pilotodyssey.com - Slapfight over ATVs

[Goofy Logic]

First off, I should perhaps provide a quick primer of the subject of the following community.

The Honda FL250 Odyssey/ FL350 Odyssey / FL400 Pilot were a series of dune buggies (Sometimes also called sandrails or stadium lites) made during the 1980s. These buggies, while not as popular as Trikes, Quads and Dirt Bikes due to their price; were commonly used in the desert regions of North America. Honda discontinued the buggy in the early 90’s due to low sales.

Like many hobbies on the internet, Some sites showed up with repair tips and mods for the machine. One of the sites, http://www.pilotodyssey.com, has a bunch of web 1.0 flaws, and hints of a conflict in the disclaimer:

Note: In case your wondering the By hoser.. and comments like I didn't invent it...I made it better came about after others on the Darkside started trying to take credit for MY WORK by giving my advice on their site and trying to pass it off and their ideas and work, another way of saying TM.

Other comments that may raise a eyebrow are a reaction to the Darkside rumors that my site is just info found in the service manual this is simply not true my website was founded on info that is NOT found in the service manual.

Other witty comments on my site are just a metaphoric poke in the eye of the Darkside (a inside joke) , I frequently receive emails from users confirming this policy is working because the Darkside is still crying :-) Think think the comments are arrogance think again they are how this site is protected need explanation please ask.

From what I gather, on a older forum (Possibly formally called the Odyssey-Pilot Owners Association) a user by the name LiveWire created a Business called Aftershock Motorsports and began building aftermarket parts and modification kits for the buggys. According to Hoser, the kits were shoddy, poorly designed, huge safety hazard, etc.; A quote from this thread:

His products has had a long history of safey issues, I think anybody can easily see this in the videos, these videos are no setup, their was no staging, core LONG TIME members of the Pilot Odyssey group are in the videos, these products were also viewed by MANY other Pilot and Odyssey members who actually laid hands on the products and also looked at the design and thickness of materials used, they also were witness to the response by LIEwire and his lackey customer service, denials, stalling etc. the whole thing was very comical yet also pitiful and disgraceful.

If you look at the basic design its a hinge, the mounts that have bolts running through them are pivot points, even if you turn the bolts orientation 90 degrees now it will try to fold sideways, its a botched design, the intent was bolt on replaceable links so if you bent them you only needed to replace the low cost links, the dumbass was not even smart enough to look at the REPLACEABLE links on the Pilot or Odysseys roll cage to see how 2 bolts would fix his failed design. You Cant Fix Stupid

PLEASE go to my old board and ask Kiowa about his LIEwire nerfs and how after just brushing an obstacle they bent and the mount on the frame grabbed his throttle cable making his Pilots Engine run WIDE OPEN unexpectedly, ask to see the EXACT fix to this problem, having NOTHING to hide I am sure they will be more than willing to show you the FACTS and the fix and prove me wrong in public...

Since the time that the above has happen some have suggested forgive and forget, I agree but before one can forgive and forget and get on with life their has to be closure, no closure has ever been established to the above concerns, a weak attempt had been made but since its a safety issue the general public wants to see proof, proof would be pictures of the old design next to the new design along with a simple explanation how the new design fixes the old problems, I don't ever see this happening simply because LIEwire has never admitted their is a problem he just keeps blaming his wife. The path to closure and forgive and forget is fast, easy, responsible but the sad part its not in capable hands.

Equally as important and part of safety as well is his customer service, look at Turbotexas saga starting from day one, the first responders to Turbos plea for help was LIEwires buddy's, not just buddy's but also located in the same geographical location as LIEwire, if you look around the web at the SAME TIME Turbo was asking for help LIEwire was on other message boards posting, its NOT like he didnt have the TIME to help.

LIEwire had the perfect opportunity to step up and first tell his buddys to lay off Turbo then help him install the kit he shipped him, he didnt, this is a perfect example of exactly what kind of a human being he is, what kind of businessman your giving your money to, think about it LIEwire took the perfect opportunity to show the world just how good his company is, how good his design is, how good his products are, how good his customer service is, in a few short hours he could have had FREE ADVERTISING in front of a word wide audience and most likely sold many more kits, he could have at that point developed a set of installation instructions that would have answered 90% of future installation questions but what did he do, how did he reply and respond, remember the pictures he send to Randy with instructions NOT to show to anybody execpt people who have bought the kit and only AFTER they bought his kit, this also sends a very LOUD message to perspective A ftershockmotorsports.com customers.

I could go on for hours here but if people cant understand this much whats the point.

The darkside spin machine and LIEwires henchmen work over time trying to distract from these simple facts, the only reason they attack me is to try and soften the blow the facts provide, they spend more time attacking me than it takes to fix the problems they created and make the world a better place to live but "You cant fix stupid".

The forum became divided and split into two distinct camps. Somehow the ownership of the original form broke down and both Hoser and LiveWire created their own forums.

Hoser's site is pilotodyssey.com. As you might tell by the quote above, he refers to LiveWire as the "Dark side" and "LIEWire". If you do not worship his advice or tow the party line, prepare to be accused of being a "Darkside Mutt" and get banned.

He also has a whole subforum where he Nitpicks minor details of a Polaris RZR he owns

Spoiler: Sample of nitpicking

The floor tub or firewall is not all one piece as you can imangine but what I cant understand is when they made the joint to join the two parts together why did they lap the plastic joint where the open part of the joint is on top, anything that hits this joint is caught in the joint, mud and water will run into the inside, its like putting the shingles on the roof of your house UPSIDE DOWN

Livewire's site is odysseypilot.com. I have not spent much time there, but what drama I found focuses on Hoser's site. The two of them will engage in back-and-forth arguing akin to neighbors shouting insults at each other from their porches, though LiveWire does come off as more professional.

BONUS PROFILE!
TurboTexas is/was one of the more entertaining forum regulars on hoser's site. He screams LiveWire burned him with his suspension kit. If livewire (Or one of his cronies) pokes him, he will respond like a typical lolcow and start ranting.

Here are some highlights from minibuggy.net, another, more general buggy site:

It apparently doesn’t take much to enrage him:
http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/good-stories-crash-burn/12506-flip-flopped-pilot.html

This thread got him permanently banned from minibuggy.net:
http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/suspension-wheels-tires/14099-looking-hub.html

 

[Trombonista]

How do they feel about the Pilot and Odyssey names being used for an SUV and a minivan, respectively?

 

[KFC]

I think they should put a little more effort into differentiating the sites. They basically have the same name.