair, of all the places I'd expect to have detection equipment for any such threats, a literal security headquarters is a probable candidate. Even if you don't expect to get gassed, having any system you might use anywhere else set up there to monitor, train on, etc is probably a good idea.
 
You are absolutely right, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the story as someone who is in the tail-end of summer heat. Also, I didn't know that Sweden had such insanely strict domestic chemical restrictions.

Yeah, you're right, this story is very strange.
I do t think they’re restricted it’s more that weird Swedish thing where they’re asked nicely to not do something or do something and they all do it. High trust society.
To be fair, of all the places I'd expect to have detection equipment for any such threats, a literal security headquarters is a probable candidate. Even if you don't expect to get gassed, having any system you might use anywhere else set up there to monitor, train on, etc is probably a good idea.
Yeah I guess so. Maybe a slow news day over there.
 
That they have a dedicated phosgene detector at all is a bit odd. Säpo expecting to get nerve gassed or something, or are such sensors all over western capitals and sensitive places?
Those are often part of industrial grade detection systems. Its a somewhat common chemical and used in alot of places.

Weird. People taken to hospital with breathing difficulties. Was that real or psychosomatic?
Thats just Panic attacks after a false positive gas alarm or some detection of trace amounts.
 
Yeah I guess so. Maybe a slow news day over there.
I'd be legitimately surprised if a place like this didn't have detectors simply because of what a sensitive location it is.

As to them being worried about nerve agents... well, the Soviets did have an excellent chemical weapons program during the Cold War. Novichok for example was explicitly designed to bypass NATO's existing detector systems.
 
If this wasn't a simple mistake or something with an innocent reason.... playing with fire and a dangerous game being played. Just asking to get BTFO
 
It is also possible to create phosgene accidentally when a hot metal makes contact with a chlorinated substance.
Watch some idiot troon read that and get the idea to carry out some reddit brained tier attack at a school by trying to dump a bunch of hot metal into the schools pool hoping to gas everyone instead of doing a shooting
 
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Could be HVAC work where they didn't do the nitrogen flush.
Anecdotally: The redneck way of detecting an AC leak I've seen used is smoke while you're inspecting it and when you start coughing you found the leak.
Yup. Not many places there have US type temp control, it’s mainly old buildings and very little air conditioning, but I guess if anywhere would it’s there. Just looked up the address on maps and it’s one of their wonderful modern commieblock constructions. So it probably has HVAC. Depressing looking building
 
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