Should we have freedom of speech or censorship on certain topics - With Norbert the tiger as a cohost

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@Norbert the Tiger opinion on freedom of speech


- I do not believe in free speech. Censorship works. The problem with censorship laws in Europe are not that they are morally repugnant in the abstract, it is that they censor the wrong things

The edge of the sword is a bad thing when wielded against you. So wield it, rather then let it be wielded against you or worse yet take the absurd position that edged weapons are bad and eschew them generally, not thinking that others-- namely one's ideological and moral enemies-- who want to win won't be so inclined.

So we stop arguing on profile posts
 
- I do not believe in free speech. Censorship works. The problem with censorship laws in Europe are not that they are morally repugnant in the abstract, it is that they censor the wrong things

The edge of the sword is a bad thing when wielded against you. So wield it, rather then let it be wielded against you or worse yet take the absurd position that edged weapons are bad and eschew them generally, not thinking that others-- namely one's ideological and moral enemies-- who want to win won't be so inclined.
whoever wrote that is right
free speech (like most of what classical liberalism / libertarianism preaches) is somethng that you can have inside a society of people who are all more or less on the same page already. if you stick to such ideals when confronted with an actual enemy who wants you destroyed, then you are retarded and will eventually lose everything because of it.
 
That dedicated to taking the heat off marge huh?
Fuck off he had good arguments about some of the shit lets hash this shit out so it doesn't get lost in the autistic SLAPFIGHT who is bigger guntguard and retard. Go find something else to screech about or join the debate your choice.

On topic : freedom of speech is what is keeping josh out of the slammer and most of sane since it allows to vent our frustrations about general shittyness of the current year plus one without fear we will be tossed into the slammer.
 
Fuck off he had good arguments about some of the shit lets hash this shit out so it doesn't get lost in the autistic SLAPFIGHT who is bigger guntguard and retard. Go find something else to screech about or join the debate your choice.
Make a thread about someone in your BP hugbox then, instead of someone who criticized your mommy. Thats an obvious restriction of speech you seem to ignore.
 
Tigerboi has the right idea but he's not got over the authoritarian fetish yet.
I am Amin pilled, say what you want but expect consequences.
Those consequences may well include not being able to talk anymore but if it's come to that you either deserved it or should have seen it coming.
 
Make a thread about someone in your BP hugbox then, instead of someone who criticized your mommy. Thats an obvious restriction of speech you seem to ignore.
Hey either join the debate or go holler on profile posts you terminally online faggot. Dont give a shit about your butthurt and i am not in the mood for SLAPFIGHTs with autistic retards who take shit too seriously on the internet.
 
Hey either join the debate or go holler on profile posts you terminally online faggot.
I am, Its not my fault you are entirely a bad faith agent. I made a point and you chose to ignore it. Anyway I'm out, enjoy your cope thread.
terminally online
pretty rich coming from a divorced 30+ mom.
 
I am, Its not my fault you are entirely a bad faith agent. I made a point and you chose to ignore it.

pretty rich coming from a divorced 30+ mom.
N'wah you don't realize it but the kvetching about wahmens is literal reverse idpol.
The consequence to your speech on the matter is that your shit is all retarded.
Anyway this kinda proves tigerboi's point a bit I guess but in an ideal world digital beatings would be an option too.
 
whoever wrote that is right
free speech (like most of what classical liberalism / libertarianism preaches) is somethng that you can have inside a society of people who are all more or less on the same page already. if you stick to such ideals when confronted with an actual enemy who wants you destroyed, then you are retarded and will eventually lose everything because of it.
I'm never on the same page as anyone, I'm personally on the side of freedom of speech because censorship is un-American and for communist asshole leftards.
 
What's the point of being pro censorship when you are the minority? The only thing you are achieving is justifying why censorship should be used against you.

In general being pro censorship is just retarded, you argue for a tool that will be freely be used against you. The only valid exception is censorship of content that harms individuals.
 
I'm never on the same page as anyone, I'm personally on the side of freedom of speech because censorship is un-American and for communist asshole leftards.
the result of this attitude is that communist asshole leftards now own your schools, your universities, your media, your charities, your tech industry, and most of your government and state institutions
 
whoever wrote that is right
I wrote that but not sure I want to indulge this.

Here goes, against my better judgement, as succinctly as possible

- Censorship works if done correctly and done in tandem with a minimally competent public education and propaganda campaign. Americans in particular like to carry on about the Streisand Effect or Tipper Gore, but that is because censorship efforts were not really censorship efforts. Germany's censorship laws are the reason why the far-right has not risen to much greater prominence. But Germany did not resort to something as ineffective as "adult advisory, explict lyrics," they banned the sale and distribution, prosecuted people, and did so in tandem with decades of allied propaganda. Censorship works, both by limiting availability of harmful or subversive content AND by creating social stigma. Consider most people just go with whatever the prevalent, dominant viewpoint is, as demonstrated by the fact that Brown v Board of Education, Roe, Obergefell were all unpopular when first handed down, but simply handing down those decisions without serious opposition gave them the appearance of authority, and the sheep mostly followed right along.

- A lot of justification for free speech stems from John Stuart Mill's On Liberty, the Marketplace of Ideas in particular and the absurd notion that the best ideas always win out. I marvel that anyone can take that seriously. Just take a quick view of American popular culture and ask whether the best ideas win out. Some leftist pig opined that Avengers is in effect the "American Iliad." The sitcom Friends, vulgar gangster rap music, Katy Perry. The list goes on. Nazi Germany had Faust, Beethoven, Wagner, Hamlet. Victorian Britain had censorship but produced objectively superior literature and ideas.

- Even if I agree with the idea that freedom of speech is some sort of individual human right, the thought leaders behind these ideals had no way of anticipating things like multinational conglomerates concentrated in the hands of elite, hostile ruling class. Disney is not a person, despite the legal fiction that currently rules as stating it is so.

- Many things protected by the First Amendment are not really speech. Pornography is not speech, but a vice and should be comparable to prostitution, a form of sexual stimulation. It does not convey any intelligible idea or concept. Before the 60s, there was no controversy whatsoever that the 1st Amendment did not protect such content.

- I would go beyond that and assert things that promote race-mixing should be banned. Consider how Japan saved herself from European colonization, she expelled all European missionaries, crucifying some to make an (mostly European missionaries and some. Many misguided would say that the "human rights" of the Japanese were "violated" but in fact it spared Japan from colonization.

- it is pretty clear that the Cultural Marxists only intended to use these free speech ideals subversively, invoking it before the march through the institutions was complete, only to pull it right out from under us once they achieved cultural and political dominance. Now that they have captured all the cultural and political centers of power, they no longer parrot these ideas. Note that three supreme court justices have indicated they would not regard socalled hate speech as constitutionally protected speech, so if Biden and his handlers win, Alito and Thomas being as old as they are... the jig is about up regardless. So many who claim to be opposed to the left would not deign to restrict their "rights" even if they had an opportunity to do so. A major socalled conservative commentator has stated he would not prevent munchie parents for indoctrinating children with transgender bullshit, but would only prevent the surgeries (up until 18 ). FUCK THAT--transgenderism is wrong, and once there is political power and will to do so, anyone who touts those ideas should get beaten to death (think of that opening scene in Shawshank Redemption where the guard brutalizes that inmate), or far worse. Goons and stormtroopers and right-wing death squads. A similar position of absolute intolerance should and must be embraced for other things that are morally repugnant, including pop media that pushes misgenation or promotes ghetto black undertow "culture."
 
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What's the point of being pro censorship when you are the minority? The only thing you are achieving is justifying why censorship should be used against you.

In general being pro censorship is just retarded, you argue for a tool that will be freely be used against you. The only valid exception is censorship of content that harms individuals.
Exactly, this guy gets it 💯
the result of this attitude is that communist asshole leftards now own your schools, your universities, your media, your charities, your tech industry, and most of your government and state institutions
What's the alternative then? Nazism?

Also, there's a difference between advocating for ideas and being allowed to implement those ideas.

Sure, you can say that all non-whites should be deported or something, as an example, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should be allowed to actually implement it as policy.
 
The only reason troons, niggers and their masters aren't being strung from lamp posts as we speak is because of various forms of censorship and nuspeak. Censors exist to foster anarchotyranny.

Kill censors. Behead censors. Roundhouse kick a censor into the concrete. Slam dunk a censor baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy censors. Defecate in a censors food. Launch censors into the sun. Stir fry censors in a wok. Toss censors into active volcanoes. Urinate into a censors gas tank. Judo throw censors into a wood chipper. Twist censors heads off. Report censors to the IRS. Karate chop censors in half. Curb stomp pregnant censor censors. Trap censors in quicksand. Crush censors in the trash compactor. Liquefy censors in a vat of acid. Eat censors. Dissect censors. Exterminate censors in the gas chamber. Stomp censor skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate censors in the oven. Lobotomize censors. Mandatory abortions for censors. Grind censor fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown censors in fried chicken grease. Vaporize censors with a ray gun. Kick old censors down the stairs. Feed censors to alligators. Slice censors with a katana.
 
This forum has definitely gone to hell.
The only reason troons, niggers and their masters aren't being strung from lamp posts as we speak is because of various forms of censorship and nuspeak. Censors exist to foster anarchotyranny.

Kill censors. Behead censors. Roundhouse kick a censor into the concrete. Slam dunk a censor baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy censors. Defecate in a censors food. Launch censors into the sun. Stir fry censors in a wok. Toss censors into active volcanoes. Urinate into a censors gas tank. Judo throw censors into a wood chipper. Twist censors heads off. Report censors to the IRS. Karate chop censors in half. Curb stomp pregnant censor censors. Trap censors in quicksand. Crush censors in the trash compactor. Liquefy censors in a vat of acid. Eat censors. Dissect censors. Exterminate censors in the gas chamber. Stomp censor skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate censors in the oven. Lobotomize censors. Mandatory abortions for censors. Grind censor fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown censors in fried chicken grease. Vaporize censors with a ray gun. Kick old censors down the stairs. Feed censors to alligators. Slice censors with a katana.
My only regret is that I have but one Semper Fidelis rating to give for my forum!
 
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