Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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ZMOT said:
it was fine because that was people expected, and the klingons where the one of the "main" baddies of TOS. really depends how long it drags on after the hook.
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Trek had run continually for 13-14 years by the time Enterprise came out. People were bored of the same old shit. Fresher shows like Stargate SG-1, Farscape, X-Files and Buffy were more appealing and fun to watch than more stale old Star Trek. With how shit TV is these days I'm sure Enterprise would be seem like Lord of the Rings if it was released today. But back at the end of the 90's there were a lot more choices for quality viewing.

Xena too. I loved that show... for reasons.
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
TOS aesthetics
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That needs to just die. It's like the transformers fanboys wanting "anime accurate" figures from the inconsistently and poorly animated cartoon. Just because the original series looks like shit subsequent shows set in the same time period shouldn't look like shit. Repeat to yourself its just TV I should really just relax.
 
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Chekov.jpg [/SPOILER[

Huh. Unexpected.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I've seen a lot of mental gymnastics to make this true, like how Sisko doesn't count because he's not captain of a ship and the likes. Sisko isn't even the first black Captain we've seen in Star Trek.
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Except he was. Twice even, as the original Defiant got destroyed and replaced with another one. Also Star Trek IV had a black female captain long before STD.
Those woke Hollywood shills are full of shit.
 
Skinwalkers...
The Enterprise is the Milenium Falcon, Data is Lando, the Borg cube is the Deathstar II

Edit: Oh fuck right off...so the next beating of a dead horse will be Captain 7, First Officer Raffi, Navigation officer La Fridge, and Counciller Picard being tormented by Q on the USS Titan Enterprise G.
 
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I liked the series finale and loved that post-credit scene. It's a dab on the shit that the previous showrunners did.
This season had soul and even if we will never get another series like that, we still have nice ending for the TNG era. I think Terry Matalas did a great job.
 
I was cautiously optimistic about the idea of a spinoff on board the Titan, but killing off Shaw and putting Raffi in as first officer has utterly killed my enthusiasm for it. Nobody likes that druggie bitch. Plus it's hard to believe Starfleet would let a captain have their ex lover as their XO.

I'd resisted succumbing to the memberberries thus far but I did get the feels at the credits scene of them playing cards... if only because it's finally over. Hopefully they'll produce a new series in this new improved direction, though it seems weird to me that every Star Trek property nowadays varies wildly in tone & intended audience.

Gotta love the 'fuck you' of bringing Q back and retconning the entirety of S2 though.
 
Feathers McGraw said:
I was cautiously optimistic about the idea of a spinoff on board the Titan, but killing off Shaw and putting Raffi in as first officer has utterly killed my enthusiasm for it. Nobody likes that druggie bitch. Plus it's hard to believe Starfleet would let a captain have their ex lover as their XO.

I'd resisted succumbing to the memberberries thus far but I did get the feels at the credits scene of them playing cards... if only because it's finally over. Hopefully they'll produce a new series in this new improved direction, though it seems weird to me that every Star Trek property nowadays varies wildly in tone & intended audience.

Gotta love the 'fuck you' of bringing Q back and retconning the entirety of S2 though.
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If it were up to me we'd just fucking timeskip and have Jack Crusher be the Captain.

I mean look I like Jeri Ryan, I'd still hit it, but she's already fucking old. She'd be an older captain than Kate Mulgrew was as Janeway! I think they've found an actor who can actually lead a Star Trek series and he's young enough to not look silly in fight scenes. If Star Trek Legacy premieres in 2024 then he'll be roughly the same age as Shatner was when he took the role of Kirk for TOS.

I mean for crying out loud Picard S3 ends with Picard passing the torch to his son and now Q is fucking with him. We already did a Star Trek where the number 2 was the actual lead character; it was called Star Trek Discovery and it fucking suuuucked.

Star Trek Legacy where it's a serialized drama and TNG/DS9/VOY geezers can pop in for a guest star role. Sounds like fun. But it's gotta be the Next Next Generation. No one older than 45 on the main cast.
 
ZMOT said:
never got the hate for it, but then I went in knowing it won't be TNG/VOY/DS9 but star trek before it becomes "star trek". I suspect people simply expected more of the same and then got pissy it wasn't, you can see that quite often in nerd fandoms.

the xindi arc was kinda meh (and dragged on way too long), but overall enterprise was good imo. also one of the best villains-turned-bro with shran, and I will forever mourn we never got more of it - season 5 was supposed to feature the romulan war with shran becoming a regular on the bridge, imagine weekly jeffrey combs kino! also fucking kzinti! and more mirror universe shenanigans (back when it was cool and before STD utterly ruined it not to mention more t'pol midriff).
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I didn't watch Enterprise in its entirety until just a few years ago and I thought it was... fine... but got quite entertaining and good right around the end and up to the moment where it was cancelled. Shame it took longer than the others to fire up because it was on the cusp of being classic.
 
Enjoyed the finale. Personal ranking order for each season is:

Season 3
Season 1 (I still hold there were some really unique and good ideas here that just needed better execution.)
Season 2 (highlights only being the Q parts and final goodbye.)

IMO it's a FAR better ending for the TNG cast as a whole rather than Nemesis. Not sure why so many people were clamoring for someone to die when we went 20 years and finally realized the mistake it was to kill one of the core 7 in the last TNG film. This might get into a broader topic of why deaths feel so obligatory in serial television these days, so I digress.

That post credit scene actually has me wanting more. Would 100% give a spinoff a chance.
 
Fark me, I don't know what to think. It's peak shlock. While it was great to see again, the Enterprise D looked CG, unlike from TNG. I preferred the Enterprise-A, but seeing the D was great. I think it being so agile and maneuverable made it look fake. A Borg cube being in Jupiter is retarded, in BOBW Starfleet had Jupiter station, surely they would have noticed it disappeared, and surely their sensors would have picked up the Borg?

The Father/Son story felt unearned, like I don't think they did enough to make it viable. The villain switcharoo was dumb. It wasn't well hinted at, the good guys had no sense of something deeper driving it. Just bad writing.

7, worked as a captain, but I still wished raffi was dead (not knowing 1701, really?). I didn't enjoy the cook. It felt like one of those bits in a war film, where someone goes, I'm only an X and the leader goes, well today your a Y because we need you to be, and they di Y well enough. They kept undercutting that with lame, shit. The episode kept up the allusions to previous movies, and entries in the Star Trek universe, and the music was good.

If I turn off my brain, it moved at a good pace, resolved things nicely, it just didn't fully fit in with existing trek. It is the best of Picard, but that isn't saying much. I enjoyed the first 4-5 episodes of Season 3, thought 6-9 were dumb, and as the second of a two parter this was an okay resolution. I think many people are clouded by member berries, and that's fine. It was ok, not great and far better than Seasons 1 or 2.

The 7, Raffi, Jack interaction didn't really work.
 
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