- Joined
- Nov 14, 2012
Featured on Sep 29, 2025 by Null: I changed stuff.
Changes:
- Lolcows, Community Watch, Animal Control, Grift Wars, Internet Famous, and Internet Tough Guys have been merged into Lolcows.
- Prefixes which existed in those boards remain. Threads without prefixes received new prefixes corresponding to their old board.
- Thread prefixes across the site are reorganized and modified so that they are more meaningful and easier to identify at a glance.
- CWC, Ralph, and DSP are now sub-boards of Lolcows.
- @0 0 is now a global moderator.
- Moderators for any Lolcow board are now moderators for the entire Lolcow category.
- International Clique now has two language-specific sub-boards.
These changes, as always, are done by myself because I wanted to do them. I did not consult anyone before doing them. I did not run a poll. I don't need permission to change the site. Any change I make or propose is always contentious and the loudest, most dissenting voices always prevail. I might as well not ask for permission and approach things from a practical perspective later on.
I dread stagnation. I dread doing things a certain way because they've just been done that way for a long time. I despise not doing things I want to do because I'm afraid of putting in the effort to make it work, and (often more importantly these days where everyone seems to take the piss out of me just for the sake of it) I despise not doing things because I cannot bother to handle with people yelling at me about it.
When boards were originally created I created them myself apropos of nothing. They've come and gone. At a certain point I started looking at the front page of the site with dread. It's too long. It doesn't make sense. Nobody not familiar with the Kiwi Farms can navigate the fucking bullshit mess of arbitrary distinctions. It's my fault for making it to begin with.
Here is an example of categorical problems:
Is Jim Sterling more Internet Famous or more Stinkditch? He was a YouTuber for 10 years before he trooned out but now his trooning out is his entire personality.
Is Patricia Taxxon more Furry or more Internet Famous or Stinkditch or Lolcows? He's a YouTuber who became openly Furry and is extremely trooned out but if you asked him he'd call himself a career musician.
Who is a lolcow? Who makes the distinction that Jeremy Hambly is mostly a grifter or a lolcow? If someone starts acting more like a lolcow over time, who makes the judgement call to move a thread? Does that distinction fall solely on me? Is such a move even necessary and does it constitute a "demotion"? Does such a move help anyone find the thread?
The original intent of categorizing threads was to help facilitate different groups moving to the forum so that the site could grow. They used to be mini-communities inside the forum. The problem is that this doesn't happen anymore. Every board that was opened for this has gone away and is now in Spergatory.
But then we look at the front page and see Lolcows and Community Watch. What the fuck does that mean? What person logs in and is thinking to themselves
This habit of demanding new boards for specific kinds of lolcows never went away even when I stopped trying to 'adopt' outside interest in the forum. So over time, instead of making an Entersphere-style board, I'd instead make a board for what I think broadly fits an interest to help discoverability.
This did the opposite. As the site naturally gains members and loses members, members who were already interested in moved threads would stop posting in those threads, and new members would not find them because they were sidelined to a random board. This resulted in graveyard boards with a handful of smoldering threads and everything else last peeped in 2024 or earlier.
So my effort to improve thread activity by enhancing discoverability failed in multiple ways. New communities stopped merging into the Kiwi Farms, existing posters lost interest in threads that were harder to find, new users never found these segregated threads, and the front page of the site was more confusing to new users.
You might think (and I worry) that having a bunch of threads in one board might have a similarly diminishing effect on discoverability. How do you find relevant threads in a big board? I don't know. Maybe you can't. 4chan seems to do fine with hugely busy catalogs. People don't seem to have issues finding places to post there. Maybe it's no issue.
I see internationalizing the site as a way to grow horizontally and I want to encourage it. I'll be picking some moderators that speak other languages to help facilitate this. I'm not sure what else I can do to encourage growth this way though; it has never picked up steam despite my efforts in 7+ years.
Dunno. That's all I have to say.
- Lolcows, Community Watch, Animal Control, Grift Wars, Internet Famous, and Internet Tough Guys have been merged into Lolcows.
- Prefixes which existed in those boards remain. Threads without prefixes received new prefixes corresponding to their old board.
- Thread prefixes across the site are reorganized and modified so that they are more meaningful and easier to identify at a glance.
- CWC, Ralph, and DSP are now sub-boards of Lolcows.
- @0 0 is now a global moderator.
- Moderators for any Lolcow board are now moderators for the entire Lolcow category.
- International Clique now has two language-specific sub-boards.
These changes, as always, are done by myself because I wanted to do them. I did not consult anyone before doing them. I did not run a poll. I don't need permission to change the site. Any change I make or propose is always contentious and the loudest, most dissenting voices always prevail. I might as well not ask for permission and approach things from a practical perspective later on.
I dread stagnation. I dread doing things a certain way because they've just been done that way for a long time. I despise not doing things I want to do because I'm afraid of putting in the effort to make it work, and (often more importantly these days where everyone seems to take the piss out of me just for the sake of it) I despise not doing things because I cannot bother to handle with people yelling at me about it.
Board Merges
When boards were originally created I created them myself apropos of nothing. They've come and gone. At a certain point I started looking at the front page of the site with dread. It's too long. It doesn't make sense. Nobody not familiar with the Kiwi Farms can navigate the fucking bullshit mess of arbitrary distinctions. It's my fault for making it to begin with.
Here is an example of categorical problems:
Is Jim Sterling more Internet Famous or more Stinkditch? He was a YouTuber for 10 years before he trooned out but now his trooning out is his entire personality.
Is Patricia Taxxon more Furry or more Internet Famous or Stinkditch or Lolcows? He's a YouTuber who became openly Furry and is extremely trooned out but if you asked him he'd call himself a career musician.
Who is a lolcow? Who makes the distinction that Jeremy Hambly is mostly a grifter or a lolcow? If someone starts acting more like a lolcow over time, who makes the judgement call to move a thread? Does that distinction fall solely on me? Is such a move even necessary and does it constitute a "demotion"? Does such a move help anyone find the thread?
The original intent of categorizing threads was to help facilitate different groups moving to the forum so that the site could grow. They used to be mini-communities inside the forum. The problem is that this doesn't happen anymore. Every board that was opened for this has gone away and is now in Spergatory.
But then we look at the front page and see Lolcows and Community Watch. What the fuck does that mean? What person logs in and is thinking to themselves
This habit of demanding new boards for specific kinds of lolcows never went away even when I stopped trying to 'adopt' outside interest in the forum. So over time, instead of making an Entersphere-style board, I'd instead make a board for what I think broadly fits an interest to help discoverability.
This did the opposite. As the site naturally gains members and loses members, members who were already interested in moved threads would stop posting in those threads, and new members would not find them because they were sidelined to a random board. This resulted in graveyard boards with a handful of smoldering threads and everything else last peeped in 2024 or earlier.
So my effort to improve thread activity by enhancing discoverability failed in multiple ways. New communities stopped merging into the Kiwi Farms, existing posters lost interest in threads that were harder to find, new users never found these segregated threads, and the front page of the site was more confusing to new users.
You might think (and I worry) that having a bunch of threads in one board might have a similarly diminishing effect on discoverability. How do you find relevant threads in a big board? I don't know. Maybe you can't. 4chan seems to do fine with hugely busy catalogs. People don't seem to have issues finding places to post there. Maybe it's no issue.
International Clique
I see internationalizing the site as a way to grow horizontally and I want to encourage it. I'll be picking some moderators that speak other languages to help facilitate this. I'm not sure what else I can do to encourage growth this way though; it has never picked up steam despite my efforts in 7+ years.
Growth
The size of the Kiwi Farms has not increased at all since the end of Drop Kiwi Farms.Dunno. That's all I have to say.
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