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What Trump fans don't understand is the same thing feminists don't understand; how damn near everyone outside their clique hates them. If Trump wins the Republican nomination, you can bet your ass half the party is going to quit and join the Democrats.
Yeah, that's just wishful thinking. Biden has been a fucking disaster and there's no way in hell Republicans are going to turn around and vote for him. Ultimately, this idea that Republicans won't ultimately vote for Trump is wishful thinking on the part of people who don't like him. Fact is, Trump is far more popular now than any other Republican politician, or Biden himself, which is why he leads everybody in every poll. This idea that there will this massive defection is literally based on nothing.

he'll probably prioritize seeking vengeance against his opponents rather than tackling real problems like healthcare, Russian/Chinese aggression, and the destruction of the Middle Class. That will lead people to despise him and vote against his anointed successor come 2028, and if he's dumb enough to run for a third term FDR-style, that'll be the end for him.
First of all, Trump can't run for a third term; he's term limited by the Constitution. He literally can't run. Second of all, Trump isn't going to give a shit about the guys he trounces in the general. He's going to take full advantage of the fact that now that he is term limited, he can go full bore into dealing with the issues he was dealing with in his last term without worrying about reelection. This means going all in on tackling immigration, reigniting his trade war with China, making America energy independent, etc. What he will really do to get revenge is literally undo everything Biden has done over the last three years and counting, and defang the federal agencies that went after him. And with how badly the democrats have handled the country over these past years, he'll probably have a republican Congress to do it with.
 
Yeah, that's just wishful thinking. Biden has been a fucking disaster and there's no way in hell Republicans are going to turn around and vote for him. Ultimately, this idea that Republicans won't ultimately vote for Trump is wishful thinking on the part of people who don't like him. Fact is, Trump is far more popular now than any other Republican politician, or Biden himself, which is why he leads everybody in every poll. This idea that there will this massive defection is literally based on nothing.
Nope. Biden may be a fuckwit, but he's ''one of the boys'' in the eyes of veteran Republicans. He's a neocon, which many Republicans are. Trump's ego-trips and the fact that his own employees turned against him show that he's not a team player, and when push comes to shove, he'll care more for himself rather than the party or the country, and the Republicans already saw that in January 6, when Trump allowed his people to call for the death OF HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT. If Trump wins, the Republican establishment will either support Biden or break off to support their own person. That could be Ron DeSantis, Mike Pence, Chris Christie, or some other guy who isn't as crazy or detached as Trump was. The split will break the Republican vote in half, allowing Biden to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

First of all, Trump can't run for a third term; he's term limited by the Constitution. He literally can't run.
The legal system established by the Constitution called for Pence to accept the votes that made Biden president. Trump resisted it and called on his fans to resist it. Trump will trample upon the Constitution if enough of his fans tell him it's OK. If enough of his fans say that he should run for a third term, he'll do it and use FDR as an example.

Second of all, Trump isn't going to give a shit about the guys he trounces in the general. He's going to take full advantage of the fact that now that he is term limited, he can go full bore into dealing with the issues he was dealing with in his last term without worrying about reelection. This means going all in on tackling immigration, reigniting his trade war with China, making America energy independent, etc.
Immigration is a minor problem that can be solved by tossing the unwanted immigrants into the boonies where they can eke out a life as farmers. There's more than enough picturesque landscape where you can plop entire villages there and nobody would care, especially since the locals in those places tend to be armed, so no immigrant would dare fuck with them lest they get a 9mm bullet to the face. As for China, a trade war is unnecessary, given that the Chinese economy is collapsing; its property bubble burst, foreign investors are leaving, manufacturing is moving to other countries like Vietnam and Mexico, the only real threat from China is military, which is something everyone can agree on. As for making America energy independent, too many oil barons and oil interests will foil that, not to mention the fact that Trump is friends with the Saudis, so I highly doubt he'd fuck his own friends in the ass.

What he will really do to get revenge is literally undo everything Biden has done over the last three years and counting, and defang the federal agencies that went after him.
Then that will end Trump's regime before it even starts. Said federal system is necessary to run the country. If he defangs them, no one will serve him to replace them outside of uneducated zealots who wouldn't know how to run something like the FBI. That just shows that Trump will put politics over running the country efficiently or fairly, which will destroy his credibility even further.

You do realize that a lot of people Trump promoted in the past like James Mattis turned against him, right? That happened for a reason. Trump is either so incompetent that he keeps hiring traitors, or so egotistical that he turns people who owe everything to him against him. Just look at his own vice-president Mike Pence. Thoroughbred conservative, super evangelical, he served as the veiled threat against those who would attempt to impeach Trump, but Trump didn't care when his own people called out ''HANG MIKE PENCE'' near the capital. What a fucking disgrace.

And with how badly the democrats have handled the country over these past years, he'll probably have a republican Congress to do it with.
Nope. As much as the Dems fuck up, people will still vote for them because the Republicans have a reputation of being farther to the right, mostly thanks to guys like Trump. Maybe back then they could've voted for the Right when Bush was president, all he offered was safety and security at a price, and your average dweeb could agree with that.
 
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If Trump does win the 2024 election which won't be that hard given Biden looks like a dementia riddled old fool and inflation has hit everyone's wallets. He'll spend his 2nd term doing one thing and one thing only seeking to punish all who he blames for 2020.

Most politicians don't give a shit about the people and Trump cares even less he's motivated by one thing his ego period end of story. & anyone like Danny who thinks otherwise is delusional.
 
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If Trump does win the 2024 election which won't be that hard given Biden looks like a dementia riddled old fool and inflation has hit everyone's wallets. He'll spend his 2nd term doing one thing and one thing only seeking to punish all who he blames for 2020.
Which again, will show the world that Trump cares less about fixing problems and more about vendettas. Which means whoever he'll put up for 2028 will lose hard.

Most politicians don't give a shit about the people and Trump cares even less he's motivated by one thing his ego period end of story. & anyone like Danny who thinks otherwise is delusional.
That's my problem with both of them. Trump alienated allies like James Mattis, Mike Pence, and Ron DeSantis. If thoroughbred conservatives like those reject you despite you running as a Republican, you're doing something wrong. And Danny-boy can't see that because he's sucking down on the Trump Kool-Aid too much.
 
Nope. Biden may be a fuckwit, but he's ''one of the boys'' in the eyes of veteran Republicans. He's a neocon, which many Republicans are. Trump's ego-trips and the fact that his own employees turned against him show that he's not a team player, and when push comes to shove, he'll care more for himself rather than the party or the country, and the Republicans already saw that in January 6, when Trump allowed his people to call for the death OF HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT. If Trump wins, the Republican establishment will either support Biden or break off to support their own person. That could be Ron DeSantis, Mike Pence, Chris Christie, or some other guy who isn't as crazy or detached as Trump was. The split will break the Republican vote in half, allowing Biden to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Seriously, this idea that Republicans are going to back Biden or help him win is stupid and illogical. The Republican establishment are not the Republican base. In fact, you can argue that the establishment have been out of sink with the base for awhile. Part of the reason that Hailey did so poorly in Iowa was that she was seen as another establishment neocon. Neither she nor DeSantis nor Hailey have any momentum coming out of Iowa, and when they lose in New Hampshire, it will be over for them. They aren't going to split the ticket for no real gain and it would destroy DeSantis's political career to do so. He's already damaged it by running against Trump. Nobody wins in that scenario. The party will ultimately coalesce around Trump once it becomes clear that he has the support of the vast majority of the base. They won't have a choice. Anyone who attempts to run against Trump will effectively be committing political suicide.

The legal system established by the Constitution called for Pence to accept the votes that made Biden president. Trump resisted it and called on his fans to resist it. Trump will trample upon the Constitution if enough of his fans tell him it's OK. If enough of his fans say that he should run for a third term, he'll do it and use FDR as an example.
Trump never did anything that was illegal or against the Constitution. When he considered doing so, he was always told that it was illegal and that he couldn't do it, and he always listened to the advice of his advisors, even if he didn't like it. Trump isn't a fool; he's not going to try to do something blatantly illegal.

Immigration is a minor problem that can be solved by tossing the unwanted immigrants into the boonies where they can eke out a life as farmers.
This is just a laughably stupid take made without any regard for the actual reality of the situation.

As for China, a trade war is unnecessary, given that the Chinese economy is collapsing; its property bubble burst, foreign investors are leaving, manufacturing is moving to other countries like Vietnam and Mexico, the only real threat from China is military, which is something everyone can agree on.
Regardless of the state of China's economy, it still has outsized influence on America's economy, and many American companies still do the majority of their manufacturing there, and a good chunk of American goods are still produced there. Trump will push for further decoupling of America from China, and more than likely increase America's presence in the Pacific, along with weapons sales to Taiwan, which were both things he was doing during his last term.

As for making America energy independent, too many oil barons and oil interests will foil that, not to mention the fact that Trump is friends with the Saudis, so I highly doubt he'd fuck his own friends in the ass.
This literally makes no sense. America was already energy independent during Trump's first term, which is why gas was low. The independence ended under Biden, who took a harsh stance against fossil fuels and curtailed American production, while encouraging foreign powers, like Saudi Arabia, to produce more oil so that America could buy it. This statement literally doesn't align with reality at all.

Then that will end Trump's regime before it even starts.
How so? Trump could easily undo Biden's entire legacy because most of it was federal order and mandates that Trump can undo with the swipe of a pen. Since the Democrats never controlled both houses during Biden's term, he could never pass legislation. As for Federal agencies, Trump, as President, can do much to defang and weaken those agencies with little trouble. He won't be able to abolish a lot them without congressional approval, but he could easily do much to terminally weaken them.

If he defangs them, no one will serve him to replace them outside of uneducated zealots who wouldn't know how to run something like the FBI.
You say that like its a bad thing. The FBI is a fucking joke that has shown itself to be grossly political over the last few years. There have been increasing calls to reform or abolish it, and its long overdo for something to change.

You do realize that a lot of people Trump promoted in the past like James Mattis turned against him, right?
This is because Trump consistently hired Washington insiders who had their own agenda that clashed with his. Towards the end of his Presidency, his staff were far more loyal and didn't try to break away from him, like Mike Pompeo.

Trump is either so incompetent that he keeps hiring traitors, or so egotistical that he turns people who owe everything to him against him
Trump hired political insiders to help him because he was a political outsider, and he followed the advice of people around him to hire those who were politically connected and could navigate Washington politics. This became an issue when he essentially clashed with everyone he hired because he came in as a populist reformer and had to deal with those insiders being part of the system he wanted reformed. He took far more control over his appointments later and had far less disloyal people.

Nope. As much as the Dems fuck up, people will still vote for them because the Republicans have a reputation of being farther to the right, mostly thanks to guys like Trump.
People still vote Democrat because party loyalty now trumps (pun not intended) everything else for most people. "Vote blue, no matter who" and all that. It doesn't matter whose name the "D" is sitting beside, people will vote that anyway, even if its against their own interest.
 
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Seriously, this idea that Republicans are going to back Biden or help him win is stupid and illogical. The Republican establishment are not the Republican base. In fact, you can argue that the establishment have been out of sink with the base for awhile. Part of the reason that Hailey did so poorly in Iowa was that she was seen as another establishment neocon. Neither she nor DeSantis nor Hailey have any momentum coming out of Iowa, and when they lose in New Hampshire, it will be over for them. They aren't going to split the ticket for no real gain and it would destroy DeSantis's political career to do so. He's already damaged it by running against Trump. Nobody wins in that scenario. The party will ultimately coalesce around Trump once it becomes clear that he has the support of the vast majority of the base. They won't have a choice. Anyone who attempts to run against Trump will effectively be committing political suicide.
They might back Biden because he's a fellow Neocon and most Republicans, let's face it, are Neocons, not libertarians. Or they might choose to tell both Trump and Biden to shove it up their assholes and support another candidate. And no, they won't coalesce under Trump because Trump has fucked their people over before, like what happened with Mike Pence, and like how Trump turned against DeSantis, even though DeSantis stands for everything Trump stands for.

Remember all those RINOs and ''traitor'' Republicans that Danny-boy keeps demonizing? Those folks would sooner vote for Biden than Trump.

Trump never did anything that was illegal or against the Constitution. When he considered doing so, he was always told that it was illegal and that he couldn't do it, and he always listened to the advice of his advisors, even if he didn't like it. Trump isn't a fool; he's not going to try to do something blatantly illegal.
Trump did nothing as his fans started calling for the lynching of the Vice President. Are you that thick?

This is just a laughably stupid take made without any regard for the actual reality of the situation.
The reality is that kicking out all the immigrants would take too long, but there's plenty of space outside of the cities. Danny-boy and every other bitch calling for kicking out all the immigrants just can't figure that out. There's tons of empty scenery out there that could use some developing, and some remote towns that could use some new blood so they can have the manpower to make something out of themselves other than rot and be forgotten by the world.

Have you actually ventured forth outside the cities and seen how fucked rural America is?

Regardless of the state of China's economy, it still has outsized influence on America's economy, and many American companies still do the majority of their manufacturing there, and a good chunk of American goods are still produced there. Trump will push for further decoupling of America from China, and more than likely increase America's presence in the Pacific, along with weapons sales to Taiwan, which were both things he was doing during his last term.
No it doesn't. Most of China's foreign investors are leaving. The property bubble bursting is destroying their economy. Manufacturing is moving to Vietnam and Mexico. How further ''decoupled'' can we be? At this point, the only companies willing to do business with China are the ones that choose to, and trying to stop them would be going against the free market.

This literally makes no sense. America was already energy independent during Trump's first term, which is why gas was low. The independence ended under Biden, who took a harsh stance against fossil fuels and curtailed American production, while encouraging foreign powers, like Saudi Arabia, to produce more oil so that America could buy it. This statement literally doesn't align with reality at all.
So it's just more fossil fuel shit. Which again, is resisted by the people who live near places where Trump and the right want to drill in. Also, Trump IS friends with the Saudis. Why not invest on things like ethanol, solar, or wind power? Things that actually will free us from reliance on oil?

How so? Trump could easily undo Biden's entire legacy because most of it was federal order and mandates that Trump can undo with the swipe of a pen. Since the Democrats never controlled both houses during Biden's term, he could never pass legislation. As for Federal agencies, Trump, as President, can do much to defang and weaken those agencies with little trouble. He won't be able to abolish a lot them without congressional approval, but he could easily do much to terminally weaken them.
Federal bureaucrats will turn on Trump, and terminally weakening them will allow criminals and other white-collar fraudsters to operate with impunity.

You say that like its a bad thing. The FBI is a fucking joke that has shown itself to be grossly political over the last few years. There have been increasing calls to reform or abolish it, and its long overdo for something to change.
Weakening groups like the FBI and national law enforcement will allow local state law enforcement to take over. Which is bad news since local state functions can easily be influenced by corporations, since their bosses, the local politicians, like it when a corpo moves over and gives people jobs. Not every state has a Ron DeSantis who has the balls to fight Disney. Have fun living under a police state funded by Blackrock where they arrest you for using the wrong pronouns.

This is because Trump consistently hired Washington insiders who had their own agenda that clashed with his.
Then that proves Trump doesn't know how to run a state. All he does is hire insiders who keep turning on him. Which either means that he's incompetent and keeps hiring traitors, or he's so bad that people who owe power to him turn against him.

Towards the end of his Presidency, his staff were far more loyal and didn't try to break away from him, like Mike Pompeo.
Mike Pompeo turned against Trump and condemned him for putting US troops in danger. You need to keep your eye on the news.


People still vote Democrat because party loyalty now trumps (pun not intended) everything else for most people. "Vote blue, no matter who" and all that. It doesn't matter whose name the "D" is sitting beside, people will vote that anyway, even if its against their own interest.
Yes. But if the other side is Trump, anyone who isn't pro-Trump will vote against him. Doesn't matter if they're Republican or Democrat; the last thing they want is him back in office. People like Biden are replaceable; he's just another neocon placeholder they can replace at a moment's notice. Trump, on the other hand, rocks the boat, and not in a good way. So you'll have a lot of people voting in Biden just to say ''fuck Trump'', just like you had people back in 2016 vote for Trump just to tell Hillary to get screwed.

Trump wasn't voted in because he was loved by the majority. He lost the fucking popular vote in 2016, for fuck's sake. He was voted in by people who hated Clinton more than anything. Danny-boy and other morons who think that there's a massive populist movement to support Trump greatly overestimate their chances.
 
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