UN Questions emerge over strict rules about police self-defense - A look into how cucked S. Korea is regarding self-defense

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Experts say fatal shooting against knife-wielding man appears justifiable

By Jung Min-ho

A man holding a 36-centimeter knife ignored a police warning to drop it and lunged toward a police officer. After being attacked in the face, the officer took out his handgun and pulled the trigger three times in the scuffle. Two bullets hit his upper body, which resulted in death.

Now, the police officer is under scrutiny over a possible violation of the “standards for police use of force based on the principle of proportionality,” which says police officers should aim their guns at “the least injurious area, preferably the thigh areas or lower.”

The incident that occurred in Gwangju in the wee hours of Wednesday raised questions over police use of force in Korea, where officers are bound by a set of rigorous rules that make it almost impossible to use firearms without worrying about legal troubles even in the face of urgent danger.

In response to a woman’s call for help about a “suspicious man” following her at 3:10 a.m., two police officers rushed to the scene.
After being told to “stop there,” the man took out a knife and ignored the warning to drop it. A stun gun used by a junior officer missed him. Angered by the attempt, the man ran toward the other officer, who kicked him before firing a blank cartridge in the air and then three live bullets at the assailant.

In that process, the senior officer sustained injuries in his face and neck areas, for which he received emergency surgery.

The attacker was transported to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
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Speaking to The Korea Times, experts said the decision to use a firearm against the attacker appears to be justifiable.

“The officer did not use live bullets immediately. He warned and shot a blank cartridge. And yet, the man kept trying to attack the officer while wielding a knife … There seemed to be no other way to stop him,” said Kwack Dae-gyung, a professor at the College of Police and Criminal Justice at Dongguk University. “If the officer ends up being penalized for this, I think it would significantly affect the morale of all police officers.”

The rules on police use of force require police officers to consider various factors before and during the use of their firearms, including the resistance level of the attacker, whether other means, such as a baton, can be used instead of a gun and whether the aim was targeting “the least injurious areas.” In short, it has to be reasonable, necessary and proportional.

However, police officers are often forced to make “split-second decisions” in circumstances that are tense, highly uncertain and rapidly evolving, said Kwack.

“Thus, I think there should be discussions over whether it would be more reasonable to give them more discretion to use force against criminals violently resisting,” he said.
In a similar case that occurred in the southern city of Jinju, South Gyeongsang Province, in 2001, a police officer shot at a man who died as a result of a bullet wound in the upper body.

The assailant, a former "ssireum," or Korean wrestling, athlete, repeatedly ignored warnings and attacked a police officer who was trying to detain him. The officer was later indicted on charges of using “excessive force.” Eventually, he was acquitted. But in a lawsuit filed by the man’s family, the government ordered by the court in 2008 to give them more than 100 million won ($68,000) in compensation.

Legally, the government can exercise its right to indemnity and make police officers like him burden the cost.

To help reduce such legal risks, the National Police Agency pushed to distribute “less lethal” handguns to police officers by the end of 2026. However, the project has been stalled after many technical problems were found.
 
why is this even a question? if you think someone is going to kill you then you have a right to kill them first
Because gook countries (for all the talk of how “based” they are) are incredibly cucked when it comes to self-defense. Iirc in Japan all possible options to avoid killing an aggressor have to have failed or be impossible in order to successfully argue self-defense.
 
I can't believe they fell for the "just shoot them in the leg" meme.

There's a reason why no one who has actually touched a gun says to shoot them in the leg. The leg is a smaller target with a wider range of motion than the torso, making it significantly harder to hit. Combined that with the fact that most police don't train enough with their gun plus the adrenaline that's pumping through you during a high stakes encounter, and that just guarantee you'll miss if you aim for the leg.
 
I can't believe they fell for the "just shoot them in the leg" meme.

There's a reason why no one who has actually touched a gun says to shoot them in the leg. The leg is a smaller target with a wider range of motion than the torso, making it significantly harder to hit. Combined that with the fact that most police don't train enough with their gun plus the adrenaline that's pumping through you during a high stakes encounter, and that just guarantee you'll miss if you aim for the leg.
Another piece of fuddlore gooks subscribe to is that the first round chambered in a pistol has to be a blank to “warn the aggressor”, which is definitely a nice thing to have to deal with when a schizo is running at you with a knife.
 
I can't believe they fell for the "just shoot them in the leg" meme.

There's a reason why no one who has actually touched a gun says to shoot them in the leg. The leg is a smaller target with a wider range of motion than the torso, making it significantly harder to hit. Combined that with the fact that most police don't train enough with their gun plus the adrenaline that's pumping through you during a high stakes encounter, and that just guarantee you'll miss if you aim for the leg.
Or you do hit their leg, the bone shatters, cuts their artery and they bleed out in front of you.
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If you are in fear for your life, shoot to kill. If you aren't in fear for your life, don't fucking shoot them.
 
Another piece of fuddlore gooks subscribe to is that the first round chambered in a pistol has to be a blank to “warn the aggressor”, which is definitely a nice thing to have to deal with when a schizo is running at you with a knife.
And they don't even shoot the blank at the offender because that could be too dangerous they fire it into the air.

Oh and they mostly use 5 round .38 revolvers too. I wouldn't be surprised If they're ordered to carry on empty chambers, 3-4 rounds to protect their lives just seems kinda silly
 
Just want to point out, as people mock the Koreans
The assailant, a former "ssireum," or Korean wrestling, athlete, repeatedly ignored warnings and attacked a police officer who was trying to detain him. The officer was later indicted on charges of using “excessive force.” Eventually, he was acquitted. But in a lawsuit filed by the man’s family, the government ordered by the court in 2008 to give them more than 100 million won ($68,000) in compensation.
I've seen a lot of articles about America (and many other countries) here that follow the near identical model of "lunatic attacks police, gets shot. Officer charged and acquitted, family sues and are paid ludicrous amount by the city, state, taxpayer."

The place clearly has problems but there's not a lot that needs to change in the bit I quoted where I would be unsure which country was being discussed.
 
EWU recently posted a little playlet that shows why you don't let a skitzo get within 25 feet of you without your gun being drawn:


Anyone who thinks a cop can fire a warning shot at a criminal who's charging them needs to have their head examined. I suggest the police force of Korea would do more good for their society by turning their guns on the traitorous leadership that would rather see them dead than be forced to pay out the ghetto lottery.
 
I can't believe they fell for the "just shoot them in the leg" meme.

There's a reason why no one who has actually touched a gun says to shoot them in the leg. The leg is a smaller target with a wider range of motion than the torso, making it significantly harder to hit. Combined that with the fact that most police don't train enough with their gun plus the adrenaline that's pumping through you during a high stakes encounter, and that just guarantee you'll miss if you aim for the leg
I still remember the lecture that an ex-cop gave at high school: In addition to being an impossibly small target, there's the issue of and that even if you do hit him straight in the thigh, there's an very real chance that you'll either sever an very specific artery or you'll wind up crippling him for life.

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Now, the police officer is under scrutiny over a possible violation of the “standards for police use of force based on the principle of proportionality,” which says police officers should aim their guns at “the least injurious area, preferably the thigh areas or lower.”
Well, it could have been worse, though. The next step is "shoot to disarm" instead of "shoot to maim." But killing him would have been arguably cheaper than paying for his hospital bills.
 
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Aiming for anything other than centermass only increases the chances you miss... that's why your trained to aim there.

It's reckless to even try for an extremity shot, let alone insultingly call it somehow "safe" to shoot.

You're gonna cost the person full range of motion in that limb for the rest of their life at best and kill them at worse by ricocheting your shot off a bone and into their closest artery.

As cucked as the left has made cops in this country? Even they acknowledge that there's no way to shoot a knife or gun out of a hand.
 
why is this even a question? if you think someone is going to kill you then you have a right to kill them first
south korea is a baby democracy having been run by a military dictatorship just 40 or so years ago. the police self defense rule exists because the military would kill people randomly without recourse for the victims. the dictatorship is why the sorks rioted when the president president declared martial law. so they have their reasons, but its time to adapt to the modern era.

until then, time to get the blue flu and hangout at the tae kwon doughnut shop until the stabber tires out.
 
Korea is a land of extremes, everything is an over correction to the previous extreme. The police of the old days were the violent thugs of the dictators and the laws were meant to curtail their excesses, but it also made them effectively powerless when facing actual threats.

In effect the country has been designed by assholes to protect asshole behavior.
 
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