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Ok, so I was fucking sick as a dog Friday until Sunday. I've got other reviews I'm doing, but I wanted to save them until I was more cogent. Ratchet doesn't require that. The entire story is basically a prequel to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest. The aforementioned Ratcheted (played by Sarah Paulson) feigns and interview in a struggling California mental hospital. There, she begins to slowly worm her way into it by blackmailing a young nurse who was fucking an orderly. She threatens to tell her husband and its off to the races. Almost. There, she encourages a patient to kill himself in the head doctor's office. She just 'happens' to stumble in to help him, earning his trust. And now we're off to the races.

So Ratcheted is really a slow burn. She's definitely manipulative and has monstrous tendencies right from the start, which I admit is interesting in the plots she weaves. The downside is, this show has a real obsession with Lesbians. At first it was basically to introduce the absolute barbarism of mental health in the 1940s. But it gradually got more and more involved and I kind of don't really know why. Sarah Paulson becomes infatuated and friendly with this gay character, basically on the verge of coming out. There's a lot more than I expected revolving homosexuality of the time. Of course, there are lobotomies and the like. Just to go out of the way for some lobotomy lore, in the show the doctor first preforms what is known as a leucotomy. This procedure was INCREDIBLY involved, required an operating theater, general anesthesia and highly trained neurosurgeons. It took a long time, and recovery was about a week, with rehabilitation. I can't find results, because an incredibly small number of these procedures were preformed, maybe 100-200. In contrast, the transorbital lobotomy, or ice-pick lobotomy basically took you like 15 minutes. The guy who invented it boasted about the speed at which it was done. This was first tested on a...grapefruit. The reason why the transorbital lobotomy is worse is because you don't have a team of trained neurosurgeons carefully aiming for the specific part of the brain, you have untrained psychiatrists using a kitchen icepick and ramming it into skulls.

But that is my last lobotomy derail. I'm not criticizing the show for it, just some interesting facts. ANYWHO, Paulson sucks up to the Filipino doctor, who she finds out forged his credentials because of a disastrous operation he carried out and a rich woman wants him dead for it. I'm not going to go into spoilers, but shit hits the absolute fan, Paulson's plans are fucked and it just gets worse from there.

I guess my main problem with the show is that the lesbian aspect is too stronkt. Like, I don't care, show me how nurse ratchet became a monster. But there's this weird relationship between her and this woman, where Paulson might be gay, might not be gay. And an emphasis on treating lesbianism over other mental illnesses, which gets a more horrific treatment specifically for lesbianism than spreading the terrible treatment around (besides lobotomies). I mean, there's hetero stuff too (Ratchet has really fucking weird and disturbing fantasies) and a patient's relationship with a nurse. So I guess it evens out? I honestly don't care about the sex part. I want the horror part. Plus I always thought of Ratchet as asexual. So it was kind of weird seeing her in sexual situations.

Ratchet, naturally, is going to be a female-centric show because (duh) its main character is female and lesbianism seems to be a bigger component with Ratchet struggling with her sexuality. After all, a show about nurses in the 1940s isn't going to have many dudes as mains. But out of....around 5....2 are completely under Ratchet's thumb, though one seems a lot friendlier to her. He's a cool dude war vet with a burned face and is kind. I'm rooting for him. The main Filipino doctor is just manipulated and made desperate as Ratchet constantly just fucks with him. He also gets high off his own supply. Another is a blatant asshole, but his job is...won't spoil it, but you wouldn't picture a nice person in his profession. One is kind of inscrutable right now, just insane or sane, depending on the scene. Another guy dies, even though he was nice. And then you have the stereotypical greedy Governor character. I guess I can't fault it for falling back on old tropes, as he's more of a plot device than a character, so it can be forgiven. There is one important male main, but I'd be spoiling it, so its best to find out yourself. I can't really make heads or tails of him quite yet. Maybe he's just fucking insane.

All in all, I don't care about Ratchet struggling with whether she's gay or not. I really, really don't care. Tonally, its kind of off with her. Sometimes she's nice and you can tell she's not acting. Maybe she still has a soft spot for people she perceives as genuine. Idiots she has no problem manipulating, man or woman. I like that she's forming a spider-web of plots and plans, but she's not perfect and some of them go awry in massively spectacular fashion. I like the Filipino doctor trying to cure people slowly going insane under the pressure to cure patients, the budget of the hospital, his past, horrific fuckup and Ratchet's machinations.

The problem I think is the relationship shit really bogs things down. Its more fun seeing Ratchet manipulate people, kill them and faking them out. And then when everything goes wrong, how she comes up on top. Much better then her having a lesbian identity crisis which is boring. And I think too much time is spent on that, because I just don't see how it matters in the formation of her character. Maybe I'm not far enough into it to see, but its like...give me more horror. More tension. Tell me how her struggle with her sexuality informs on the transformation of her character into a monster, not just an external identity crisis, which feels separate from her.

Its more of an origin story, which I mean, ok. But that's not really the appeal of the character. I want to see an unabashed monster, abusing the mental health system to increase her own power in hideous ways, how she overcomes challenges. Whether she has a gay identity crisis is something I legit do not care about, and the faster the show gets over that, the better it will be.
 
Sarah Paulson is gay and so are the creators so making Rachet gay and focusing on that plotline is probably influenced by all of them.


I never saw Racheted as a gay woman.
I always felt she had a backstory where she couldn't achieve a higher position in her field because she was a woman. That shes someone who wanted a bigger position of power and control and since the option was taken fron her she just vented her frustration on the vulnerable patients. And that she was also someone always undermined by men and she felt she was much more intelligent than the doctors hence why she is so contempt with making the patients suffer , because they are all men. She also had all the black orderlies working under her because they probably feel the same way about the patients as she does. It's just they are venting on the patients because they are white.
 
Sarah Paulson is gay and so are the creators so making Rachet gay and focusing on that plotline is probably influenced by all of them.


I never saw Racheted as a gay woman.
I always felt she had a backstory where she couldn't achieve a higher position in her field because she was a woman. That shes someone who wanted a bigger position of power and control and since the option was taken fron her she just vented her frustration on the vulnerable patients. And that she was also someone always undermined by men and she felt she was much more intelligent than the doctors hence why she is so contempt with making the patients suffer , because they are all men. She also had all the black orderlies working under her because they probably feel the same way about the patients as she does. It's just they are venting on the patients because they are white.

Well, I mean, you also got Cynthia Nixon who is also gay. So its super gay. I guess they felt the need to go for it, but that makes a whole lot more sense. It really feels shoe-horned in and just out of place. Yeah, I get lesbians were treated bad in the late 1940s. Also you would NEVER take another woman to a gay bar unless she showed the right signals. As in, gay men in the 40s and 50s would wear certain colored ties as code that they were gay. So you know, they wouldn't rely on gaydar and potentially fuck up their entire life. The risk that Cynthia Nixon takes is absolutely insane and is more akin to modern relationships than something going on in the 1940s. I get its to establish her character is flaming and out and proud with women, but for the time period it doesn't make sense. Ratchet was being nice and overly manipulative, but if she was a conservative housewife, Nixon's life would be FUCKED. It just simply wouldn't have happened based on gaydar.

The problem is that doesn't seem to be her backstory right now. I'm going into spoiler territory Ratchet basically lies and manipulates her way into the hospital, because her brother, who is a serial killer is being evaluated there. They had a fucked up family and were separated and she was looking for him. Apparently he murders a couple of priests because one of the priests was his father who left his mother to rot or something. I need to re-watch.

Her entire goal for faking her way into this hospital is basically to free her brother. Not really to practice medicine. Everything she's doing is a manipulation so he doesn't get the chair. She even engineers accidents so she can look good. The thing was she wasn't hired because she was a woman, she wasn't hired because they couldn't afford more staff because the budget was at its max. Which is why she gets that other nurse to leave so she is hired.


So it really doesn't seem that way right now. As her motivation isn't climbing the ladder but something different entirely. So right now, with the sexuality plot and with the main plot of the show, its hard to see just how she becomes that way. I assume it gets deeper, I'll have to finish the series to see. I just felt I watched enough to do a review.
 
Sounds gay and retarded.

The whole reason Nurse Ratchet in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest is such an interesting character is because she's a basic bitch that's use to keeping her patients in line through fear instead of helping them like she's suppose to. The introduction of R.P. disrupts her little world and shows the monstrous lengths she'll go through to bring everybody back in line. Not illegally but with accepted "treatments" of the day.
 
I gave up a long time ago on AHS but I like period dramas set in Asylums so I gave it a chance, and it was exactly like everything else Ryan Murphy makes. Sharon Stone and her son are almost completely lifted from the mother and son in Freakshow.
Before I even started the show I thought to myself "I'll be surprised if they don't make her a lesbian", funny how in today's ultra-woke climate they decided to make one of cinema's most hated antagonists possibly gay.
 
I gave up a long time ago on AHS but I like period dramas set in Asylums so I gave it a chance, and it was exactly like everything else Ryan Murphy makes. Sharon Stone and her son are almost completely lifted from the mother and son in Freakshow.
Before I even started the show I thought to myself "I'll be surprised if they don't make her a lesbian", funny how in today's ultra-woke climate they decided to make one of cinema's most hated antagonists possibly gay.

Ryan Murphy is cancer and probably has a filthy hard drive.
 
Wait did they actually do the "she's an asshole because she's figuring out her sexuality" thing? Not only does that trope suck but I thought sjw types thought that was incredibly problematic.
 
Time to trot this out again...

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(And time to get another autistic rating...)
 
Wait did they actually do the "she's an asshole because she's figuring out her sexuality" thing? Not only does that trope suck but I thought sjw types thought that was incredibly problematic.

Well, I think its more because (big spoiler) Ratchted was abandoned as a child and went through the system and she had a step-brother. Then they got pawned off to this rich family that made them do pedophile sex shows in front of an audience. The wife and husband of the rich family were in on it, and when they show the pedo audience, there are women mixed in too. They're probably going for the whole the abused becomes the abuser deal, to try and make it so that she wasn't a sociopath at the beginning.

But honestly, if that's her background, she should be one of those sociopaths that is asexual, and thoroughly disgusted by sex and sexuality itself. I guess you can say it just felt out of place to me. Maybe because its only 8 episodes? I don't know. Sex and sexuality was a lot bigger than I thought it would so it just smacked me in the face and really surprised me.

I mean, Ratched herself in the series isn't so much as evil or cruel as she is extremely pragmatic in her goal which is to (another kind of spoiler) to rescue her brother from the chair because he saved her from the pedos. Yeah, she'll harm innocent people if they get in her way, but she's not an outright cunt about the patients. In fact there's really precious little interaction with patients and Ratched.

They also shoehorn in her past which is MUCH more interesting than any of the gay shit, quite literally. She's poor and has no education and joins the military as a nurse during the war in the Pacific. But since she never has any training, its not really clear if she was incompetent or catch me if you can. But she became an Angel of Death and killed severely wounded solider. Well, one extremely wounded soldier we see on screen. Others are offscreen. They really don't get into WHY she felt the need to do that, or why she overcame the hesitation every person feels when they're killing someone instead of saving them. Its left up to the imagination, I guess? I don't know. They waste so much time on sexuality when we really should be exploring what made her what she was, and you're right, it wasn't because she was gay. I guess its only 8 episodes, but it just, I don't know. There's just not a lot here to explain why she was the way she was. It can be boiled down to two abused orphans, one who escapes and promises to save the other. She never finds him and (for reasons that are unexplained, the show just mentions it as a 'calling') becomes a nurse. Then the one orphan becomes a serial killer and gets put in a mental hospital. And her sister will do quite literally anything to save him and is quite manipulative. All the while exploring her sexuality and past abuse. That's really what the show is all about.

The REALLY important bits (why she became a nurse, how is she so manipulative, how and why is she ok with killing people and doing all sorts of horrible shit) are kind of left for you to fill in the blanks. And I don't understand why. I understand freeing her brother as a backdrop to show how horrible she is, but it really just shows her pragmatism and her manipulative nature. I mean for fucks sake there's even a crying romance scene between her lesbian love interest and Ratched. And its so fucking melodramatic, good God.

You don't get the feeling she's insane, or evil or a sociopath. There's nothing here to describe WHY she is the way she is. I mean, maybe someone who else who watched it can say. Maybe there was one line here or there that I missed. Allegedly, they have 4 seasons. So maybe they'll go over that in future seasons? I don't really know. In this series its only scary if you get in her way, it is kind of hard for me to say she has horror or unhinged vibes, because she doesn't. Like in this series you really wouldn't give a shit if you were her patient.

I mean, from this you get 'Oh she had a hard life, that's why she's unrelentingly cruel' and that's honestly only inferred. I don't really see the threads that connect the behavior in this series to the behavior in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
 
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Well, I think its more because (big spoiler) Ratchted was abandoned as a child and went through the system and she had a step-brother. Then they got pawned off to this rich family that made them do pedophile sex shows in front of an audience. The wife and husband of the rich family were in on it, and when they show the pedo audience, there are women mixed in too. They're probably going for the whole the abused becomes the abuser deal, to try and make it so that she wasn't a sociopath at the beginning.

But honestly, if that's her background, she should be one of those sociopaths that is asexual, and thoroughly disgusted by sex and sexuality itself. I guess you can say it just felt out of place to me. Maybe because its only 8 episodes? I don't know. Sex and sexuality was a lot bigger than I thought it would so it just smacked me in the face and really surprised me.

I mean, Ratched herself in the series isn't so much as evil or cruel as she is extremely pragmatic in her goal which is to (another kind of spoiler) to rescue her brother from the chair because he saved her from the pedos. Yeah, she'll harm innocent people if they get in her way, but she's not an outright cunt about the patients. In fact there's really precious little interaction with patients and Ratched.

They also shoehorn in her past which is MUCH more interesting than any of the gay shit, quite literally. She's poor and has no education and joins the military as a nurse during the war in the Pacific. But since she never has any training, its not really clear if she was incompetent or catch me if you can. But she became an Angel of Death and killed severely wounded solider. Well, one extremely wounded soldier we see on screen. Others are offscreen. They really don't get into WHY she felt the need to do that, or why she overcame the hesitation every person feels when they're killing someone instead of saving them. Its left up to the imagination, I guess? I don't know. They waste so much time on sexuality when we really should be exploring what made her what she was, and you're right, it wasn't because she was gay. I guess its only 8 episodes, but it just, I don't know. There's just not a lot here to explain why she was the way she was. It can be boiled down to two abused orphans, one who escapes and promises to save the other. She never finds him and (for reasons that are unexplained, the show just mentions it as a 'calling') becomes a nurse. Then the one orphan becomes a serial killer and gets put in a mental hospital. And her sister will do quite literally anything to save him and is quite manipulative. All the while exploring her sexuality and past abuse. That's really what the show is all about.

The REALLY important bits (why she became a nurse, how is she so manipulative, how and why is she ok with killing people and doing all sorts of horrible shit) are kind of left for you to fill in the blanks. And I don't understand why. I understand freeing her brother as a backdrop to show how horrible she is, but it really just shows her pragmatism and her manipulative nature. I mean for fucks sake there's even a crying romance scene between her lesbian love interest and Ratched. And its so fucking melodramatic, good God.

You don't get the feeling she's insane, or evil or a sociopath. There's nothing here to describe WHY she is the way she is. I mean, maybe someone who else who watched it can say. Maybe there was one line here or there that I missed. Allegedly, they have 4 seasons. So maybe they'll go over that in future seasons? I don't really know. In this series its only scary if you get in her way, it is kind of hard for me to say she has horror or unhinged vibes, because she doesn't. Like in this series you really wouldn't give a shit if you were her patient.

I mean, from this you get 'Oh she had a hard life, that's why she's unrelentingly cruel' and that's honestly only inferred. I don't really see the threads that connect the behavior in this series to the behavior in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Isn't the whole "abused become the abusers thing" essentially a myth at least statistically? I remember reading somewhere a very small percentage of CSA and CPA victims grow up to become abusers themselves.
 
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Isn't the whole "abused become the abusers thing" essentially a myth at least statistically? I remember reading somewhere a very small percentage of CSA and CPA victims grow up to become abusers themselves.

It doesn't really even connect, because really, like I said, its not explicitly said or shown. Its only an excuse that you infer yourself because the show doesn't give you a reason.

The Governor in it is also comically evil. But that's really an old trope used a billion times.
 
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Well, I think its more because (big spoiler) Ratchted was abandoned as a child and went through the system and she had a step-brother. Then they got pawned off to this rich family that made them do pedophile sex shows in front of an audience. The wife and husband of the rich family were in on it, and when they show the pedo audience, there are women mixed in too. They're probably going for the whole the abused becomes the abuser deal, to try and make it so that she wasn't a sociopath at the beginning.

But honestly, if that's her background, she should be one of those sociopaths that is asexual, and thoroughly disgusted by sex and sexuality itself. I guess you can say it just felt out of place to me. Maybe because its only 8 episodes? I don't know. Sex and sexuality was a lot bigger than I thought it would so it just smacked me in the face and really surprised me.

I mean, Ratched herself in the series isn't so much as evil or cruel as she is extremely pragmatic in her goal which is to (another kind of spoiler) to rescue her brother from the chair because he saved her from the pedos. Yeah, she'll harm innocent people if they get in her way, but she's not an outright cunt about the patients. In fact there's really precious little interaction with patients and Ratched.

They also shoehorn in her past which is MUCH more interesting than any of the gay shit, quite literally. She's poor and has no education and joins the military as a nurse during the war in the Pacific. But since she never has any training, its not really clear if she was incompetent or catch me if you can. But she became an Angel of Death and killed severely wounded solider. Well, one extremely wounded soldier we see on screen. Others are offscreen. They really don't get into WHY she felt the need to do that, or why she overcame the hesitation every person feels when they're killing someone instead of saving them. Its left up to the imagination, I guess? I don't know. They waste so much time on sexuality when we really should be exploring what made her what she was, and you're right, it wasn't because she was gay. I guess its only 8 episodes, but it just, I don't know. There's just not a lot here to explain why she was the way she was. It can be boiled down to two abused orphans, one who escapes and promises to save the other. She never finds him and (for reasons that are unexplained, the show just mentions it as a 'calling') becomes a nurse. Then the one orphan becomes a serial killer and gets put in a mental hospital. And her sister will do quite literally anything to save him and is quite manipulative. All the while exploring her sexuality and past abuse. That's really what the show is all about.

The REALLY important bits (why she became a nurse, how is she so manipulative, how and why is she ok with killing people and doing all sorts of horrible shit) are kind of left for you to fill in the blanks. And I don't understand why. I understand freeing her brother as a backdrop to show how horrible she is, but it really just shows her pragmatism and her manipulative nature. I mean for fucks sake there's even a crying romance scene between her lesbian love interest and Ratched. And its so fucking melodramatic, good God.

You don't get the feeling she's insane, or evil or a sociopath. There's nothing here to describe WHY she is the way she is. I mean, maybe someone who else who watched it can say. Maybe there was one line here or there that I missed. Allegedly, they have 4 seasons. So maybe they'll go over that in future seasons? I don't really know. In this series its only scary if you get in her way, it is kind of hard for me to say she has horror or unhinged vibes, because she doesn't. Like in this series you really wouldn't give a shit if you were her patient.

I mean, from this you get 'Oh she had a hard life, that's why she's unrelentingly cruel' and that's honestly only inferred. I don't really see the threads that connect the behavior in this series to the behavior in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
In regards to the movie, it sounds like a pretty direct connection to her behavior in the movie. It's what I posted earlier that, in the movie, Ratched was a cunt but not evil.

What does Ratched do in the movie that has people thinking she's this evil bitch?
 
In regards to the movie, it sounds like a pretty direct connection to her behavior in the movie. It's what I posted earlier that, in the movie, Ratched was a cunt but not evil.

What does Ratched do in the movie that has people thinking she's this evil bitch?

My point is I don't see a connection between her being pragmatic about her brother and treating patients terribly. She's not a cunt to everyone. in fact she does posses compassion in the show. I'm just saying, what makes her the way she is? Why does she do the things she does? In the show, its made quite clear she wants to be merciful, not treat people with cruelty. What lead to the shift? We don't know.
 
Ratched is very much a Ryan Murphy show. It feels a lot like AHS and it has a lot of the same subtly campy elements.

I enjoyed watching it but I was also glad when it was over. And yeah, too much lesbian sturm and drang when it could have been matter-of-fact hey these women are lesbians, let's move on.

Like they could have cut out half of the OMG I'm not a lesbean but YES I AM A LESBEAN? shit and replaced it with more of Sophie Okonedo as Charlotte Wells.
 
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