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Putin’s on the brink​



In Vietnam, Afghanistan and many other conflicts, the stronger power lost because it could not win, and the weaker power triumphed simply because it did not lose. So shall it be in Ukraine, where the same process is playing out rapidly.

In less than six months, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war of choice has had catastrophic consequences — for Russia itself. It has resulted in at least 60,000 Russian casualties, more than the total number of fatalities suffered during the 10-year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. It has led to a long-term Russian loss of political influence and energy leverage in the West. It has helped resuscitate the NATO alliance, which just a few years ago seemed to be on its last legs. And it has inflicted severe, long-term damage on the Russian economy, effectively erasing all of the gains made since the Soviet Union’s collapse.


And what has Russia gotten for this? Only a few more slivers of land in Ukraine — land that the Kremlin may not be able to hold for very long.

Russia’s elites already know this. As the body bags, wounded and discharged soldiers return to Russia, the Russian people are beginning to comprehend it as well. All of which increases Putin’s domestic political vulnerability — and puts him under growing pressure to find some way to declare victory.

As a result, Russia’s president has continued to double down on his campaign of aggression. Following its failure to take Kyiv, Kharkiv and other Ukrainian territories, the Kremlin retooled its strategic objectives, narrowing them to the more limited aim of fully conquering the Ukrainian provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk, both of which had been partially occupied since 2014. At great human cost, some gains have been made toward that goal. Overall, however, Russia’s revamped offensive can be classified as a strategic failure, as more and more Russians die to temporarily hold non-strategic territory.

This failure, in turn, has caused other problems. The troops used for cannon fodder in the Kremlin’s campaign have been disproportionally not ethnically Russian — something that has caused a souring of troop morale and stoked tensions between ethnically Russian troops and those from places like Buryatia (traditionally Buddhist) and Dagestan (mostly Muslim). Some soldiers are now refusing to fight, and discontent among their families presents a growing problem for Russia’s government.

But what is perhaps Putin’s most dangerous “bad bet” is now unfolding. With the destruction of the bridges necessary to resupply and/or reinforce them, the estimated 20,000 Russian troops on the west bank of the Dnipro River are trapped, effectively surrounded by Ukrainian forces without the capability to break out or to fight for any extended period of time. Putin did not reposition these troops when he had the chance to do so, effectively leaving them stranded. As a result, some senior commanders have deserted across the river, damaging Russian troop morale in Kherson and elsewhere.

All this makes Putin’s internal situation worse, as more and more members of Russia’s power ministries focus on his ongoing — and disastrous — mistakes. Eventually, a critical mass of Russia’s decision-making elites (those with guns or money) will conclude that the country needs to cut its losses by withdrawing its forces from Ukraine, because doing so would be a precondition for the removal of Western sanctions and allowing Russia to rebuild its army and economy.


This, however, cannot be done with Putin still in power.

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Although removing Russia’s president from power won’t be easy, eventually the balance will inexorably shift from the dwindling number of stalwarts who still support his war aims to those who want to cut their losses.

That point could well come if the stalemate in the Donbas continues, and Ukraine starts to recapture territory now occupied by Russia. Today, both of those outcomes are distinctly possible. As a result, so too is a possible end to the current war.
 
If you want to see some premium Putin fanfiction, News.com.au has an article every day about how Putin's dying of cancer, dying of this or that, scared, crying, hiding under his bed.

It's such high grade, pure uncut cope, that makes this Hill article look like common cornflour.
 
The face of a man who has never come any closer to warfare than talking about it, who would very much like to talk to you about it, based on nothing real, to no real consequence for either truth or lies, for more money than a simple honest man will ever see.
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God I hate the fucking media.
 
I was consistently told that Azov battalion was hours from taking Moscow back in March, so forgive me if I reserve judgement on this proclamation of Putin's impending doom.
I thought Putin was supposed to die of cancer while being couped by all the oligarchs in his payroll and the military as well.
 
We saw this same song and dance with Trump. It wasn't true then. Probably not true for Putin.
 
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weaker power triumphed simply because it did not lose. So shall it be in Ukraine
so this is the new line with ukrain, it isnt ukraine is totally going to win, beat the entire russian army, and occupy moscow while holding putin on trial for war crimes, it has simply become ukraine wont lose. that's some major goal post shifting. sounds like cope to me.
also have to ask, if the end result of all those weapons and training, and money sent to ukraine was simply they dont outright lose, then was it really worth it? the west sent them how many javelin missiles and they still could only 'not lose'? as pathetic as the russian army is, you have to be even more pathetic to not win against them, especially when you have so much western support.

cope and seeth ukrainian glowies.
 
Look, Im trying to be nice with the "Ukraine is winning this! At any moment now!" crowd but

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Its obvious that, if its true, Ukraine is in for a pyrrhic victory at best and it will take years for them to pull it off. Its clear that this conflict isnt going to solve itself and most of the world is already working around the inflation and fuel shortages (which is a good thing in my book, focusing on self reliance), which is a sign the powers that be know that shit isnt going to solve itself anytime soon.

People kind of expect a 1945 styled victory closing in on Berlin, but now being Moscow and I have no doubt some people are delusional enough to think Putin will stay and off himself too.

We gotta also consider that, look, we aint there and there is a lot of inconsistencies and overall manipulation coming from both sides so its not really clear what is true, false, mostly true or mostly false. So, at least on my end, I cant be sure of what is actually going on and if any side is winning this at all besides the powers that be.

Im not saying Russian is winning this either before someone tries to pull some bad faith argument, alright?
 
I think Putin is on the brink of losing power only because he's pissed off enough of the money men and back room dealers - he's been offerd a lot of easy outs even acceptable ones he's turned down and done some amazingly stupid things along side it right out of the old Soviet Era playbooks he didn't just grow up with but was indoctrinated in him at a fundamental level.

The problem is privately outside of the Russian media, and Western Media he's not well liked now by those in positions of power and is considered vulnerable because he's likely seriously ill and more parranoid than normal for a Russian leader, so I can see moves being made to make him not a problem and the new guy saying "Sorry we couldnt stop him, lets all be friends" swollowing any punishment for while and then trying this again a few decades down the line.

I think in later centuaries and decades this will be viewed as the transitory conflict of our era, where old ways of thinking and fighting go by the wayside and new ways rise.
 
I think Putin is on the brink of losing power only because he's pissed off enough of the money men and back room dealers - he's been offerd a lot of easy outs even acceptable ones he's turned down
Did he? Could you please elaborate on this particular point, because the local media did not report anything even remotely resembling an easy way out. I may be missing something.
 
so this is the new line with ukrain, it isnt ukraine is totally going to win, beat the entire russian army, and occupy moscow while holding putin on trial for war crimes, it has simply become ukraine wont lose. that's some major goal post shifting. sounds like cope to me.
also have to ask, if the end result of all those weapons and training, and money sent to ukraine was simply they dont outright lose, then was it really worth it? the west sent them how many javelin missiles and they still could only 'not lose'? as pathetic as the russian army is, you have to be even more pathetic to not win against them, especially when you have so much western support.

cope and seeth ukrainian glowies.
We're not at the end point until the articles are "Here's why losing the Donbass is a win for Ukraine and a loss for Putin."
 
Its obvious that, if its true, Ukraine is in for a pyrrhic victory at best and it will take years for them to pull it off.
The former country of Ukraine is unsalvageable. Almost all of the women of breeding age have left and will be assimilated by their host nations. There is nothing now for them to return to and they have already built new lives and lasting ties where they are. Ukraine was a country of 44 million already facing demographic collapse, but the next generation will be a mere few million. The number of live births will likely fall into the tens of thousands, maybe even just the thousands if you do not count immigrants. What Ukrainians remember of “Ukraine” will soon be nothing but a memory. Even in the event of total overwhelming victory over Russian forces, this population collapse will be the precipice of massive replacement immigration the likes of which no European country has ever seen before. Ukranian youths, now numbering in only the tens of thousands nationwide, will find themselves a tiny minority after unrelenting waves of immigration. In less than a decades time, ethnic Ukranians could find themselves less than 10% of school age children as the EU backed government desperately tries to rebuild its prewar population and economy.

The best possible outcome to save the Ukranian nation and culture is to collaborate with Russian forces and overthrow their EU backed government. The new fusion of Ukraine-Russian culture will atleast have some semblance of the former Ukrainian society, unlike the hordes of hostile populations from Africa and Middleeast who the EU will bring in and give preferential treatment to over the few remaining native Ukranians
 
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It has resulted in at least 60,000 Russian casualties, more than the total number of fatalities suffered during the 10-year Soviet occupation of Afghanistan
Ahaha, they do realize that with casualties like these the war would be on the russian soil at this point? It's almost like you have to prove you are retarded to be a journalist these days.
 
Did he? Could you please elaborate on this particular point, because the local media did not report anything even remotely resembling an easy way out. I may be missing something.
I think he is referring to when a bunch of Russian low ranking diplomats and politicians went behind Putin's back to try and make a peace deal with Ukrainian counterparts in Istanbul or wherever. This is where that oligarch who was best buds with Putting got poisoned as a warning to the rest of those vipers.

The problem is those talks broke down and the Hohols are continuously encouraged not to make any settlements by the US and their other backers. Essentially thanks to the US wanting to prop up another incompetent post-Communist nation in Europe for muh democracy crusade everyone in the world suffers because we can't just make a peace negotiation and all agree the Donbas hates the Kiev government and the Kiev government hates the Donbas and the Ethnic/cultural Russians in Ukrainian borders.
 
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