The Downgrade Principle - Or why being a FTM might be worse than being MTF

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So this is coming from another thread about news of a pooner (aka: FTM) realizing that............gay men don't like women pretending to be men.

Shocker I know.

What's funny is that most FTM pass better than MTF, just not as they expected to "pass". You see most MTF, vast majority, just can't shake the problem of the male frame, the male silhouette, its just there.

But FTM do pass, but as a very low-grade male, a very short guy with a neotenous face, wispy beard, very little muscle mass, a female silhouette and to top it off the voice of a prepubescents boy. Its like the monkey's paw of gender.

Ironically those are also the kind of men who when going MTF get the closest to actually passing as female......if you're drunk enough or legally blind I guess.

Most of the pooners I seen used to be a 7/10 girl before, but now as men they are a 2 and I'm being generous. This in a world when even 7/10 men struggle to get attention from women, meanwhile 7/10 women have trouble dealing with all the matches and DMs they get from dating apps and social media every day. They are going from everything to nothing.

I would tell to any would-be pooner: put on male drag then look at the mirror and ask yourself:

"Would I date this guy?".

And would you? if this guy had approached you in highschool and asked you to go see a movie or something would you said yes? or laughed at him?. If you both were at a bar and he was trying desperately to start a conversation with you, what would you've done? would you even consider it? or straight-up tell him to get lost?.

This situation of course does not applies to MTF trannies since most of them were incels (in denial) and would've been thrilled to be acknowledged by any women at all let alone approached by one, even if she was built like a linebacker. And that's also why a lot of trannies went that way: emotional support. They are very open about how nobody gave a damn about them until they went MTF. Its the exact opposite for pooners who the moment they go FTM become invisible.

Because men who look like that are invisible.

So back in that thread we were talking about ways to define this, poonershock, poonderstruck, etc...

I'm going with 'downgrade principle' because that's what most FTM/pooners are doing, downgrading from being an above-average female to a bottom of the barrel male. Most say they feel "safer" as male and they like not be objectified but then do a 180° and start crying because nobody cares about them anymore, nobody does anything for them and people are much meaner and even violent towards them........because they are men now, and very weak men too so they are at the bottom of the pecking order.

Its a downgrade no matter how you look at it.
 
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I would tell to any would-be pooner: put on male drag then look at the mirror and ask yourself:

"Would I date this guy?".
Sadly I doubt this would work. Most troons would be gaslit into believing that they will look better after they take hormones and get surgery. You see it on reddit threads when troons have a brief moment of sanity: they post pictures of themselves, crying about not passing. They ask what's the point of trooning out if they will always look like women/men. It's like they're just about to realize trooning out is a bad idea, but then other troons trip over themselves to assure OP that they will pass, it will just take time.

It doesn't help all those troon subreddits have a ton of "before and after" HRT posts that are 100% bullshit. These posts never disclose that the after photos are filtered to hell and back. It's easy to see why so many of these troons fool themselves into believing that they will not only pass after taking HRT, but also that they will be the rare 0.1% of troons that pass AND look good.
 
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FTMs give up the primary advantages of being female, while MTFs don’t lose the primary advantages of being a man. TIFs lose out on any social benefit of being a woman, while the female traits they have to bring over, smaller physique and more emotional sensitivity, only cripple their lives as men, for whom both of those are liabilities. TIMs gain attention, obviously not in the same way an actual woman would, but more and often better than a loser man gets, especially if they stay in ass-patter communities. The male traits they bring over are also generally helpful, as being stronger means they’re not threatened by the population they’re infiltrating, and being more socially and emotionally oblivious just better helps them to pretend they’re succeeding.
If we had a magical fantasy world where becoming trans actually worked, and everyone was able to become a perfectly passing opposite sex version of themselves, FTMs would be so screwed, they’d all be meek bottom tier manlets, while a lot of MTFs would get to be tall nerdy girls, which while not everyone’s cup of tea, is way more widely appealing than 5’2” men. Of course in reality they’re all just delusional perverts but it’s a funny thought exercise for how tragic the fate of the pooner is.
 
Pooners are FtM trannies.
Typo, my bad.
Sadly I doubt this would work. Most troons would be gaslit into believing that they will look better after they take hormones and get surgery.
Like I said with MTF/trannies its different than FTM/pooners because first, most would-trannies are desperate enough to actually date a girl that looks like their trans version (except for the penis part) but I doubt most of the girls looking to go pooner would date a guy who looks like the FTM version of them.
Social contagion (and/or fat) causing FTMs is a tragedy
Frankly at this point I see it more as comedy, like those stories of a king becoming a pauper.
 
Great point.
FTMs become the 'creepy' guys they hope to avoid.
Intersex people might have better results. 5'10" singer 闵俊千 went from a looking like a man to looking like a man.
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At best they can pull off the twink look, but then they're limited to tops that are into that.
 
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