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[Reverend]

Well, you have someone complaining about the eggshells lying around.

Jesus christ that's a ResetEra poster if I ever saw one, let's unpack this magicalness of "LOVE ME FOR I EXIST!"

I spoilered my take on it to prevent harm against the autistic children on this forum. i for one am thinking about the children

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I don’t know what to title this thread. I hope this works.

Doubtful, you crying for help isn't helping, no one likes you on the internet regardless of who or what you are.

I have been struggling a little bit lately - I knew I wanted to ask something or say something about the content policies and how they’re applied and moderated, but I wasn’t sure how. I finally figured it out when responding to the board culture thread which was just closed - I missed the window on replying, but I feel it’s important enough that I want to raise it directly. (I’m not trying to relitigate or avert the closure of that thread, I just realized that this was important enough that I wanted to come straight to the mods with it.)

I was too busy dialating and posting on twitter that Trump is orange satan and BLM/Antifa is the way of it and I voted democrat for the first time this year as I finally got some worker to come to my apartment I share with 20 other mentally unfit troons to show us how to vote.

As I said earlier in that thread, there are ways in which I feel the content policies conflict with intersectional social justice, and neurotypicality/disability is a huge one for me. I’m not sure if it has a solution though, but nothing will change if no-one raises it.

The Moderators did not think the correct thoughts and spoke the wrong words which I and my collective of disabled troon autists know the Truth and the Way of Social Justice in regards to disabled people (which can mean anything from being too fucking fat to walk to actual brain damage).

In a nutshell: I feel that some of the moderation policies, or moderation in practice, are inadvertently chilling to disabled people whose neurodivergence affects their communication. I only have enough personal knowledge to talk about autism, but I would expect there would be other cases that would also apply.

This is my point in which I will hammer home over and over again, as a disabled autist, I am the supreme authority and Everyone Else is Wrong. Obey me WrongThinker.

To give a recent example that popped up, someone was infracted for recentering a discussion on their experiences when they were not part of the marginalised group. That’s evidently completely necessary – but that conversational practice is extremely common for autistic people to perform, where sharing your own related experiences is a key way of communicating and building empathy/connection.

RightThink was wrongly marked as WrongThink, this is due to the mods not understanding TRUE AUTISM and therefore they are Wrong. I am marginalized and special, why can you not see this after I told you this over and over???

Similarly, autistic people very commonly learn how to interact in a particular social environment by modeling what others do. In an A-Game thread, with extremely complex and nuanced context everywhere you turn, being able to model/mask successfully requires being able to ask questions to get more understanding of why people are infracted. Which immediately looks like pushback, sea lioning or JAQing.

Remember when I said I'd hammer the same point home over and over again using more words but the same message showing how Wrong the moderators are thinking? Well take note, I'm gonna do it again only using different words and probably make a few up as I go.

So, effectively this makes it way way harder for autistic people to communicate safely, because the policies which are intended with the best will in the world to protect marginalised and vulnerable people are in fact contributing to silencing some of those people.

All moderators are *ists, *phobes, and have no idea how to protect and serve people like me, therefore they are 2nd only to Hitler.

Which is probably always going to be unavoidable to some extent, given the nature of intersectionality and the unfortunate fact that some groups of marginalised people have directly conflicting needs. I absolutely support the goals of the moderation to ensure people are not being harmed here. And I totally understand that a) being neurodivergent is no license to be an asshole and b) this potentially makes a bunch more work for moderators who already give a lot. I just wish that disability and ableism were one of the more visible axes within intersectional social justice, and that speaking up on the subject didn’t always feel like such a risk.

How do you handle an Autist that is 50% disabled, 20% trans, 22% Person of Color, and 18% autistic. I am only speaking up as my Inner Circle has ran out of HRT and I need to say this as I took the last hit before the crash comes.

I'm happy to work with the mods however I can in assisting with this, or I'm happy to cede the floor to anyone with more authoritative knowledge. (My sources: I worked for five years in the disability field, my best friend is autistic, and I'm in the process of investigating a spectrum DX for myself - but I'm not formally diagnosed (yet?).) Alternatively, if there's no appetite for developing any approaches around this, I'll sit down and shut up - I'm not looking to cause a ruckus.

You, dear moderators, are once again shown to be unable to handle Right Think on the Right Side of history and you must now attend a session, taught by me and those I approve, on how best to do your jobs because, I and only I, know how to RightThink.

O B E Y

P.S. i hate all these insufferable self righteous cunts.

 

[NerdShamer]

@Reverend the saddest part is that the jannies will change the rules again in order to try to avoid being accused of ableism from their echo chamber.

 

[Reverend]

@Reverend the saddest part is that the jannies will change the rules again in order to try to avoid being accused of ableism from their echo chamber.

And the paragons of Social Justice will continue to eat themselves alive until there is nothing left.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Ironically she perfected explained blow by blow why intersectionalism doesnt work in praxis without realizing it.

 

[Reverend]

Ironically she perfected explained blow by blow why intersectionalism doesnt work in praxis without realizing it.

Introspection and self-awareness is lost on these people.

 

[NerdShamer]

Poster points out that a decade of the politically-motivated culture wars is causing rioting.

The admin was not impressed.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Poster points out that a decade of the politically-motivated culture wars is causing rioting.

The admin was not impressed.

Another ban brought you by Tanka, the faggot that keeps on giving.

Boy, they really don't like having their nose rubbed in their own hypocrisy.

 

[Wallace]

Poster points out that a decade of the politically-motivated culture wars is causing rioting.

The admin was not impressed.

Here's the screenshot:

 

[Surfin Terf]

Here's the screenshot:
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Poster points out that a decade of the politically-motivated culture wars is causing rioting.

The admin was not impressed.

I think that that take is stupid as fuck, but banning someone for it is fucking retarded. It's like how the laws against Holocaust denial are basically the only reason to take it seriously. Some people are going to believe anything, even viewpoints that are obviously false or destructive. And some other people will only believe stuff that other people don't believe. By marginalizing the first group you gain them the second group.

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

Mods locked the thread about the Capital Building happenings. They really don't like ongoing event threads where the outcome and the spin hasn't been decided yet, do they?

Lol front page banner right now.

 

[NerdShamer]

I think that that take is stupid as fuck, but banning someone for it is fucking retarded. It's like how the laws against Holocaust denial are basically the only reason to take it seriously. Some people are going to believe anything, even viewpoints that are obviously false or destructive. And some other people will only believe stuff that other people don't believe. By marginalizing the first group you gain them the second group.

While this is true, but as you probably know, their mods are in league with the woke brigade; which means that they don't care how many people get banned, for as long as they're catering to the current narrative.

 

[Mola Ram]

Mods locked the thread about the Capital Building happenings. They really don't like ongoing event threads where the outcome and the spin hasn't been decided yet, do they?

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Lol front page banner right now.

Oh, another one? They've already got Burn Loot Murder banners of several varieties.

We need adblockers for SJW peacocking.

 

[Wallace]

Well, you have someone complaining about the eggshells lying around.

Uh oh, wrongthink and mod criticism. Better shut it down.

 

[Wallace]

Shannon Applecline, RPGnet's owner, has posted his 2020 Year In Review, which includes this self-congraulatory bit of tripe.

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Inclusivity Rises. I talked some about diversity in 2018, primarily focusing on new publications and publishers that reached out to people of all races, genders, nationalities, and sexualities. That has certainly continued into 2020, at places such as Chaosium, who has brought Harlem Unbound (2017, 2020) to the mass-market.

But in 2020 there's also been a serious attempt to recognize some of our industry's less inclusive publications of years past, and address them in the present. Evil Hat issued a disclaimer about H.P. Lovecraft's bigotry in their Fate of Cthulhu (2020) RPG. Paizo meanwhile felt the need to apologize for their police-focused "Agents of Edgewatch" adventure path as soon as they published it because of our society's growing attention toward the problems of traditional policing.

However, it was really Wizards of the Coast who was at the heart of reviewing and revising products to ensure inclusivity. They revamped D&D races to allow any intelligent species to be any alignment, fighting against racial stereotyping that's actually enabled alt-righters and other racists. When a podcaster began complaining about the stereotypes in Oriental Adventures (1985), WotC added a "legacy disclaimer" to their older products. They thought the whole topic important enough that they then officially published an article on "Diversity and Dungeons & Dragons".

(Within all this, it should be mentioned that Wizards of the Coast was also accused of systemic racism at the company by a few different people, which bears note when talking about their work toward inclusivity.)

There is considerable complexity in this issue and in its solutions. There have been complaints about rewriting or demonizing our history. But there are also considerable advantages, the best being welcoming a larger number of people to our tables and making sure that they everyone has fun — which is ultimately the purpose of these games.

Mind you, there's still a loathsome segment of the roleplaying industry that demands to retain their right to be racists, bigots, and nationalists. The difference is, they're now being shown the door, so that they can exercise their rights over on parler and other hives of scum and villainy. So when Bob Bledsaw II and III began spewing racist nonsense, much of it antisemitic, Bat in the Attic, Frog God Games, and DTRPG all cut ties immediately. Similarly, when one of the OSR's more problematic designers claimed that the OSR supported Trump (and thus racism and nationalism), there were quick responses stating, "Nazis Not Welcome".

The Warhammer 40k community is similarly having to fight its own racists.

To close out this topic (for 2020 at least) it's worth noting that the itch.io Bundle for Racial Justice and Equality, which was focused on video games, also included some tabletop RPGs, including Blades in the Dark (2016), Lancer (2019), and Troika! (2016). Not only does this show the industry's continued support for equality, but those are also RPGs that are available to 800,000 people! This was just one of the efforts spotlighted by the 2020 Diana Jones Award, who put a capstone on everything by granting an award for Black Excellence in Gaming.

This will probably be an ongoing issue that will reverberate throughout this new decade, as we find the proper balance in everyones' levels of comfort and fun.

So I guess there is roleplaying on RPGnet after all. Shannon's roleplaying as someone who thinks that any of this shit makes a difference to anyone outside of geek circles.

 

[Flexo]

1. Evil Hat decided to make more Cthulu games
2. They decided that CurrentDayPolitics demands that Lovecraft is racist
3. Proceeds to say "Lovecraft is racsist, problematic, awful, terrible, and a Nazi."
4. Publishes information about upcoming Kickstarter/Project that involves Lovecraft/Cthulu Mythos.
5. Community says "So Lovecraft is horrible and CurrentDayEvil but you are writing a book using his stuff?"
6. Evil Hat blocks everyone who calls them out and calls them all *ists, *phobes, and whatever else SJW's label folks
7. Community moves on from EH and their work.
8. Book never gets published, EH fades to obscurity as SJW's don't buy books and normal customers don't buy shit from companies that hate them and tell them "If you don't agree with us don't buy our products".

Thanks.

Though I am a bit confused. I decided to see how much of a shit show it might have been and...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/fate-of-cthulhu

It looks like the book was published. They're saying you can buy it.

https://www.evilhat.com/store/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=cthulhu

And if you really want to get depressed... their next project?

Thirsty Sword Lesbians

Cross swords and fall in love with this tabletop RPG by April Kit Walsh, celebrating queer love and power, Powered by the Apocalypse.

www.kickstarter.com

Did even better and got the "projects we love" stamp from kickstarter.

Times like these, you almost can't blame them for pandering.

 

[Reverend]

Thanks.

Though I am a bit confused. I decided to see how much of a shit show it might have been and...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/fate-of-cthulhu

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It looks like the book was published. They're saying you can buy it.

https://www.evilhat.com/store/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=cthulhu

View attachment 1836001

And if you really want to get depressed... their next project?

Thirsty Sword Lesbians

Cross swords and fall in love with this tabletop RPG by April Kit Walsh, celebrating queer love and power, Powered by the Apocalypse.

www.kickstarter.com

View attachment 1836005

Did even better and got the "projects we love" stamp from kickstarter.

Times like these, you almost can't blame them for pandering.

Sadly after i wrote that post i went and checked on them and saw that $300k KS and shook my head in utter disbelief.

If they wan to make that book about black lesbians with swords written by feminist fanatics, fine by me, it's trash but it's their own made up trash. I never want to see a book NOT get published for that way is censorship.

The Cthulu one i had the most beef with due to the double standards.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Not sure what Shannon means by 'shown the door'. You can't really get rid of them or stop them playing games. at very best you can ban them for forums and not run games for them, which will ultimatly just result in them in just going to other forums,run their own games and voting for whoever they wish.
This of coarse works on the presumption you're banning actual Nazi's and not just someone who is caught in the increasingly Byzantine hyper etiquette decided by a group of very middle class very white guys. Finally if you fuck up real bad you might start pushing people into other camps and then someone might notice the sheer scale of people you're alienating with your self-congratulatory 'stand' and figure their's a market.....

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Behold the face of social justice.

 

[NerdShamer]

Here's an overdue glossary of the forums. It's about as crappy as you'd expect. But it's surprisingly apolitical, given their stance on trans rights.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I continue to be astonished by the retarded back-patting these limp-dicked faggots engage in over 'inclusivity'.

All I've ever asked of someone at the table -- as a player or GM -- is 'don't be a fuckwit'. Roll the dice, have fun. That's it. Black? Don't care. Gay? Who gives a shit. Trans? Meh. Woman? No problem. And I think most gamers are the same way.

We were always the outcasts, in the 80's and 90's. We never wanted to hurt anyone. We'd accept anyone, as long as they wanted to play.

But no, now we're the bad guys for questioning this demand for mandatory 'diversity'.

Fuck that guy.

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

Who is this supposed to be for, the hundreds of new posters flooding the forums? When someone gets infracted 99% of the time its over "edition warring" or not being sufficiently Woke and knowing what BBR means isn't going to help with that.