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- Feb 11, 2016
I've been thinking a lot about the dynamics in play with both of these lolcow stampedes. There are parallels between the two groups that have been noted in a handful of the other threads in this forum on a number of occasions. It could be said they're two sides of the same coin.
For those that don't remember or don't pay attention, the Manosphere is a tag we have in the main lolcows board for lolcows that are associated with "Red Pill"/Men's Rights/MGTOW or Pick-up Artist/Game Ideology and show a bitterness towards women (and particularly women that won't fuck them) and consider themselves to be enlightened. The threads about them used to be gathered in the Loveshy Therapy Center board before it got shut down.
Similarities:
-Both have a strange fixation on sex and gender issues
-Both believe their ideology to be completely in the right, and that if only everyone would see things their way, then all the world's problems would be fixed
-Both seal themselves in echo chambers full of asspatters reinforcing their delusions and dragging them further into their mindset, eventually leading to bigger chimpouts when confronted with disagreement from the outside.
-Both claim to be victims of discrimination from the powers that be. (Patriarchy/Matriarchy)
-Many in both camps hold the belief people not wanting to have sex with/date/marry them is a form of oppression (Transphobia for Rats; Misandry/Looksism/etc for Manosphere)
-There are many sub-divisions of each that have crossover with other subdivisions, some of which turn on each other and begin in-fighting based on a certain members failing of ideological purity or just one member using their followers to settle personal grudges against another member.
-Speaking of above, both groups have a handful of major figures that all push each others stuff. Either telling their own followers to go follow the other figure, or to promote books/music/games made by the person in question. (ex: Roosh V, Davis Aurini and Matt Forney frequently promote one another on their blogs and in videos, Rat Kings retweet links to each others Patreon pages)
Differences:
-Rat Kings are pretty uniformly anti-GamerGate, while the Manosphere tends to be either fervently
pro-GG (to piss off all the Feminist anti-GGers) or were Neutral on that issue
-Rat Kings claim to fight in the name of Feminism and occasionally call themselves SJWs (see Laurelai Bailey's SJWiki), the Manosphere is totally anti-Feminist and anti-SJW
-Rat Kings all claim to be LGBT+, Manosphere tends to view LGBT+ as degenerate.
-Rat Kings are largely on major Social Media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Tumblr. That is where most of their content comes from. The Manosphere also has a presence on these platforms as well, but their content is generally found on Youtube or their personal blog websites and forums like those owned by Roosh V and Franklin "Fschmidt" Schmidt.
That's all I have off the top of my head, the rest of you can probably expand upon this with your own ideas and input.
For those that don't remember or don't pay attention, the Manosphere is a tag we have in the main lolcows board for lolcows that are associated with "Red Pill"/Men's Rights/MGTOW or Pick-up Artist/Game Ideology and show a bitterness towards women (and particularly women that won't fuck them) and consider themselves to be enlightened. The threads about them used to be gathered in the Loveshy Therapy Center board before it got shut down.
Similarities:
-Both have a strange fixation on sex and gender issues
-Both believe their ideology to be completely in the right, and that if only everyone would see things their way, then all the world's problems would be fixed
-Both seal themselves in echo chambers full of asspatters reinforcing their delusions and dragging them further into their mindset, eventually leading to bigger chimpouts when confronted with disagreement from the outside.
-Both claim to be victims of discrimination from the powers that be. (Patriarchy/Matriarchy)
-Many in both camps hold the belief people not wanting to have sex with/date/marry them is a form of oppression (Transphobia for Rats; Misandry/Looksism/etc for Manosphere)
-There are many sub-divisions of each that have crossover with other subdivisions, some of which turn on each other and begin in-fighting based on a certain members failing of ideological purity or just one member using their followers to settle personal grudges against another member.
-Speaking of above, both groups have a handful of major figures that all push each others stuff. Either telling their own followers to go follow the other figure, or to promote books/music/games made by the person in question. (ex: Roosh V, Davis Aurini and Matt Forney frequently promote one another on their blogs and in videos, Rat Kings retweet links to each others Patreon pages)
Differences:
-Rat Kings are pretty uniformly anti-GamerGate, while the Manosphere tends to be either fervently
pro-GG (to piss off all the Feminist anti-GGers) or were Neutral on that issue
-Rat Kings claim to fight in the name of Feminism and occasionally call themselves SJWs (see Laurelai Bailey's SJWiki), the Manosphere is totally anti-Feminist and anti-SJW
-Rat Kings all claim to be LGBT+, Manosphere tends to view LGBT+ as degenerate.
-Rat Kings are largely on major Social Media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Tumblr. That is where most of their content comes from. The Manosphere also has a presence on these platforms as well, but their content is generally found on Youtube or their personal blog websites and forums like those owned by Roosh V and Franklin "Fschmidt" Schmidt.
That's all I have off the top of my head, the rest of you can probably expand upon this with your own ideas and input.
