revolution, reform, or radical reform: debate on which way a nation should take to fix itself

[patcon guy]

now there are 3 ways you can take to fix a nation's governing and general system:

• reform
• radical reform
• revolution

reform
reform means you are peacefully fixing the current broken system by changing it so it will be functional and beneficial again.

radical reform
radical reform means you are completely abolishing the current system due to it being unsalvageable by removing it entirely and replacing it with a new system that's better than the old one. this method sits in between reform and revolution

revolution
i'm pretty sure y'all know about this but for those who don't, revolution means you are advocating for change in a violent manner. protests, terrorism, military coup d'etat, and etc.

now which way?

 

[Gog & Magog]

A violent protest is called a riot.

 

[patcon guy]

A violent protest is called a riot.

yeah, the thing you've said is also included and it belongs to the "etc" part.

 

[Claude Sigma]

I disagree with you defining "revolution" as something that must contain violence, but let's not argue semantics.

Honestly with the way our political systems are woven and sewed with everything else, including the economy, media, legal, global systems, I don't know that a significant change can happen without having to destroy everything.
You could magically put your guys as politicians that they would be still outgunned by the institution, the regulations, the economic forces, foreign influences, etc. I believe that's what Americans call the deep state or something.

I do not see how a huge change could happen (without taking a hundred years) without killing a lot of people, having everything crumble down, times be hard for a while, then something grow from the ashes. That's how things have been done historically.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

with 100% certainty i would vote to ship the black people and their liberal lickers back to africa.

 

[patcon guy]

with 100% certainty i would vote to ship the black people and their liberal lickers back to africa.

then you've picked reform. the best way to do reform is to target law makers directly.

 

[Boss Hawg]

There is a 4th option which is most likely to happen in the United States and similar governments, devolution into anarchy/creation of splinter states and lawless areas.

When there is no uniting force to hold together an empire like America, none of those options work. When there is no nation (in the ethnic sense of the word nation) to hold desperate groups of people and all faith/servitude to the state ceases, anarchy and a return to tribal forms of government, small self-sustaining communities rise again until a larger entity is formed or takes control.

 

[patcon guy]

When there is no uniting force to hold together an empire like America, none of those options work. When there is no nation (in the ethnic sense of the word nation) to hold desperate groups of people and all faith/servitude to the state ceases, anarchy and a return to tribal forms of government, small self-sustaining communities rise again until a larger entity is formed or takes control.

i think what you just described is communitarianism, not anarchism. anarchy is an ideology that advocates for a lawless state while communitarianism is a philosophy and an ideology that advocates for the connection between the individual and the community. a community isn't an anarchy because we all know a community has its own sets of rules and guidelines, the complete opposite to anarchy. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

it's either that or tribalism which is basically a much more primitive version of communitarianism as far as i know.

 

[Boss Hawg]

i think what you just described is communitarianism, not anarchism. anarchy is an ideology that advocates for a lawless state while communitarianism is a philosophy and an ideology that advocates for the connection between the individual and the community. a community isn't an anarchy because we all know a community has its own sets of rules and guidelines, the complete opposite to anarchy. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

it's either that or tribalism which is basically a much more primitive version of communitarianism as far as i know.

Anarchy in the sense of a land without government, not the political ideology of anarchism. And yes I am talking about Communitarianism, I didn't mention that because many think I mean Communism and I don't feel like explaining the difference.

 

[patcon guy]

I didn't mention that because many think I mean Communism and I don't feel like explaining the difference.

well, just link the wiki article about communitarianism like i did. no biggie.

 

[Jewthulhu]

I think reform just causes unintentional issues without actually addressing root problems, radical reform isolates half of your society while causing unintentional issues, and revolution causes senseless violence, division, and chaos, usually serves no one but those who take power, and degenerates society into tyranny.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

revolution
i'm pretty sure y'all know about this but for those who don't, revolution means you are advocating for change in a violent manner. protests, terrorism, military coup d'etat, and etc.

Those who know history know that revolutions only give power to the lowest scum.
Those who don't know history are forced to repeat it.

 

[patcon guy]

Those who know history know that revolutions only give power to the lowest scum.
Those who don't know history are forced to repeat it.

literally everybody knows that pal.

 

[DoNotFeedTheSneed]

i think the best way to change a regime is to make 7 sock accounts on kiwifarms.