Lord Frogmire Appreciation Thread - The Better Brother (Formerly Known as Synthetic Man Appreciation Thread) - Might have an account here

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Bogliacci said:

Saying what anyone with a brain is thinking
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I've shit on Synthetic Man before in the past on this thread and I'm going to do it again here. He cannot articulate his points in a nuanced way at all. At all. I'm convinced that nuance is lost on him when he talks about his points and he just reads them verbatim from /v/ or from OneAngryGamer (another really stupid guy, but that's redundant) or NicheGamer. The problem is he doesn't understand why people have a problem. He just assumes that the people who wrote that on principle have a problem with political undertones in general.

He rants at the end of the video about how the Fallout tv show is going to have political messaging like he's saying that having political messaging in a Fallout game is a bad thing. What he fails to understand here is that Fallout New Vegas and even Fallout fucking 1 had political messaging and undertones to it because Fallout 1 (even American Krogan a guy I'm also not a huge fan of eluded to this, say what you want about him) is supposed to be a mockery of the cold war military industrial complex 60's America. Fallout New Vegas was a very political game and the theme surrounding New Vegas was perspective and solutions and starting over fresh in untamed territory. Why Fallout New Vegas was so successful in that regard was because none of the points any of the sides made during their time in the spotlight were ever right or wrong. Yes, it might be a pragmatic choice to go with Mr. House, but Mr. House, as augmented as that guy is, is still a human and giving 100% of the power to someone who still has the mental and emotional frailties of a human is a risky thing to do. Who knows what House will eventually do with that power.

Synthetic Man, however, seems to articulate, or think I don't know, that political messaging and what the article says on principle is bad. No, the problem people have with political messaging in games is that they're handled in a juvenile way with no nuance or any kind of debate at all and they're usually portrayed through strawmen as a way for the writer or artist to vent about a political group they don't like.

If I were Synthetic Man, I'd have articulated my point like this, "Multiple perspectives, that sounds great, right? Well if you've seen anything made in America recently, you'll know that that's typically not the case. I guarantee you that the Enclave is going to be a strawman for republicans, the Brotherhood of Steel are a liberal organization all about diversity and inclusion, you'll have generic raider gangs who's 'perspective' is just take what you can take and if you take it it's yours. Multiple perspectives my ass, I guarantee you it's just going to be America bad, new America good. That's always the message that gets pushed in media nowadays. No nuance, no debate, nothing, just strawmen and venting about wanting less government."

Instead he just articulates it like "Politcal messaging bag. Fallout is now political" and fallout fans old and new are just going to side-eye him wondering what the fuck he's talking about. He's not going to change anyone's minds and he's just going to arrogantly defend this point with circular arguments like he always does with:

"Well I don't know what to tell you, Fallout's now political. Get it through your head."

"Fallout New Vegas has always been political. The whole point of the game was a group of factions with differing perspectives."

"Well I don't know what to tell you, Fallout's now political. Get it through your head."

"But wasn't Fallout 1 also a parody of McCarthyist America? You know, the time when America was seen as War Mongerers during the Cold War?"

"Well I don't know what to tell you, Fallout's now political. Get it through your head."
 
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Cheeseknife said:
Is it really stupid to date a black girl, though? Like maybe if she was "dah hood" type, but maybe Synth thought she was exceptional. All niggers are black, but not all blacks are niggers.

Shame that she cheated on him, but it's not like cheating is exclusive to race.
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I'm no one's mum so it's not my place to tell you what to do with regards to dating. But speaking from experience, black girls are up there with Latinas with how fucking insane they can get. They will buck break you harder than any of Tariq's fantasies. And if you're not into that you're going to be miserable. So whenever someone says they are involved with a black girl. I wince and feel a small amount of sympathy.

Back on topic, I do feel Synthetic Man needs to learn to understand the other side of the arguments he makes. At least so he can make a better counter argument. Then again for someone who claims to be a based /ourguy/ he said Baldur's Gate 3 was a good game. So I'm wary of any opinions he has.
 
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Dave. said:
Fallout is now political" and fallout fans old and new are just going to side-eye him wondering what the fuck he's talking about. He's not going to change anyone's minds and he's just going to arrogantly defend this point with circular arguments like he always does with:
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All he had to say was people don't want ham fisted messaging in their media. But Synth is too retarded for that.
 
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Dave. said:
He cannot articulate his points in a nuanced way at all.
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That isn't necessarily a bad thing. Interacting with some of the folks in his chat, most of the people who follow him aren't into the nuance. Synth doesn't really read books and I think he gets most of his information from entertainers rather than academics.

Dave. said:
He rants at the end of the video about how the Fallout tv show is going to have political messaging like he's saying that having political messaging in a Fallout game is a bad thing....
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Dave. said:
Fallout New Vegas was a very political game
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Dave. said:
Synthetic Man, however, seems to articulate, or think I don't know, that political messaging and what the article says on principle is bad.
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Oh, come on now, blatant political messaging is one of the most common complaints everyone has about modern media. It's not something you take at face value; political messaging is actually worthwhile when it's considerate of actual politics. What Synth is referring to is that the show is going to be preachy from modern Leftoids. We're never going to get Caesar talking about Machiavelli or Hegel. We're never going to get House telling you to look out the window at what Democracy gets you. Instead, it's going to be more leftist tripe ideologies and not real politics. That is what Synth means when he says "political messaging."

Dave. said:
If I were Synthetic Man, I'd have articulated my point like this
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And you'd put half your viewers to sleep. I wouldn't be one, I actually have the ability to listen and read. But Synth's general audience is very autistic. Synth is probably correct in saying that if he added structure to any of his videos then many of his audience just wouldn't watch them. They'd get bored. I think most of his viewers enjoy the autism. That's just the way it is. That's the way a lot of YouTube is.

I'm not even saying this because I like it. I wish it were different. I'm just telling you what I think the reality is.
 
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Cheeseknife said:
Oh, come on now, blatant political messaging is one of the most common complaints everyone has about modern media. It's not something you take at face value; political messaging is actually worthwhile when it's considerate of actual politics. What Synth is referring to is that the show is going to be preachy from modern Leftoids.
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Pretty much, to the point it poisoned the well on politics in general. There is just too much bias made by people who have no real life experience.
 
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Cheeseknife said:
Oh, come on now, blatant political messaging is one of the most common complaints everyone has about modern media. It's not something you take at face value; political messaging is actually worthwhile when it's considerate of actual politics. What Synth is referring to is that the show is going to be preachy from modern Leftoids. We're never going to get Caesar talking about Machiavelli or Hegel. We're never going to get House telling you to look out the window at what Democracy gets you. Instead, it's going to be more leftist tripe ideologies and not real politics. That is what Synth means when he says "political messaging."
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I've said it once, I'll say it again:
The problem is not "politics", but "political activism".
When House is telling you to look out the window, it's not the writers being activists against democracy, it's simply a political opinion.
When modern media is telling you something, it's the writers being activists in favor of that something.
 
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Cheeseknife said:
And you'd put half your viewers to sleep. I wouldn't be one, I actually have the ability to listen and read. But Synth's general audience is very autistic. Synth is probably correct in saying that if he added structure to any of his videos then many of his audience just wouldn't watch them. They'd get bored. I think most of his viewers enjoy the autism. That's just the way it is. That's the way a lot of YouTube is.
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Accurate but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. If you actually go in depth on things like these in a medium like game/tv show review you end up like the video essay channels with 4 hours of runtime and 3:50 is tangent explanations of concepts ect.

No point in doing that, the only thing you really do there is gain a defense against leftoids who hate you anyway saying "Akctually politics were always in fallout", and who cares at this point? They'll complain no matter what, people in the know who you're actually making the video for understand what you mean.
I suppose if he really wanted to educate his audience he could start adding in 1 more complex concept per review or something, but IDK if he wants that.
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
I've said it once, I'll say it again:
The problem is not "politics", but "political activism".
When House is telling you to look out the window, it's not the writers being activists against democracy, it's simply a political opinion.
When modern media is telling you something, it's the writers being activists in favor of that something.
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Past games would also have a pretty clear political message the devs agreed on, it was just a less controversial political message. The messages now are simply more unpalletable to the average person playing because the political view itself is becoming harder to swallow, but it is working. You can tell with the less switched on crowd, games that now come out and have the kind of messages/scenes that in 2018 would be considered woke and political are now considered non-political, neutral even and you're the weird guy if you're complaining.

It's just frog boiling at the core of it.
 
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Sniperwoof said:
How so?

NCR - neoconservative imperialists
Legion - fascist/authoritarian
Mr House - lolbertarian
Independent/yes man - not explicitly political/up to headcannon

It's not like there's an ending where you can join a troon commune and lead them to Hoover Dam.
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Because no one did a Roman salute with one hand while strangling a fat black tranny in the other.
People who think New Vegas is left wing have never played it.
 
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Hiphopopotamus said:
People who think New Vegas is left wing have never played it.
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Yes and no. There is the one Brotherhood of Steel companion, Veronica Santangelo, who says she fell in love with another woman. She mentions how she wishes to find a dress that makes her feel like a sexy woman that also doesn't attract the male gaze. To be fair, the game was released well before the culture wars started, but if that doesn't reek of left leaning beliefs then I don't know what does.
 
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Is Synth going to stream the Game Awards? If not, does anyone know any other YouTubers that will roast this garbage?
 
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