The Demonization of Effort - Bemoaning Pajamas at Work

[Anonitolia]

Professional standards don't exist for anything anymore. Luxury barely exists in any sincere fashion after half a century of bohemian elites trying to tear down every single trapping of old-school upper-class society. Putting effort into work is demonized as cringe or dissuaded against by an atrocious work culture. All these things and more make me very sad. Do they make you sad too?

EDIT: someone below me helped put what I mean into words near-perfectly

If you dedicate your life to your work, everyone lectures you about being "healthy" and having a "balanced" life, and everyone speaks through ten layers of irony because they aren't willing to stand up for their own right to an opinion. For example, people call things "extra", or say that they "didn't have to go that hard" when effort is put in.

And of course they do: It shines a punishing light directly onto their inadequacies. The kinds of people who use these phrases do not see their betters in any particular domain as inspiration and something to aspire to: Aspiration would mean that you aren't already perfect. Aspiration means there's something not good enough about yourself, and a lot of people can't face that.

People are also big believers in natural talent and being born superior to others, and see anyone who works their way to proficiency in something as a kind of fraud compared to someone for whom it came naturally. Thus, if something doesn't come naturally to them, there's no point in trying: They'll never be Mozart, no matter how much time they spend on the piano, so it's better for the ego not to put in the effort, so as not to be compared.

ETA: Also, I'll add that in the domain of programming, at least, the old way was careful and slow, and as tools have gotten more convenient, the discipline has gotten more accessible, and corporations have started favoring what I'll call "commodity coders" a/k/a incompetent teams of Indians who fuck everything up.

Oh, also, planned obsolescence and the enshittification of everything. Communists would say it's an eventuality of capitalism, but I would say that the only reason it's eventual instead of immediate is that cultural forces can slow and prevent many such eventualities, and our culture is failing to do so. It's not just a blind pursuit of profits: "Go Woke, Go Broke" exists for a reason. Businesses are losing money on wokeshit instead of losing money because they make things that only need to be bought once. That's culture, not economics, and it can change.

many thanks, Polyarmory!

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Give real examples crybaby

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Professional standards don't exist for anything anymore. Luxury barely exists in any sincere fashion after half a century of bohemian elites trying to tear down every single trapping of old-school upper-class society. Putting effort into work is demonized as cringe or dissuaded against by an atrocious work culture. All these things and more make me very sad. Do they make you sad too?

This sounds like you're conflating "an attempt was made" memes and the general corporate unappreciation of wagies trying to work a little harder for something.

 

[Neodanthril]

bohemian elites

The words you are looking for are "Jews" and "cia niggers."

sounds like you're conflating

I thought he was talking about the general style trend of people not dressing like Gregory Peck and instead wearing their pajamas and Crocs to the grocery store and generally how ugly things are aesthetically.

 

[C. G. B. Spender]

I thought he was talking about the general style trend of people not dressing like Gregory Peck and instead wearing their pajamas and Crocs to the grocery store and generally have ugly things are aesthetically

I thought he meant poor people (or hipsters) water down the formerly upper-class exclusive luxuries and ruin their neighborhoods/areas.
They kinda do because poor people make everything they touch seem more common and dirty, if not destroyed completely when talking about areas that used to be something like Harlem in NYC before black people for an example.

 

[Nicholas Gur]

OP big mad I put 16 less fries in the bag than the acceptable average.

 

[Polyarmory]

I don't know how the rest of you aren't seeing this. OP is right. If you dedicate your life to your work, everyone lectures you about being "healthy" and having a "balanced" life, and everyone speaks through ten layers of irony because they aren't willing to stand up for their own right to an opinion. For example, people call things "extra", or say that they "didn't have to go that hard" when effort is put in.

And of course they do: It shines a punishing light directly onto their inadequacies. The kinds of people who use these phrases do not see their betters in any particular domain as inspiration and something to aspire to: Aspiration would mean that you aren't already perfect. Aspiration means there's something not good enough about yourself, and a lot of people can't face that.

People are also big believers in natural talent and being born superior to others, and see anyone who works their way to proficiency in something as a kind of fraud compared to someone for whom it came naturally. Thus, if something doesn't come naturally to them, there's no point in trying: They'll never be Mozart, no matter how much time they spend on the piano, so it's better for the ego not to put in the effort, so as not to be compared.

Among niggers in particular, there's also a dismissiveness toward anyone who demonstrates that the hood is escapable. For example, any immigrants from Africa who make it will be "Uncle Tom ass niggas" or whatever if they made it to the middle class by getting educated and employed.

If you haven't noticed any of this, you're retarded. I won't comment on fashion because I don't know how to without powerleveling.

ETA: Also, I'll add that in the domain of programming, at least, the old way was careful and slow, and as tools have gotten more convenient, the discipline has gotten more accessible, and corporations have started favoring what I'll call "commodity coders" a/k/a incompetent teams of Indians who fuck everything up.

Oh, also, planned obsolescence and the enshittification of everything. Communists would say it's an eventuality of capitalism, but I would say that the only reason it's eventual instead of immediate is that cultural forces can slow and prevent many such eventualities, and our culture is failing to do so. It's not just a blind pursuit of profits: "Go Woke, Go Broke" exists for a reason. Businesses are losing money on wokeshit instead of losing money because they make things that only need to be bought once. That's culture, not economics, and it can change.

 

[Male Idiot]

On one hand the standards went lower.

On the other hand, so did the value of work.

If you aren't getting paid well, you do the bare minimum. This is a two sided coin, and gig economy plus short term job hopping only increase it.

Wagie and corpo each try to squeeze out as much money from the other as they can, with the least effort.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Modern society is incredibly nepotistic and standard real world productive effort was replaced by social effort of kissing up to the right people. If you are a productive member of society, you might as well be a cow that everyone else sees as a sucker.

 

[ZeCommissar]

OP is definitely on to something, and its far worse than the single mom showing up to work in pajamas.

It seems like American culture as a whole is becoming rotten with this shit. Eurofag and leaf posters have to comment on their own experiences, but I suspect it has permeated through most Western nations as a whole.

When it comes to work @Male Idiot is right. Honestly, what do you expect from some jobs? I remember being 18 working at jobs similar to McWagies and not giving a single fuck. Do you really expect me to care about someone's order being wrong when I'm literally only going to work there for 6 months before I bounce and get payed 2x more?

Of course work ethic is important in life, but there's only a handful of industries where improved work ethic actually gets you meaningful advancement over time. The only reason it seems like people "put more effort" back in the day when it comes to low-paying jobs is because people actually got their asses fired if their boss didn't like the work being put out.

There are few things more demoralizing than working a job with a coworker that does the bare minimum, and the boss knows they do the bare minimum yet nothing happens, and they still make the same amount of money you do. The real problem I suspect is that this is going on in industries where the products matter in the functioning of society like healthcare and vehicle manufacturing. Lets not even begin to talk about corpos cutting a billion corners to get that product out faster and having the airplane fall apart in the sky. Your own damn boss isn't even putting in the effort sometimes.

Anyway it's not just the demonization of effort at work. It's about about lack of effort in everything. Look at the HAES movement. They believe that fat fucks that look like balloons whose only exercise is grabbing snacks from the fridge are just as healthy as a man that goes to the gym every day for 30+ minutes. Why put effort into your health? Size doesn't determine health anyway!

We have people out here posting that "if you can't handle me at my worst..." teenage girl bullshit at 30 years old. Instead of improving themselves to be a better partner worth dating, they cry that the other sex is intrinsically sociopathic and evil for not just accepting them automatically. This happens in both men and women.

Why try to make wealth when we just take all of Elon's Musk money?

Why why why? I could post probably 20 different examples. We live in a time period where even the poorest man can become rich and move up the social ladder and he doesn't even have to risk his life. This would be unthinkable in most countries just a few centuries ago. Despite this we have more people giving up before they even try. A slow suicide if you will.

 

[Divine Power]

Fuck cucking your life for useless corporations, this is not hard work it's a form of cuckoldry

 

[Male Idiot]

Corporatism has really done a bad job for work ethics.

A replacable work unit will not do half the work as Arnold the Master Carpenter who is renowned and admired for working for Berg&Co for 40 years.

You get no job security, no pay, no advancement options as a wagie. That curtails effort. There is no longer any passion in work. The boss orders you to get 50 forms filled out so that it looks good on the yearly report. The forms are useless, mean nothing, and since you already did your job, you do it as a freebie.

Old job tale:
-Register more people. Every buyer!
-They don't want to.
-Make up emails so the numbers go up.

 

[Anonitolia]

I don't know how the rest of you aren't seeing this. OP is right. If you dedicate your life to your work, everyone lectures you about being "healthy" and having a "balanced" life, and everyone speaks through ten layers of irony because they aren't willing to stand up for their own right to an opinion. For example, people call things "extra", or say that they "didn't have to go that hard" when effort is put in.

And of course they do: It shines a punishing light directly onto their inadequacies. The kinds of people who use these phrases do not see their betters in any particular domain as inspiration and something to aspire to: Aspiration would mean that you aren't already perfect. Aspiration means there's something not good enough about yourself, and a lot of people can't face that.

People are also big believers in natural talent and being born superior to others, and see anyone who works their way to proficiency in something as a kind of fraud compared to someone for whom it came naturally. Thus, if something doesn't come naturally to them, there's no point in trying: They'll never be Mozart, no matter how much time they spend on the piano, so it's better for the ego not to put in the effort, so as not to be compared.

ETA: Also, I'll add that in the domain of programming, at least, the old way was careful and slow, and as tools have gotten more convenient, the discipline has gotten more accessible, and corporations have started favoring what I'll call "commodity coders" a/k/a incompetent teams of Indians who fuck everything up.

Oh, also, planned obsolescence and the enshittification of everything. Communists would say it's an eventuality of capitalism, but I would say that the only reason it's eventual instead of immediate is that cultural forces can slow and prevent many such eventualities, and our culture is failing to do so. It's not just a blind pursuit of profits: "Go Woke, Go Broke" exists for a reason. Businesses are losing money on wokeshit instead of losing money because they make things that only need to be bought once. That's culture, not economics, and it can change.

thank you dearly for putting my malformed thought that I shat out 5 minutes before I had to run someplace into words
I had a whole rant written up that couldn't really communicate what I meant but this does it perfectly
I'm going to edit it into the OP with credit for future clarity, thank you muchly

 

[Nicholas Gur]

For 2 years something like 80% of these people were informed they were non essential and that the world would keep spinning without them present. Huge fucking shocker the collective consciousness now leans towards apathy. The illusion has been shattered.

 

[greatUncleShitHeel]

Luxury barely exists in any sincere fashion after half a century of bohemian elites trying to tear down every single trapping of old-school upper-class society.

Because they replaced Luxury objects as symbols of status with Luxury beliefs with symbols of status. It goes part of the way to describing why things are going to shit everywhere.
@Polyarmory described the other part of it far more elequently as did @Nicholas Gur

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

There's no professional pride anymore. I've been to many historical museums and they often have these displays of a 60s carpenter's workshop etc. "This guy was shipped off to the big city by dad to learn and return to replace him as the town's carpenter". Only way he'd change jobs is if the place went under. Now? You're your titles and network, but not the kind of network where a chef knows all over chefs in the city. The "I shook hands once at a convention my company forced me to go to" network.

There's so few jobs left that live and die by measurable skills. "I weld like this and that's why I should make $18/hour more than the previous guy you hired for the same job cause I do better work". You could drop onto the face of earth with God-given skills to make any company triple in value and you'd get no work cause you've got no work history. There's this "olympics of trade skills" called... Skills? And they have everything from roofers to cooks to waiters. Over the years, more and more of these categories have been replaced with IT shit. Find out who's the best at finding security flaws and shit instead of "What aspiring chef can make a name for themselves and secure a career?". It's fucking grim.

There are few things more demoralizing than working a job with a coworker that does the bare minimum, and the boss knows they do the bare minimum yet nothing happens, and they still make the same amount of money you do. The real problem I suspect is that this is going on in industries where the products matter in the functioning of society like healthcare and vehicle manufacturing. Lets not even begin to talk about corpos cutting a billion corners to get that product out faster and having the airplane fall apart in the sky. Your own damn boss isn't even putting in the effort sometimes.

Knew a prodigal coder who worked at Ubisoft. Absolute GOAT placed next to a retarded Stacy who demanded the help and full attention of 3-4 simps every other hour. She literally cost the company money. He finally looked for a new job and was offered everything from livejasmin to other such casino websites and what not. He ended up being paid a flight ticket, 3 months of rent and a bonus simply to move countries and work at some random private company. That was 8 years ago: Look at what programming has become now; like every other company. People can't find work cause pajeets are replacing them, and if they aren't that lucky, AI. I've seen programmers who don't play games or have nerdy hobbies, solely in it for the money. The purity of nerds being nerds has cracked and been exposed as any other job has: Passion out, suits in, grifters rewarded and bosses paid bonuses.

I don't care for titles and prestige. I don't want to jump jobs for 20 years to end up "head of projects and sales". I want to do work that I feel moves the cogs of society around. Wealth this, pay that. For what? I read a thread posted by two phds. Huge mansion, 2 huge cars, 3 kids, pool, the whole lot. No debt. They wrote "we inherited $150k, what should we do with it?". Fucking phds. Successful adults didnt know what the fuck do to with money. "Buy a summer house? Bigger cars?". First reply was "How about doing something with your kids that gives them actual memories?". Nah bro the new tesla just dropped! I'm saving up and invest and doing good of what little money I have. Why? I likely won't have kids; it'll end up in some suit's pockets when I croak. I read an article stating we've never invested more but never cash it out. A coworker said she'd want her pension paid out in full to be spent before she dies 3 years into retirement.

 

[Masturbator]

so to say certain commie phrasing "they pretend to pay us so i pretend to work for em" is totally right subject regarding and at honest from my time working tech i've came to terms that it is really best to be as passive as possible and dont show out initiative because they will task you with extra shit and no extra dough for it

 

[kim foxx]

Look at what programming has become now; like every other company. People can't find work cause pajeets are replacing them, and if they aren't that lucky, AI. I've seen programmers who don't play games or have nerdy hobbies, solely in it for the money. The purity of nerds being nerds has cracked and been exposed as any other job has: Passion out, suits in, grifters rewarded and bosses paid bonuses.

this is the natural outcome of transitioning a job that was a craft (software development used to be craft, especially when processing power was limited) to a commodity. the other side of that is america floats on a bed of finance scams and rich people don't need labor to become wealthy anymore. there were very few avenues for gainful employment outside of tech and even that is getting demolished as we speak.

 

[The best and greatest]

Tryhard faggot

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I don't know how the rest of you aren't seeing this. OP is right

Because there was very little to the OP. The first several comments are all expressing confusion/trying to figure out what specifically his complaint is.