Pragmata

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The other half of the conversation would be those find her appearance cute in conjunction with actions/personality and those who find her cute independent of everything else. (I personally didn't look close enough at her face to see lipstick/makeup but then again i haven't played the game)
Personally, I think this game is intentionally catering to pedos just because it's made by japanese people and their society is rife with that shit.
I have no reason to not think they had questionable motivations when pitching the character and her design because of the behavior of their race as a whole, even if the game's actual content is relatively benign
 
The gameplay does look neat, I like the idea of splitting my attention and being rewarded for multitasking on top of a standard third person shooter.

But, as the thread plainly shows this thing is a fucking radioactive landmine and I'm not sure if I could enjoy it knowing I'd be considered throwing myself in with these fucking freaks.
 
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I don't think he is one, I think he's just a terminally online autist,
This is pretty much true. I'm either browsing Twitter or here on Kiwifarms, which is something my fiancé has gotten on me about a few times, It's why I've been avoiding most of the politics forums and threads recently. I'm also just in general an argumentative person, which is why I haven't really responded to anyone at this point. There's no point; they have their opinion, and trying to defend myself by going "nuh uh!" would just be seen as me doubling down. The game itself is fun, not revolutionary or anything but fun.
 
All I’d like to say on the matter is that she looks more like the sort of doll my grandma would’ve had rather than something made to appeal to “lolicons”. I’d also like to add that on /v/, hive of gooner degeneracy, I’ve seen way more threads pop up for TLOU or that one astroturfed indie “Loli” game than this so I don’t think it’s fair to paint with a broad brush and say that this game is only for that crowd nor is it fair to say that only Japanese media satisfies them, lest I invoke der man of shad.
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I think I'm going to refund it. The gameplay just doesn't click with me and some autistic stuff like getting sent back to the hub when you die instead of just getting checkpointed feels stupid.

I'll maybe pick it back up on sale, but I have enough stuff to play that spending the cash on a 7/10, 8 hour Capcom Experience doesn't feel worth it. They already fucked me on RE9 having no replay value.
 
I think I'm going to refund it. The gameplay just doesn't click with me and some autistic stuff like getting sent back to the hub when you die instead of just getting checkpointed feels stupid.

I'll maybe pick it back up on sale, but I have enough stuff to play that spending the cash on a 7/10, 8 hour Capcom Experience doesn't feel worth it. They already fucked me on RE9 having no replay value.
Yeah, this was something that irritated me. I thought when you died you'd be sent back to one of the little bunker things you unlocked as a fast travel point, but nope, fuck you, back to the hub. I kind of get the logic behind it, send you back to the hub so you can load up on items and upgrade stuff and then try again. But items are so plentiful in this game that that's kind of pointless.
 
Personally, I think this game is intentionally catering to pedos just because it's made by japanese people and their society is rife with that shit.
I have no reason to not think they had questionable motivations when pitching the character and her design because of the behavior of their race as a whole, even if the game's actual content is relatively benign
You know how Indians have Izzat and it forms a strong backbone of how they approach things?
A less significant but still influential component of Jap culture is their idealisation of "Moe" i.e. cute things.
Hello Kitty, wide-eyed anime art style, etc. Things designed in such a way to provoke that response.
Their "large eyes"="cute" art approach is potentially part of the reason why they make use of Western settings so frequently since white people have wide-eyes compared to their own (though that's just a theory). I wouldn't say the way Japs design Western women is particularly accurate face-wise, since there is an emphasis on "cute". When you see white characters in Jap media (games mostly), the big eyes = cute is a factor to keep in mind.
Example: Jill Valentine
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The eyes are huge relative to her face compared to the more grounded design approach in the RE3 remake.

Though this has lead to something of an open secret with the Japs and their own culture's relationship with "moe."
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I'll avoid making this another kink-thread discussion but the Japs are aware that pairing "cute" characters alongside "sexually attractive ones" can, over time, reinforce someone's brain to equate the two. This is similar to how someone who overindulges on pornography can reinforce their brain into becoming sexually aroused by both female and male bodies. The sight of "cute" things releases dopamine in much the same way when you see something sexually stimulating, and because these are the same chemicals being released there are people who can essentially gaslight themselves into believing their feelings towards one or the other are the same. The "euphoria boners" described by crossdressers as being a sign of their transgenderism is a more or less identical phenomena. In this instance, a Jap seeing an overly cute display being performed alongside or by an overly sexually designed character will have him equate the two. Then when the "cute" display is performed by a non-sexual character, and the same response is triggered, the Jap could from this point on associate cute with sexual.
(Jap could also apply to anime watchers in general).

Like I stressed in the kink-thread, it's not universal. Some people could have enough sense to not link the two. I can find a dog cute, but it doesn't mean I want to fuck it. (See: some Furries)

This could mean, conscious of this phenomena, Pragmata's character was designed with this in mind i.e. trying to titillate both a "cute" and "arousing" response with her design. Emphasis on the word "could". It's possible they designed her to not overtly appease pedos, and the current elements of her design which might—make-up, crying emoji on Twitch, etc—act as a sort of compromise with them. But it'd be because of the phenomena I mentioned before where the pedos will use "censorship" as a reason to decry the game and get right-wingers/culture war warriors (Grummz, Asmondgold, etc) to lambast it. It's also wholly possible that the pedos have so effectively integrated one of their dogwhistles into the culture war discourse that the crying emoji is genuinely viewed with complete innocence by some people, as unlikely as it may seem.

It is extremely easy for pedos to camouflage themselves in such in Jap culture because of their reverence of "cute". One just has to be aware of how few these people truly number. I'd equate them (pedos) to trannies. (inb4 "What's the difference?" :D )
 
You run through items from the hub so fast and need to pick up random ones so soon having a 'loadout' feels useless. It's like they didn't understand why it worked in Dead Space.
They could have actually made the little fast travel points super useful by making them restock you when you're near them.
 
They could have actually made the little fast travel points super useful by making them restock you when you're near them.

'Return to base'
'Restock'
'Exit'

That's be too simple. I'd even argue balancing it around not having a loadout and having you constantly pick up different items you find while being fully linear with the hub only between levels would be better.

If I want inscrutable japanese mechanics I'll play more death stranding 2. This shit just makes me miss Vanquish and Binary Domain (the underrated GOAT of shooting robots).
 
That's be too simple. I'd even argue balancing it around not having a loadout and having you constantly pick up different items you find while being fully linear with the hub only between levels would be better.

If I want inscrutable japanese mechanics I'll play more death stranding 2. This shit just makes me miss Vanquish and Binary Domain (the underrated GOAT of shooting robots)
That's honestly pretty fair. Maybe they'll add a difficulty that does this, but I doubt it.

I need to pick up Vanquish. I keep hearing it's surprisingly good. I've never heard of Binary Domain, though
 
I need to pick up Vanquish. I keep hearing it's surprisingly good. I've never heard of Binary Domain, though
Played both and they both a must play. The thing about Vanquish is that you not suppose to play it as a third person shooter. You suppose to glide around and abuse the slow-mo system while shooting robots in the face. As for Binary Domain, hope you have a mic so you can give orders to your squad. Be nice to Cain.
 
I've never heard of Binary Domain, though

Sega's Yakuza studio made a third person cover shooter where you blow apart robots with machine guns, starring John McCoolGuy. It absolutely fucks for an Xbox 360 budget title and is on Steam sales all the time.

IMO Pragmata will slot right in nicely with other robot fuck em ups once its price drops.
 
Their "large eyes"="cute" art approach is potentially part of the reason why they make use of Western settings so frequently since white people have wide-eyes compared to their own (though that's just a theory). I wouldn't say the way Japs design Western women is particularly accurate face-wise, since there is an emphasis on "cute".
I think they just got exposed to more Western war/cop movies and shit than you'd expect; the settings in question were usually "cool military shit" initially. Now it's just whatever, obviously.
On the character design end, the big eyes originate with Betty Boop era stuff.
Then that happened again with Nintendo; one of the things they did as a toy company was a Disney trading cards. Mario is just Carpenter Mickey with a new head.
It's possible they do associate it with Westerners in animated media since we ourselves were exporting that exact thing (keep in mind how Disney princess are designed) but this might be overthinking it. And I'm not sure why it's relevant. She'd have big-ass eyes either way; it's animu.
 
I honestly don't understand how Pragmata manages to be such a point of contention. Could they have changed the sidekick to an older woman ? Sure. Capcom didn't, they made the deliberate choice to use a child. There is an ingame explanation for it even if it is nothing special. They also tried to portray some sort of Father-Daughter relationship. Nothing new again.
If they managed to do either one well is different conversation.

As for prior video game child characters and why there was no fallout from that, I honestly can't remember the Internet, and by that most social media, being so openly courting pedophilia to such a degree as it is done nowadays. Reddit, Twitter, Bluesky, and even this place. Either it is done with retarded "memes" like the
crying emoji or utilizing certain words or in a weird defensive "If you include Children in your fictional media you are a pedo" accusation. Or some racist shit like all Japs are child fuckers and this is game is just a thinly veiled smokescreen to push pedophilia into the mainstream.

Honestly no idea what the fuck is going on. It's a game with a prominent child character in it. That's it. Nothing more. The only thing that's happening is another volatile cocktail composed of unhinged and deranged social media behavior and weird false flag accusations. Add some dangerously and obvious projections and voilà. Here we are. I have never seen people outside the internet behave in such a way. Its obvious that many people managed to elude getting the shit kicked out of them in the past for toying with such a problematic topic. But you can say and post anything behind the protection of your screen it seems.

And btw how long did the original name of this thread survive in this place ?
 
it's just so fucking obvious what's wrong.
Well I am going to get ready for my pink triangle or ban, but I wanted to mention something.

Now first I certainly have to take some responsibility since I failed to report the thread for the "Cuny " pedo title. Should have done that in the first place. But it's a major concern how such a title managed to survive for almost a year in this place, you and you mod team let this shit slip and failed to take action. Not to mention how many people, again myself included, failed to make a fuss about it.

So it rings a bit hollow when you talk how other games managed to do it better or, and I really don't like using internet buzzwords, you engage in some weird whataboutism. Reminds me of the BBC lady who flew to Japan to complain about pedo shit in mangas when her country has a state sanctioned industrial level child rape machine.

Some housekeeping seems to be necessary. Either ban any topic that skirts to close or moderate is more heavily. But if a pedo coded "meme" managed to survive for a prolonged time something is not working properly.
 
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