Opinion Sophistry: What is "justice"? - Germany: On the drivel of the Green Party in general and by Robert Habeck especially. Get a load of this communist nonsense!

Bespoke translations by yours truly. Original article [A] by Danisch

Sophistry: What is "justice"?​


On the drivel of the Greens in general and [Vice Chancellor and Minister of the Economy, Green Party] Robert Habeck especially.

They incessantly talk about "just" and "justice":

The core of our government program is, among others: justice. As a foundation for a society that sticks together - and makes progress with that cohesion. Together, we want to ensure more justice. We have concrete proposals for this.

— Robert Habeck (@roberthabeck) December 28, 2024
[translation of the video: "Whether your name is Ahmed or Robert, whether you do the job as a man or as a woman, and whether your parents' wallet was always full or your parents had to pinch pennies - in a just society, everybody needs to have the same opportunities. Justice is the foundation of a society that sticks together, and which progresses because it sticks together. And progressing together, advancing together, is what we need in Germany right now. So what do we have to do to make that a reality? We need fair wages on one hand, and a tax system that leaves no gaps for the super rich on the other hand. That individual people shirk their responsibility is not just. Instead, stronger shoulders have to bear more responsibility. In concrete terms, this means for us: with a global billionaire tax, we want to get exceptionally big wealth, that is, the really really rich, to finance our common duties. That is one of a whole lot of proposals with which we want to make our country more just. If you want to know more, just look directly into the program. That's what we stand for. One alliance. One word.]

But what is that supposed to be, this "justice", and why the things that they consider to be just seem very unjust to me, they don't answer.

He says, if we want to know more, we should look into the election program. So let's go take a look [A].

The first thing I notice: There is none. There is only a draft. At least that one is available for download [archived as attachment here].

In there, I find (pdftotext, and transformed spaces to line breaks, then use grep -i just and wc -l) 51 occurrences of words with "just", not counting those that got separated with line breaks.

They want to sell their politics to you as "just" with all force.

Climate justice.

Generational justice.

Needs-based.

Gender-equitable.

Location-just.

Just to animals.

They go against justice gaps and injustice.

And false positives like "Verbandsklagerecht" [right of associations to file lawsuits]. That too contains "gerecht" [just].

For socially just climate protection

We build the way towards climate neutrality as a way towards a more just society: Especially people who cannot afford a car benefit from an affordable and comprehensively well-developed public transportation network. Electromobility as well as pedestrian and bicycle traffic contribute to a better quality of air for everybody. Well-insulated homes and climate-neutral heating protect the people from increasing heating bills.

[...]

For a just tax system

Germany is a wealthy country. Many people are doing well. But there are also those who can hardly afford anything beside rent and food. These people have suffered particularly under the inflation of the recent years. And the wealth in our society is distributed unevenly. The richest percent of Germans owns more wealth than 90 percent of society put together.

Especially when it comes to the concentration of very big wealth, there is a big urgency to act in Germany, including in international comparisons. For tackling these large justice gaps, there are the following alternatives: a global billionaire tax, a more just inheritance tax, a just taxation of real estate without loopholes, or a national wealth tax. We want to combine the goals justice, financing the common good, and preserving companies, their investment possibilities, and their jobs.

That is anything but easy, but we finally want to achieve something. That is why we are focusing on the following measures: the effective tackling of exceptions in inheritance tax for extraordinarily large inheritances, active work on the introduction of a global billionaire tax, as well as the closing of further obvious justice gaps in the tax system, especially in the taxation of real estate like share deals and in the gap of taxation from labor income and capital income.

[...]

For a strong higher education and science environment

Universities are centers of education, science, and research. They are the engine of our society by developing ideas and solutions for the big and concrete problems of our times. They are places of free and critical debate and productive clashes without which no scientific progress is possible. Good equipment and working conditions, gender equity and diversity guarantee fair access.

Completely beside the facts that the Greens don't know what the word "guarantee" means, and they don't notice (or they and their voters don't care) that everything, especially the last sentence on universities, is self-contradictory because their quota and diversity struggle is not possible with free speech and critical debate: Nowhere do they say what "justice" is actually supposed to be.

The term is highly subjective, volatile, arbitrary, opportunist, context-dependent, corrupt, devoid of content.

But they don't say and write what it's supposed to be, this "justice".

They don't explain it and they also don't say why something is supposed to be good or bad, but they use the methods of sophistry and social sciences by categorizing instead of reasoning, subsume something under terms that are devoid of meaning, but associated positively and negatively, such as "just", "unjust", "racist", "emancipatory", "sexist", or very similarly also "haram" and "halal". You no longer need to reason for anything and the audience no longer asks because nothing of substance is being said, but just one of many trained synonyms for "good" and "bad", for "conformist" and "counter-revolutionary" is being tacked on as a label.

How could you, who would want to, who would ever dare be against the "just cause"?

Because "just" is impossible to criticize, and "unjust" is impossible to be good.

You no longer need to think, Big Brother does it for you.

How does that work?​


Actually, it's very simple. By means of herd mechanisms.

First you train a herd behavior that tends towards conformity with the herd. We are the just people, the others are the unjust people. Like the team colors in football. Or Trooping the Colour.

And when Big Brother says that some X is "just", then the - much quicker - herd conformity and friend-enemy-recognition kicks in before the rational part of the brain gets its turn to ask questions or demand evidence. A classic brain hack, that's how the Nazis worked as well. They call it sophistry. The art of speaking in a way that the faster parts of the brain kick in and take over decision making before you get to think. In IT security, you also call that "social engineering" - blindsiding people using their social functions.

Why they are keeping you stupid​


They are making you stupid so it works better.

That is why, at school, you no longer learn how to define terms, such as in mathematics. You are not supposed to ask "What is justice, how is it defined?" or "Can you prove that this is just?", as someone with an ordinary mathematical or scientific education would.

That is why you no longer get definitions, but examples. They give you some examples that feel good or bad and that are being tacked on with "just" or "unjust" so that the terms are connected not rationally, but emotionally, and you just store the information that "just" is good and "unjust" is bad, without ever learning what it is.

In reality, it is - just like "democracy" - just about converting positively (pre)connoted terms to your own purposes. Democracy, in terms of its meaning, has been converted to its opposite, is supposed to be the cover word for socialism (just like in the GDR), but to flourish from the fact that "democracy" has a good connotation, even though they do the opposite of it.

And the same thing happens with "just". The term is positively connoted, and they abuse that, even though they have long been doing the opposite of that, they mean a socialist equality of outcome, so unjust things are being fraudulently sold to the people as "just".

And it annoys me to no end that, at the beginning of interviews, talk shows, debates, they don't first ask every participant which of the two polar opposite meanings of the term "democracy" they use. And you would need to do the same thing with "justice".

Get used to asking people what they mean by "democracy" and "justice" when they throw these words around.
 

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I despise the Greens so much, they are dirty communists. Americans, good job defending the right to bear arms, at least somewhat successfully.

Also, dude is speaking my mind when it comes to definitions. Although I fundamentally disagree with him on the topic of democracy (in my understanding, democracy is nothing but a form of communism), definitions are super fucking important. Even on this very forum, a website, there are people arguing against poorly constructed strawmen of their discussion partners because they are using the same terms, but talking about completely different things. But the moment you go in depth and use definitions, you just get labeled an autist. *sigh*
 
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The UK version of the Green Party have removed all members expressing concern over it's trans stance, have rejected the Cass Report and agree to anything and everything TRAs demand.

Then they chose a trannie deputy leader who hired her Dad as an advisor, despite being a child rapist.

I do have a tendency to see all politicians as incompetent lying shits, but the Greens take it all the way to undisguised insanity.
 
Only 40-something views yet, very disappointing considering I think the topic is very interesting and deserves discussion.
Yes, you can of course argue "yeah, nigger, we know all of that already, tell us something new" but I think it's worth seeing just how vile these commies are.

Enjoy 1 [A], 2 [A], 3 [A] followup articles, translated by yours truly:

The Green concept of "justice"​


Current news on the decline of education.

Direct Twitter chain:

The core of our government program is, among others: justice. As a foundation for a society that sticks together - and makes progress with that cohesion. Together, we want to ensure more justice. We have concrete proposals for this.
[same tweet as 1st one in OP, I'm not gonna reupload the attached video here]

— Robert Habeck (@roberthabeck) December 28, 2024

So, I've looked at your election program. Beside the fact that it's just a draft and not a program.

In it, there is nothing saying what "justice" is.

It only says that you are supposed to consider everything that the Greens like as "just" and therefore desire it.

The method is saying Amen.

— Hadmut Danisch (@Hadmut) December 28, 2024

And like almost always whenever you criticize Greens or ask them uncomfortable questions, someone from the net fire department immediately comes trolling along:

I think you should really "look" again, then you might find it.

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— Twitch: Darklord_Betzebub – 3x geimpft ️‍ (@betzebub1990) December 29, 2024
[yeah sorry, I'm not gonna translate this wall of text unless someone replies in the thread or messages me and requests it]

This is precisely what I have been describing in the past days when it comes to mathematics and computer science. They don't even know what it is to define a term and describe it in an understandable way. You only get examples which are supposed to hammer it home that "just" - no matter what it is - is somehow a good thing. You don't need to know what it is, you only need to vote in favor of it, without asking questions.

This is exactly the same principle that I have described years ago when it came to the Netzwerk Recherche conference in the NDR. The "New German Media Makers" dictate public broadcasting and the press to not spread "hate", don't let it into forums, are obliged to censor it, because hate is no opinion, so it does not enjoy the fundamental right of freedom of speech [note: freedom of opinion in literal German]. So they reserve for themselves the right, completely arbitrarily and clandestinely, to dictate in the back room what is exempted from the basic right to free speech. At the behest of the Federal Chancellor's Office.

To my question, what exactly "hate" is, how it is defined (curiously, what they themselves are doing there is itself hate in its original sense) I only got the answer that "the discourse" determines that in the moment.

So they don't want to set anything tangible or explain themselves, but instead leave the door open for complete whim, to interpret, subsume, change at every point in time what "hate" happens to be today. They are building a completely empty husk of a word, without any semantics, and with which every undesirable opinion can be marked in the blink of an eye and completely arbitrarily to exempt it from freedom of speech.

Occasionally you hear that "hate" is racist, misogynist, or something of that kind. This is precisely this educational crippledom that I am talking about and have described in mathematics and computer science. They no longer know what a definition is. All they can do (and want to do) is just hinting with two, three examples and leave it completely vague, arbitrary.

And the same is happening with "justice".

Nobody says, nobody learns, what that is.

They only say "just" is good, we want that, and "unjust" - or "justice gap" - is bad, we are against that. There are no questions or further understanding.

And the people are so dumb that they consider such example-ridden or anecdotal descriptions a definition.

And in order for this sophistry to work, this is precisely why the teaching itineraries and classes are made ever more stupid. So the people no longer notice how they are being deceived, but instead think it's normal.




The dishonesty of the Greens in 2020 and Habeck's election program in 2025​


Hear, read, think.

Listen to this:

[again same Tweet as the 1st one in OP]

So "everybody needs to have the same opportunities", but "stronger shoulders" are supposed to carry more than the others.

Somebody who [has graduated with a degree] and works for 20 years is supposed to have "the same opportunities" as someone who never works and only opts for leisure, studies some nonsensical blathering studies, or strives for a Bürgergeld [unemployment money] career path.

You are supposed to read the election program. So far there is only a draft. [again, see OP]

And someone from the Green net fire department - those are the people who are orbiting around Green politicians and attacking everyone who asks questions or criticizes - is throwing this at me:

[again the tweet from up there with the big walls of text]

Item 17: "For us, justice means equal and the biggest possible freedom for everybody"

Item: 18 social justice: "Everyone has the right to material safety and social, political, and cultural participation as well as a life without fearing for your [financial] existence."

— Twitch: Darklord_Betzebub – 3x geimpft ️‍ (@betzebub1990) December 29, 2024

Item 19: "A just society enables an equal right to participate in social life."

Item 23: "Justice means that paid and unpaid work, income, access to education, property, and time are fairly distributed among the sexes."

— Twitch: Darklord_Betzebub – 3x geimpft ️‍ (@betzebub1990) December 29, 2024

It plainly says in items 17, 18, 19, 23 precisely what is meant by justice.

If you cannot read, then please stop harassing other people and take German classes!

— Twitch: Darklord_Betzebub – 3x geimpft ️‍ (@betzebub1990) December 29, 2024

And then the usual tactic of throwing something at me - even a fake in this case - and blocking me immediately so I can no longer reply and it looks like I ran out of ideas on the matter.

Even though it's not even clear where the screenshots of this troll come from. I found it in the basic program from 2020 [archived as attachment] (page 12,13,14). At the time, that was the campaigning theater of Omid Nouripour.

The foundation of Green politics is justice. We have explained it in our basic program: https://cms.gruene.de/uploads/documents/20200125_Grundsatzprogramm.pdf

On pages 13 and 14, we define our understanding of justice in 10 points:

[...]

But that is not being said in the party program draft for 2025. The troll has systematically deceived you.

No word in there says what "justice" is - only what they wish to conclude from it. And what is said in there has got nothing to do with my impression of justice. What does it have to do with "justice" when everybody, even if they don't work, has a guaranteed living for which others then have to work and pay twice and thrice over?

It is Green justice when the entire world can come to Germany to live at the expense of the Germans. It says so in the basic program of 2020.


(18) Every human has to be protected from poverty, because poverty cannot be an accepted part of a just society. But social justice means more than a life without poverty: Everyone has the right to material safety and social, political, and cultural participation as well as a life without fearing for your [financial] existence. For that, you need a strong welfare state that ensures the requirements for a self-determined, happy life, actively enables participation, and makes sure that nobody gets left behind.

This doesn't say "Every German" or "Every human in Germany" or "Every human who is willing to work".

This says, without any restriction, "Every human". That is, all 8 billion. Justice is when Germans pay taxes until they collapse so that every other human, no matter how lazy or criminal, gets provided for.

And this is alleged to be "justice".

And in it, this here:

Everyone has the right to material safety and social, political, and cultural participation as well as a life without fearing for your [financial] existence.
[emphasis added by Danisch, always when I use underscores]

And then:
  • Out with Nazis.
  • Men don't get into positions (women's quota) or are no longer allowed to speak (women's statute)
  • Firewall against the AfD
  • Always voting against the AfD and obstructing everything.
  • "Don't give a platform!" in every way.
  • Chase people out of universities and lectures, fire them from professorships and employment.
  • Get people fired, cut off their income, get their bank accounts closed: "Life without fearing for your [financial] existence."
Shamelessly lying. They did precisely the opposite of what was written in the basic program of 2020.

Or this:

19) A just society enables an equal right to participate in social life. What is required for this are strong public spaces and institutions - good child daycares, kindergartens and schools, colleges, public pools and sports facilities, libraries and theaters, a comprehensive public transportation network, broadband connections for everybody, affordable living space, good healthcare, and equally valued life conditions in the city and in rural areas. In times of individualization in which many people feel lonely, such places are especially important.

You are allowed to swim, run, read (what you still get on offer in libraries, of course only leftist stuff and vegan cooking books) but the list contains nothing that has to do with opinion [speech]. Freedom of opinion and freedom of speech, freedom of research, freedom of the press, and an equal right to those are not in there.

But: Contradictory to the troll, this isn't even included any longer in Habeck's program draft for 2025. Apparently they threw out everything which they didn't act on anyway. That's presumably why this troll intervened as a quick liar.

What Habeck understands as justice cannot be learned from the election program.

And when you ask, a protective minion comes along, quickly deceives you with screenshots from the election program of 2020, and immediately blocks you so you can't reply that it's fake.

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Incidental catch and result​


When googling for the origin of such sentences, I came across a document with teaching material of an 11th grade at the SPIEGEL in which the justice drivel of the political parties is being summarized.

Ultimately, "justice" in the sense of election campaigns is just one thing:

You promise some benefits to some voter group, so you do a kind of voter bribery in the sense of "If you vote for us, you get this and that at the cost of others" - and they call that "justice" so it doesn't sound like corruption and voter bribery and it becomes hard to argue against it.

And the Greens buy the votes of the lazy by promising to them that they don't need to work and can live at the expense of others, because that is allegedly "just".

The taxation of billionaires is the promise that the ones who don't work are going to be particularly well off.

Addendum:

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["You are the one who twists facts and plays net firefighter, nobody else.
What in 'Justice means for us ...' or 'Justice means, ...' is not clearly defined for you?
Go lure people to your ridiculous blogg somewhere else. Rat!"]

What do you think would happen to you in Germany if you were to call Robert Habeck a "rat".

And they call this "equality".




"The Alliance of the Just"​


On the term of justice and its abuse by communists.

Reader's message:

The Green concept of "justice"

Dear Mr. Danisch,

to your blog it fits perfectly that the predecessor of the KPD [Communist Party of Germany] was the founding of the Alliance of the Just [Bund der Gerechten] in 1836. The following milestones from Marx and trash to the Greens are familiar.

Oh, wow.

Wikipedia:

The Alliance of the Just, also self-labeled as League of Justice, was a predecessor and the seed of the later socialist and communist parties of Europe and the world. In 1836, it emerged out of the initiative of the journeyman tailor and first German theoretician of communism, Wilhelm Weitling, in Paris, from the existing League of Outlaws that has been there since 1834. In 1840, its headquarters was relocated under the protection of Karl Shapper to London. There, the League was renamed in 1847 under the influence of the new members Karl Marx and Friedrich Merz to League of Communists.

And the SPD-adjacent Friedrich Ebert Foundation has got a nice list of literature on the subject.

DeGruyter has got a book "League of Communists 1836-1852" with a chapter "Final dissolving of the League of Outlaws and founding of the League of the Just", but it's expensive. They want 30 euros just for that one chapter.

And the University of Sidney has information on a conference:

The Early Socialist Leagues in the History of the German Workers' Movement: From the League of the Just to the Communist League, 1836–1847: A Conference Report

Working Conference on Early Socialist Leagues in the History of the German Workers' Movement (1973: Berlin, Germany); Herzfeld, Hans, 1892–1982; Busch, Otto; Historical Commission of Berlin.
1975


Which now settles the matter of why SPD and Greens keep blathering about "justice", but don't want to say what they understand it to be: Communism, socialism. Just like with "democracy".
 

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The UK version of the Green Party have removed all members expressing concern over it's trans stance, have rejected the Cass Report and agree to anything and everything TRAs demand.

Then they chose a trannie deputy leader who hired her Dad as an advisor, despite being a child rapist.
Be fair, the Cass report came after the child rapist father stuff.
 
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Translation:

The Communist Robert Habeck​


And it's going further along the path towards the Soviet Union.

I often asked the question of what these people actually understand as "justice". Because terms like "justice" and "unjust" are considered the universal game-over argument, without ever saying what it's actually supposed to be. A definition is not being provided. But there is no universal, all-encompassing justice because, for instance, I find what they are doing and demanding there highly unjust.

What is just in financing health and care? Citizen councils could find answers. Our proposal: Finally name the problems and take brave new approaches - without hoping that doing nothing is going to solve everything. Only together we can create solutions that really matter.​
— Robert Habeck (@roberthabeck) January 14, 2025
[translation of the video: "We- I personally find that those who have large incomes because they make money work for them shall participate in financing the welfare state. That's what it's about, that income and wealth which generate revenue don't participate in the solidary financing of the welfare state. That's the basic question. How we do it in detail, we can think about that later. And that might be a great example for us, also as a country, coming to think, an appropriate forum would be, for instance, a citizen council where the citizens in the country discuss: What is just for the financing of health and care? Maybe accompanied by an expert panel that submits suggestions and calculations. And that is how we find a new solution together. But criticizing new solution suggestions that answer the justice question differently, and in my opinion, in a more just way, without submitting their own suggestions, doesn't solve the problem. And that, again, is what we swore to do and what we offer. Even if it sometimes ends up, how do I put it, causing some uncomfortable discussions. Not uncomfortable because we make the life of the people and the debate uncomfortable, but because the problems are simply there and haven't been dealt with in the past. We pledged to do that and I am experiencing it during campaigning that this is also being valued and desired. That is, honesty and integrity in describing the problems and the courage to think through and suggest new ways and leap ahead instead of putting our heads in the sand or waiting for the problems to go away and pretending that not tackling them makes everything better."]

A citizen council, a Soviet, is supposed to do it, with "experts" whispering in their ears what they are supposed to do.

That is fundamentally in violation of democracy. Citizen councils or other councils are not compatible with a democracy. Citizen councils are not democratically legitimated. This is Marxist-Leninist nonsense.

In addition, we know that these alleged "citizen councils" are not being staffed randomly, but the Left/[SPD]/Green and the government control in the background who's allowed to be a member and who isn't.


And what if this citizen council makes a decision on something? Is that binding? Is that a law?

And these people have the gall to call others "enemies of democracy".

I'd be interested, just as a hypothetical, how many of the Greens, including Habeck, would migrate to the GDR today if it still existed.

And whether the GDR would let them in in the first place.

There is a lot supporting the hypothesis that the Greens have been founded and steered by the GDR to destroy West Germany and have been overtaken by the USA after the fall of the Berlin Wall. I don't think that the GDR, if it still existed, would enjoy having those people around. They did shelter the RAF terrorists, but those were vulnerable to bribery and they were kept on a very short leash, had to keep their mouths completely shut and live completely inconspicuous lives in a cover identity.
 
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