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Tesla says it will assist police probe into fatal crash in China

U.S. automaker Tesla said on Sunday it will assist Chinese police investigating a crash involving one of its Model Y cars after local media reports said two people had died and three were injured when the driver lost control of the vehicle.
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November 13, 2022 8:25 AM UTC

BEIJING, Nov 13 (Reuters) - U.S. automaker Tesla (TSLA.O) said on Sunday it will assist Chinese police investigating a crash involving one of its Model Y cars after local media reports said two people had died and three were injured when the driver lost control of the vehicle.

The incident on Nov. 5 in the southern province of Guangdong killed a motorcyclist and a high school girl, Jimu News reported, posting a video of a car driving at high speed crashing into other vehicles and a cyclist.



"Police are currently seeking a third party appraisal agency to identify the truth behind this accident and we will actively provide any necessary assistance," Elon Musk's electric vehicle maker told Reuters in a message on Sunday, cautioning against believing "rumours".

China is Tesla's second-largest market, and the crash was among the top trending topics on the Weibo social media platform on Sunday.

Jimu News quoted traffic police as saying the cause of the incident in Chaozhou city had not been identified and an unnamed family member of the driver who said the 55-year-old had issues with the brake pedal when he was about to pull over in front of his family store.

Tesla said videos showed that the car's brake lights were not on when the car was speeding and that its data showed issues such as there being no action to step on the brakes throughout the vehicle's journey.

Calls to police in Raoping, the county where the accident happened, went unanswered on Sunday.

Tesla has faced claims of brake failure in China before.

In its statement to Reuters, the company said a Chinese car owner had been ordered by a court to publicly apologise and compensate the firm after it ruled that comments he had made to the media about issues with his brakes were inconsistent with the facts and had harmed Tesla's reputation.

Reuters could not immediately verify Tesla's assertion.

Last year, an unhappy customer caused a social media stir by clambering atop a Tesla at the Shanghai auto show to protest the company's handling of her complaints about malfunctioning brakes involved with a car accident.

In that instance, Tesla said speeding violations were behind her crash but promised to improve how it addressed customer complaints.
 
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And this is why self driving is not going to be replacing human drivers for several years. Even if people get into more accidents, companies like Tesla look real bad when you can blame something like this squarely on a software malfunction.

There's going to be a market again for vehicles without all of this computerization, probably kit vehicles, where you can actually manually control things if fly by wire gets out of hand. There continue to be more and more things between the driver and what the vehicle will actually do.
 
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Your Starter for 10 said:
This is clear proof that America's space program and the greatest information dissemination system ever devised are owned by a Chinese puppet. No further evidence needed.
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Tesla has one of their gigafactories, at least one, in China, and this was their vehicle that ran over several people after the driver supposedly tried to use automatic parking or something. Look in the people dying thread if you care to see the grisly evidence. Of course Tesla is going to help their police, corrupt as they are, investigate this. They'd do it if it happened in any of their other manufacturing hubs. It makes them look awful.
 
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Tesla has one of their gigafactories, at least one, in China, and this was their vehicle that ran over several people after the driver supposedly tried to use automatic parking or something. Look in the people dying thread if you care to see the grisly evidence. Of course Tesla is going to help their police, corrupt as they are, investigate this. They'd do it if it happened in any of their other manufacturing hubs. It makes them look awful.
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My understanding of the Chinese legal system regarding auto accidents is that as long as the driver (1) did not make eye contact with the pedestrian, and (2) the pedestrian died all the way (as opposed to just being injured), then it was a complete write-off, and the driver was free and clear. I guess having an automatic parking mechanism or some other auto-driving feature muddies the water.
 
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My understanding of the Chinese legal system regarding auto accidents is that as long as the driver (1) did not make eye contact with the pedestrian, and (2) the pedestrian died all the way (as opposed to just being injured), then it was a complete write-off, and the driver was free and clear. I guess having an automatic parking mechanism or some other auto-driving feature muddies the water.
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It's definitely going to be an interesting precedent for future laws in general if it can be found that one of their automatic features was actually at fault.
 
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No one has EVER pressed the accelerator peddle when they thought they were pressing the break. EVER. NEVER EVER HAPPENED.

Certified retard moment.

I don't understand why someone wouldn't in the moment stop and realise what is going on. Take the feet off the peddles. Instead of just keeping their foot on the wrong peddle. Yet, I am at least from an advanced shit hole country. I have observed that societies, cultures and people need to progress a bit before just adopting technologies and practices from more advanced societies. There are steps in culture and development in the west to how we do things. Which when just given to the third world, they don't have the steps to understand properly.

So this person gets their fancy spaceship car. Can drive around with all the magic of it. Then in a moment lose any ability to understand or troubleshoot what is going on and just keep their foot on the peddle they think is the break as they accelerate and hit objects. Not knowing what is going on.
 
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Toolbox said:
There's going to be a market again for vehicles without all of this computerization, probably kit vehicles, where you can actually manually control things if fly by wire gets out of hand. There continue to be more and more things between the driver and what the vehicle will actually do.
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There already is, the problem is supply. Right now, speaking for myself, I'd either need to scour secondhand sites to find a car that's from the mid 1990s or older, or look for surplus Humvees, or overseas for ex-Soviet military vehicles, to find a vehicle that isn't computerized. While I'd happily drive a UAZ-469 or something like it, I'll be getting buttfucked by importation fees/shipping costs and any spare parts would also need to be imported from overseas. Older cars that are domestically made are running into problems like this as well.

"Cash for Clunkers" and other such problems did wonders to get all of the reliable not/less-computerized used cars off the roads, forcing you to drive some unreliable McCar.
 
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Why wouldn't hitting the break pedal immediately cause a disconnect of power to the motors? Its a fucking electrical car, you just hit the breaks and it should flip a switch disconnecting power to the motors. Especially with the accelerator not being pressed.
 
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"Cash for Clunkers" and other such problems did wonders to get all of the reliable not/less-computerized used cars off the roads, forcing you to drive some unreliable McCar.
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Did those kind of 'services' really just buy the vehicles for scrap and pay out for raw material cost? Fuck.
 
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In the video you can see the break lights were on all the way.
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I get why you think that, but you're mistaken as to the nature of Telsa model Y break lights. The outer red you are seeing is the lights being on. Within that is the break lights. It's unclear to really see, but there'd be a brighter glow within that red outer line.

If that isn't clear, look to the back windshield. There is a horizontal break light at the top on the model Y which is not engaged in the video.

EDIT: See how it looks driving with lights on.
 
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Did those kind of 'services' really just buy the vehicles for scrap and pay out for raw material cost? Fuck.
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Yep. I was a younger teenager when they were really big, but a lot of rednecks would haul old cars they didn't want/need anymore and instead of fixing them up to sell, they'd just hand them over for scrap to programs like that.
With how many videos I have seen regarding "restorations" of old cars, I am left wondering how many of these vehicles were truly just fit for scrap, and how many could actually have been salvaged and put back on the road.
 
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I get why you think that, but you're mistaken as to the nature of Telsa model Y break lights. The outer red you are seeing is the lights being on. Within that is the break lights. It's unclear to really see, but there'd be a brighter glow within that red outer line.

If that isn't clear, look to the back windshield. There is a horizontal break light at the top on the model Y which is not engaged in the video.
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If it was a computer failure leading to the brakes not turning on, surely some signal lights would also not operate. Why is the driver shown very clearly trying to park, then their vehicle just takes off? They actively turn out of the way of others while they careen faster and faster, so they were still paying attention to their controls. I don't see them just having hit the wrong pedal and just kept their foot on it. But we'll see.
 
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If it was a computer failure leading to the brakes not turning on, surely some signal lights would also not operate. Why is the driver shown very clearly trying to park, then their vehicle just takes off? They actively turn out of the way of others while they careen faster and faster, so they were still paying attention to their controls. I don't see them just having hit the wrong pedal and just kept their foot on it. But we'll see.
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But people pressing the wrong peddle is a really common mistake that leads to crashes. I see a malfunction in the person's brain, pulling up to park, and accidentally pressing the wrong peddle. As they thought they were breaking they are focusing on steering and everything else. Not correcting the initial mistake.

That is far more likely to me than the computer just going haywire. I don't even think they're designed in a way like that. They're very robust systems that have error checking built in to not just rocket. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying on my view it's way more likely the person had a moment of retardation.
 
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do teslas not have handbreaks or do chinese people not know how to use that mystery stick?
 
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