Saints Row thread

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Sniperwoof said:
That was like seven years ago though. Has Gearbox made a single good game since then?
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The only games they've developed since BL3 in 2019 have been Tiny Tina's Wonderlands and New Tales from the Borderlands, both coming out last year to generally "eh, it's alright" reviews. Other than that, it's just been publishing shit like Godfall and Remnant 2.

It'll be funny if Gearbox gets sold off ahead of the Borderlands movie coming out. Remember that being announced?
 
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Jonah Hill poster said:
Saints Row Greifing Thread would be more appropriate right now, but today I just found out that it’s been weeks since I read (just now) that Volition was closing, so I guess my opinion is moot.
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I wish we called it a Grieving Thread, but jannies here in the Farms are making it impossible to edit old posts
 
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i really dont grieve it, the last okeish game was 3 and the rest was all shit. glad that the studio is dead and probably also the IP
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That's the thing, the franchise died after 3 and that's why I've been grieving it
 
First, LEAVE THE GEM SHIT ON REDDIT

Second

I did not know IdolNinja's real name.

His name was Mike Watson, and Volition OWES HIM HIS FUCKING REMASTER.

Third - Flippy worked his ass off cheerleading a franchise that was only ever an also ran. Volition shit on him with every failure.

Fourth - I hear bioware ate the shit sandwich that is andromeda, and the next game is Mass Effect Five.

Fifth - Genki is one furry. While players could go to the costume shop and fursuit, blugrgh, bleh, I vomited

Sixth - Liquidate Queerbox. PLS.
 
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ZipDisk said:
His name was Mike Watson
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His name is Michael Watson.
His name is Michael Watson.
His name is Michael Watson.
His name is Michael Watson.
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unironically.

Dude "fixed" a broken port from the outside to the best of his abilities.
Dude got brought in to the company as a community manager, which is like the dream of going to a rock concert and being pulled up on stage, not for a publicity stunt, but to play lead.


Dude stared down the barrel of FUCKING DEATH and kept working on the project.
Dude believed the promise he was given that volition would keep working on the project.
They didn't.
Like, at all.

HE IS OWED.

Does GOG even acknowledge that the shitweasels at CD PROJEKT BLACK ever even existed? If, so, they should go blast them with cancer rays.
 
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And he was the reason why this mess happened in the first place
 
I'm not sure what the consensus of Matt McMuscles is here but he recently did a video covering the Saints Row reboot.
The main reason I'm bringing up this video is that he got an anonymous ex-employee at Volition to discuss some of the troubled development of the game. Here's a list of the things he had to say:
  • The game was pitched as early as 2017 and would have been a continuation of the original universe from IV (I'm guessing Gat Out of Hell would have been rendered as not canon given that the multiple endings to that game is never brought up) with the Saints traveling back in time to rebuild their empire. However, this idea was scrapped and it was decided to completely reboot the franchise, an idea that was agreed upon by both Deep Silver and Volition's management.
  • No one had any idea on how to write the nu-Saints, yet the concept of a group of millenials who commited crimes to pay the bills was constant. The writing team struggled to flesh out the characters and shoved in missions as late as the production stage in order to have the characters "make more sense" and be more likable, hence why you have to do stupid shit in game like buy Kevin a fucking Happy Meal toy. The anonymous developer generously said he wasn't sure if this approach worked.
  • Volition wanted to somehow make the game as grounded as Saints Row 1 and 2 while somehow including over-the-top action moments like in Saints Row the Third, even though both tones are at odds with each other and they lacked the buildup to the over-the-top action that the original games had.
  • Development of the game was halted three to four times as late as in the production stages, and overall development of the game was extremely slow. The first mission of the game was redone as many as four times. These problems were exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic.
  • The game was supposed to be released in late-2020.
  • By August 2021, when the game was revealed, the game was still unplayable and you could not finish it from start to finish. By this point Deep Silver freaked out and mandated that the game should at least be playable from start to finish, causing the entire company to go into crunch mode, working 12 hour work days. This demoralized employees and the company started hemorrhaging talent as quickly as 2-3 employees a week.
  • Deep Silver pulled a Bethesda and held their bonuses to the Metacritic score of the game. A number was not specified, but employees knew it would be impossible to hit and thus were even more demoralized.
  • The delay of the game from February to August 2022 was a Hail Mary just to get the game in a playable state.
  • The anonymous Volition developer didn't look at Deep Silver as malicious, but rather incompetent. He cites the poor reveal of the game as an example, as well as the fact as pre-order links were broken for quite some time.
What I've garnered from this was that the failure of Saints Row was not caused by evil publishers forcing the poor developers to slave away at a game they didn't even have in mind, but rather by a bloated team of incompetents who had no idea what they were doing the whole way through, and had the misfortune of working with an equally inept publisher who only started putting the brakes when it was too late. If what this developer had to say is true, it means the narrative that most of the shortcomings of the game were pushed by Deep Silver that has been pushed by Flippy and professional news article reader dipshits like YongYea is exaggerated at best and fabricated at worse. I always knew there was something up when Flippy was going from bashing everything about Volition one minute to weeping that "ITZ DA POOOOBLISHEEEERS" the moment Volition kicked the bucket. Frankly, I'm not sure whether to give the benefit of the doubt that he was being fed bad information or whether he was trying to damage control, given that he was one of the people who were heavily promoting the Saints Row 2 PC patch and was known to be doing QA testing for the patch. Sure, he might not have had too much contact with Volition, but he still did work with them and he might have felt that he needed to do some damage control to save face. I wish Matt asked this developer more questions, like what's really going down with the PC patch, what happened when control of Volition was transferred to Gearbox, how does he exactly feel about Flippy's recent comments, but I can understand why most of what I wished for was omitted, the video is titled "What Happened: Saints Row" not "What Happened: Volition". Here's to hoping that another anonymous dev will speak up and reveal some more clarity to the situation.
 
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Nguyen Van Phuoc said:
I'm not sure what the consensus of Matt McMuscles is here
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A pro-consooming faggot with lips always ready to lick globohomo taint if it gets him in with woke devs so he can pretend he's a bigshot in "the business". He wants to be Maximillian Dood so bad in that regard.

Nguyen Van Phuoc said:
The main reason I'm bringing up this video is that he got an anonymous ex-employee at Volition to discuss some of the troubled development of the game.
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I don't believe he has an anon source at all. Nothing the guy said was something you couldn't read up elsewhere on /v/ or reddit and without proof of his source's validity his source could be his asshole for all we know.
But assuming for the sake of the argument this anon is real, then I believe he went to Matt because Matt loves soy and Californian faggotry that the SR reboot devs amply promoted. They want pity points and asspats even beyond the grave. Now I know they'd never go to an autist like House Hexagon (who explained the Saudi/Embracer deal fallout much better than Matt btw), but why didn't they go to a more neutral channel like The Professional, Flippy, or a long-time SR fan instead?

The whole video reeks of Matt trying to make you feel that the game flop wasn't Volition's fault and that it's failure was due to le evil Deep Silver and le trolls online. Not once does he address the very valid concerns about what the Saints represent as a gang and as a franchise, nor how their PR team acted like a horse's ass to anyone who dared to voice concern, or the very obvious reddit "astroturfing". Nope, instead according to that faggot Matt: "The internet's gonna internet". Fuck that homo.

Nguyen Van Phuoc said:
I wish Matt asked this developer more questions,
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Lol no. This was a damage control video. He didn't address any of the game's issues besides the bugs, and only because he could pin those on "Deep Silver is forcing us to release it all buggy!".
He will never address why this game is deeply flawed on a mechanical and story level or the shitshow that was the Volition PR team.
I have a better chance of fucking Shiori Tsukada than Matt does of making an honest video about people he thinks will give him an in.
 
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xXWild_DripXx said:
The only video I saw of his was the one about him reviewing Dante's Inferno by Visceral games and all he did was whine that the game was a God of war game in his faggot lisp so I never watched him again.
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I stopped giving a shit about Matt McMuscles by the end of 2020, but I wish I would've unsub from him much, MUCH earlier than that.
 
Nguyen Van Phuoc said:
to pay the bills
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Why would someone who routinely depopulates swat teams bother paying their student loans? Hell, the Saints don't pay rent in 3. They take and hold.
That actually makes taking the power plant from the Deckers make sense, they aren't paying any fucking electricity bills on ANY of the cribs. And with a nuclear power plant under their control, they don't have to!
 
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