🐱 Reconciling the real world with the online world must be an urgent priority

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Ross Douthat writes in the wake of the Ottawa Convoy protests that they revealed a new sort of class war: those whose lives are lived online and relatively stable through pandemic lockdowns and restrictions versus those who are forced to live in the real world and bore the brunt of pandemic restrictions.

But the online-versus-physical work breakdown misses something more important. Convoy protesters live much of their lives in an online subculture flexing its political muscles for the first time in Canada. And they’re not the only ones.

Existing in an environment in which a set of opinions and policy positions are validated, hopes and fears are reinforced, and even basic facts about the world are changed put Convoy protesters at a disadvantage both when police boots hit the ground in Ottawa and also when it comes to finding empathy among Canadians unsympathetic to the protest. Dismissing them as a “fringe minority” (echoes of “basket of deplorables”) served only to unify the group and steel its resolve.

That the Convoy is remarkably online was widely reported by those who spent time among the Convoy, whether on the ground or on Facebook, Telegram, and Zello. Matt Gurney wrote of walking around the protest, “All Canadians know it’s poor manners to walk in front of someone who’s about to snap a picture. Now imagine that, but it’s 50 people, all stumbling around with selfie sticks narrating their impressions to whatever followers are watching from home.” Online, Justin Ling followed Telegram posts with lines that would otherwise seem out of nowhere when they started trending a few days later.

James McLeod painted a dramatic picture of how this played out on the ground:

The journalist was holding a mic and had a cameraman shooting the interaction. But the other side of the conversation was documented too. As the protester yelled at the journalist, she was holding a smartphone that was clearly livestreaming video.
In the background nearby, another man was also shooting video of the encounter, and over the man’s shoulder another person watched — Caryma S’ad, a minor pandemic celeb, lawyer, cartoonist and self-styled gonzo journalist who posts photos and videos of antivax protesters, while asking supporters for cash donations by email.
And in addition to all these onlookers, I was watching the interaction from a different angle, livestreamed to YouTube by one of the countless hustlers who ride the line between journalism and activism, propagandizing for the convoy demonstrators while monetizing their online content.
Everything is documented from every angle and objective truth is impossible to attain.
The information environment in which many of these protesters spend so much meaningful time rejects conflicting information. Within it, police at protests are violent only because BLM and Antifa are violent. Vaccines are experimental and being forced on us by a traitorous prime minister. The authoritarian socialist World Economic Forum has captured Canada’s major political parties. Calling Rideau Hall will allow you to register a vote of no confidence and compel the Governor General to remove Justin Trudeau from office.

This problem isn’t exclusive to the Convoy. There is an opposing information silo appealing to the political left—one in which everyone sympathetic to the protest is an enthusiastic proponent sending coded Nazi messages. In which KKK-calibre racists are everywhere. In which opposition to any left-wing policy means support for right-wing authoritarianism. The labyrinthine logic that gets you there is no less darkly impressive than any explanation of the Great Reset. It’s been encouraged by right-wing trolling, to be sure. That doesn’t mean it must be more securely moored to reality.

This should all be so tedious. We could roll our eyes at people who spend too much time online and move along, if only it weren’t also consequential.

In the past few weeks, MPs have brought these worlds into the House in ways still hard to identify to those who haven’t run into them. Conservative MP Colin Carrie brought conspiracy theories about the World Economic Forum into the House. A few days later, Liberal MP Ya’ara Saks brandished an online theory that “Honk Honk” must be a coded neo-Nazi message.

When online scripts break into real-world debate, we have to stop brushing it off.

We must speak up when we see it on our own side—no matter how bad the other side might be. And we must know what we’re looking for so we don’t amplify a message just because it’s on our side of the culture war. It will take nuance (heaven help us), but friendly, informed criticism is the most likely to get through to people who have decided their opponents are evil.

When we see it in a cause we oppose, we have to find a way to build empathy that can sit with even our strongest disagreement. Understanding paired with informed disagreement might chip away at hostility from those who can be reached.

The problem of disconnect between a privileged “laptop class” from the working class is real. It needs to be addressed. We need to interact with people who aren’t the same as us. The sooner we can get back to safely seeing people face-to-face, the easier that might become.

The problem of disconnect between internally coherent online worlds from one another, from the validity of conflicting information, and from the messiness and shades of grey of the real world is one that may undermine our ability to speak to each other at all. It’s far more serious. It’s hitting the real world. And no one has yet figured out how to solve it.

But we have to try.
 
When online scripts break into real-world debate, we have to stop brushing it off.

We must speak up when we see it on our own side—no matter how bad the other side might be. And we must know what we’re looking for so we don’t amplify a message just because it’s on our side of the culture war. It will take nuance (heaven help us), but friendly, informed criticism is the most likely to get through to people who have decided their opponents are evil.

When we see it in a cause we oppose, we have to find a way to build empathy that can sit with even our strongest disagreement. Understanding paired with informed disagreement might chip away at hostility from those who can be reached.
No fucking duh. Tell that to every other journalist and, assuming you are not immediately blacklisted, then we can get the ball rolling on that whole empathy thing.
 
We must speak up when we see it on our own side—no matter how bad the other side might be. And we must know what we’re looking for so we don’t amplify a message just because it’s on our side of the culture war. It will take nuance (heaven help us), but friendly, informed criticism is the most likely to get through to people who have decided their opponents are evil.

Unfortunately, there's a very strong incentive to not do so.
 
I agree that you should generally try to get perspectives from outside your own online sociopolitical bubble however a lot of the Great Reset "conspiracy theories" I believe regarding the World Economic Forum I mainly "believe" because I saw what the World Economic Forum put on their own website with my own eyes so calling it a "conspiracy theory" is just denying that it was there on the official WEF site to be read by anybody with the ability to read and comprehend what they're reading.
 
CBA bitches. But was the article about algorithms fucking with teenagers heads?
 
God. If this whole Ukrainian things is actually China and Russia sussing out the western landscap.
 
Matt Gurney wrote of walking around the protest, “All Canadians know it’s poor manners to walk in front of someone who’s about to snap a picture. Now imagine that, but it’s 50 people, all stumbling around with selfie sticks narrating their impressions to whatever followers are watching from home.”

Canucks, please explain this.

It's rude to walk in front of someone about to take a picture, fair enough. But how does that allegory extend to people with selfie-sticks, where they're the one walking around in front of their cameras?

Zoomers and millennials are the ones most infamous for this sort of behaviour, what exactly is the point he's trying to make here?
 
Tim Pool, is that you? I'm seeing less of an "appeal to reason" and more of a refusal to accept and understand that this culture of everyone recording everyone else isn't just an issue of objective truth being lost in the flood of data - it was caused because we can no longer trust those who have power over us to be honest.

In a lot of cases, recording has become an act of self-defense against a system which so often twists the truth for its own purposes. In times past, the Internet was supposed to be the Great Equalizer - this repository of truth where claims could be honestly fact-checked, and lies and misinformation exposed.

But now? The grip of censorship and information control is tightening, helped along by willing collaborators like this individual who say they just want everyone to get along, but who really just want things to return to "normal" - only the definition of "normal" continues to change right under our noses.

Information wants to be free. So let it be already, dammit.
 
The problem of disconnect between internally coherent online worlds from one another, from the validity of conflicting information, and from the messiness and shades of grey of the real world is one that may undermine our ability to speak to each other at all. It’s far more serious. It’s hitting the real world. And no one has yet figured out how to solve it.
The online world's problem is that it constantly barrages you with stimulus and information - so much so that you instinctively begin to cloister yourself off to opposing viewpoints and entrench pre-conceived notions because it's much simpler to see the world in black and white instead of the melting pot of nuance it is. I think there was also a study done that being presented with opinions contrary to your own triggers pain signals in the brain.

Then there is the little hits of dopamine that people get from perceiving to be oppressed. I think there was a "study" done on Reddit recently where the results basically said that Reddit was overwhelmingly right-leaning, even though anyone with half a brain could see that Reddit bans anyone right of center (and sometimes, centrist-subs too).
 
The online world's problem is that it constantly barrages you with stimulus and information - so much so that you instinctively begin to cloister yourself off to opposing viewpoints and entrench pre-conceived notions because it's much simpler to see the world in black and white instead of the melting pot of nuance it is. I think there was also a study done that being presented with opinions contrary to your own triggers pain signals in the brain.

Then there is the little hits of dopamine that people get from perceiving to be oppressed. I think there was a "study" done on Reddit recently where the results basically said that Reddit was overwhelmingly right-leaning, even though anyone with half a brain could see that Reddit bans anyone right of center (and sometimes, centrist-subs too).
No, that's what the problem was.

Now the problem is the schizophrenic viewpoints and information are gone and replaced with an eerily uniformed mass of information that's totally not trying to mould you into something so contary to what humanity is, it's making people go insane slowly.
It's all the drawbacks of schizophrenic information overload with none of the upsides.
 
Is that… is that an article that is making reasonable amount of sense??

Holy S H I T.
It's trying to reframe the convoy from being a worker's revolt into a "real-world person" revolt. It's just a way for leftists to avoid the uncomfortable fact that they constantly talk about being champions of the working class yet shit all over the actual working class, while also avoiding the fact that they themselves are not part of the working class like they imagine themselves to be.

TL;DR: it's cope.
 
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