Taylor Swift - Love her, hate her, discuss her. We have a Swifties thread in Community Watch.

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Best Album/Era?

  • Taylor Swift (Self Titled Debut Album)

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Fearless

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • Speak Now

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Red

    Votes: 6 9.2%
  • 1989

    Votes: 19 29.2%
  • Reputation

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Lover

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Folklore & Evermore

    Votes: 9 13.8%
  • Midnights

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • We're living in it as we speak.

    Votes: 10 15.4%

  • Total voters
    65

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I've been thinking about doing something like this for a while, so here's a place where one can talk about Taylor Swift, her music, her ability to move entire economies and maybe some industries, her versions that're seen as artistic statements but was probably something she just did to screw her enemies over, her rabid fans who'd buy tickets to a college graduation to see their goddess, her beef with Kanye....and her politics.

It's T-Swizzle's world, I guess. And we're living in it. Probably since the time I've been in middle school.
 
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I have no idea how long this has been going on. But I just learned of this stuff a couple years ago.




Taylor Swift’s associates dismayed by New York Times piece speculating on her sexuality: ‘Invasive, untrue and inappropriate’​

A controversial New York Times opinion piece that openly speculated this week whether Taylor Swift is a closeted queer person has drawn the ire of the pop superstar’s associates, CNN has learned.

“Because of her massive success, in this moment there is a Taylor-shaped hole in people’s ethics,” a person close to the situation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, told CNN. “This article wouldn’t have been allowed to be written about Shawn Mendes or any male artist whose sexuality has been questioned by fans.”

“There seems to be no boundary some journalists won’t cross when writing about Taylor, regardless of how invasive, untrue, and inappropriate it is - all under the protective veil of an ‘opinion piece,’” the person added.


In the 5,000-word piece, written in The Times’ opinion section, editor Anna Marks strung together a long list of LGBTQ references — some overt, some perceived — Swift has weaved into her songs and performances. Marks suggested that Swift had, perhaps, for years been trying to signal that she identifies with the queer community.

“In isolation, a single dropped hairpin is perhaps meaningless or accidental, but considered together, they’re the unfurling of a ballerina bun after a long performance,” Marks wrote. “Those dropped hairpins began to appear in Ms. Swift’s artistry long before queer identity was undeniably marketable to mainstream America. They suggest to queer people that she is one of us.”

Swift has in the past embraced the LGBTQ community, taking stands in support of her fans amid a record number of anti-gay bills introduced around the country, calling her concerts a “safe space” for LGBTQ people. But she has denied that she is a member of the LGBTQ community. In a 2019 interview with Vogue magazine, Swift said she has simply aimed to be a good ally to the LGBTQ community as their rights come under attack.

“Rights are being stripped from basically everyone who isn’t a straight white cisgender male,” Swift told the magazine. “I didn’t realize until recently that I could advocate for a community that I’m not a part of.”

Swift also wrote in the prologue to her re-recorded “1989” album, which was released last year, that she surrounded herself with female friends because society speculated incessantly about whether she was romantically involved with males she was publicly seen with.

“If I only hung out with my female friends, people couldn’t sensationalize or sexualize that — right? I would learn later on that people could and people would,” she wrote.

It is highly unusual for a reputable news organization like The Times to publish an article speculating on a person’s sexuality, let alone a figure of immense cultural significance who has previously denied the insinuations. Such pieces are widely considered to be inappropriate, and The Times received some criticism from readers for its decision to publish its piece on Swift.

Marks, seemingly aware of the article’s questionable assertions, preemptively addressed critics in the piece, writing, “I know that discussing the potential of a star’s queerness before a formal declaration of identity feels, to some, too salacious and gossip-fueled to be worthy of discussion.”

“I share many of these reservations,” Marks wrote. “But the stories that dominate our collective imagination shape what our culture permits artists and their audiences to say and be. Every time an artist signals queerness and that transmission falls on deaf ears, that signal dies. Recognizing the possibility of queerness — while being conscious of the difference between possibility and certainty — keeps that signal alive.”

A spokesperson for The Times declined to comment directly on the criticism from Swift’s associates and pointed to what Marks wrote in the published essay about the matter.
 
The worship of Taylor Swift is utterly inane.
Tell me specifically what is so amazing about her extremely average presentation.
A fair opinion is that she has cultivated a community feeling among young (predominately) white women. She offers a sense of belonging in a way other artists merely have worshipping fans. At UK universities there are Taylor Swift societies. At two I have worked at the members were some of the highest of all societies, and when her film was released, they booked a cinema out. Swift is more than her music like English football is more than a game. That is why she is so popular. I do not know how she did it, and a lot of her success has been manufactured by others, but I remain interested in it. I have seen women talk about her lyrics in a way English students talk about Eliot poems. I imagine, though I cannot really say, it is a two track obsession. First they identify with her. Her lyrics are direct (from my cursory glance) and are easily identifiable. They are like the genre of 'literary' novels that are basically the formula of 20 something master's graduate who is cynical, depressed, and unloved and is just above it all from the idiots around her. It is a genre that writes itself. There is no growing up from that character and so people flock to it to confirm biases. Second, she has an image and air of mystery but reveals enough in public and in her songs to make her fascinating. Often poets, though we like to think of art independent of its author, do form our interest through character and image. I love William Blake but that is partly because of his mystical experiences. Swift is aware of that power. She is making herself an unfolding story that fans must keep up with.

Or to put it better: “Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes, or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.”
 
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The worship of Taylor Swift is utterly inane.
Tell me specifically what is so amazing about her extremely average presentation.
It’s because she’s extremely average. The era of bombshell pop singers is over because they make fat and ugly girls feel bad. So the alternatives are insane whores like Demi Lovato and Halsey, ugly nigger whores like Lizzo and Cardi B, transracial whores like Ariana Grande…and then you got a boring white girl who sings about boring white girl things.

The whole Swiftie thing is pure marketing. There will never be a young white girl who gets this kind of attention in America again so they should enjoy it while it lasts. Too bland to ever say or do anything controversial, she will keep singing about having crushes on boys in her 50s. It’s kind of pathetic but her fans and white girls in general are equally pathetic.
 
It’s because she’s extremely average. The era of bombshell pop singers is over because they make fat and ugly girls feel bad. So the alternatives are insane whores like Demi Lovato and Halsey, ugly nigger whores like Lizzo and Cardi B, transracial whores like Ariana Grande…and then you got a boring white girl who sings about boring white girl things.

The whole Swiftie thing is pure marketing. There will never be a young white girl who gets this kind of attention in America again so they should enjoy it while it lasts. Too bland to ever say or do anything controversial, she will keep singing about having crushes on boys in her 50s. It’s kind of pathetic but her fans and white girls in general are equally pathetic.
Is she gonna be Madonna in 25 years?
 
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