The hidden World

  • 🐕 I am attempting to get the site runnning as fast as possible. If you are experiencing slow page load times, please report it.
Divine Power

Divine Power

Unleash the natural order
kiwifarms.net
Joined
Jan 13, 2022
What if the world you see isn't the real world?
Plato, the OG philosopher, dared us to consider this mind-bending possibility with his Theory of Forms.

He proposed a hidden realm, a "perfect blueprint" dimension, where the true essence of everything exists:
  • The ideal "chair" (the Form of Chairness)
  • The absolute "good" (the Form of the Good)
  • Pure, unadulterated "beauty" (the Form of Beauty)
How do you understand your own reality or existence? Is it possible, in your 'view,' that you might be operating within a simulated environment, much like The Matrix?

 
  • Lunacy
Reactions: Markass the Worst
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Oh my God, this shit again
Are you deliberately and maliciously being annoying to the regulars on this forum? Or are you just unaware of social norms?

The law of reason requires that I dismiss arbitrary statements. A statement is arbitrary if it has no relation to reality.
Accordingly, unless you are able to show evidence of the existence of such a realm, I must dismiss it.
Click to expand...
You have your freewill to hide all of my posts or ignore them

Not everything is empirically verifiable, metaphysical claims (like Plato's Forms, or the existence of consciousness, or moral truths) often operate outside the realm of what can be "shown" in a laboratory or physically demonstrate
 
Divine Power said:
Not everything is empirically verifiable, metaphysical claims (like Plato's Forms, or the existence of consciousness, or moral truths) often operate outside the realm of what can be "shown" in a laboratory or physically demonstrate
Click to expand...
Empirical proof is not the primary standard for verification, so just because something can't be shown in a laboratory or physically demonstrated doesn't mean it's not verifiable
Axioms exist
Axioms are things that must be presupposed in any proof, so they are subject to direct awareness, which is the primary means of validation, before you can even think about what a proof is

So, once again, is there any evidence, of any kind, that there is a second reality?
If not, the law of reason requires that I dismiss any such statement
 
  • Like
  • Agree
Reactions: Markass the Worst and mrfresh
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Empirical proof is not the primary standard for verification, so just because something can't be shown in a laboratory or physically demonstrated doesn't mean it's not verifiable
Axioms exist
Axioms are things that must be presupposed in any proof, so they are subject to direct awareness, which is the primary means of validation, before you can even think about what a proof is

So, once again, is there any evidence, of any kind, that there is a second reality?
If not, the law of reason requires that I dismiss any such statement
Click to expand...
What Kind of "Evidence" Are You Demanding? Not All Realities are Empirically Testable, You doesn't exist in my realm, but you exist in yours
 
Divine Power said:
What Kind of "Evidence" Are You Demanding? Not All Realities are Empirically Testable, You doesn't exist in my realm, but you exist in yours
Click to expand...
My existence is an objective metaphysical fact
Objective means that it is valid, regardless of your subjective feeling
To argue against an objective fact means to argue against reason itself
To argue, you must use reason
Thus, to argue against objective truths is self-contradictory

Right now, if you are telling the truth, you are in performative self-contradiction
If I don't exist in your realm, then who are you talking to?
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Feline Supremacist and mrfresh
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
My existence is an objective metaphysical fact
Objective means that it is valid, regardless of your subjective feeling
To argue against an objective fact means to argue against reason itself
To argue, you must use reason
Thus, to argue against objective truths is self-contradictory

Right now, if you are telling the truth, you are in performative self-contradiction
If I don't exist in your realm, then who are you talking to?
Click to expand...
While a radical skeptical hypothesis, the idea of a simulated reality (like The Matrix) or a vivid dream challenges the "fact-ness" of our existence in a fundamental way. If your entire reality were a simulation, your "existence" within that simulation would be a "fact" only relative to the rules of the simulation
 
Divine Power said:
While a radical skeptical hypothesis, the idea of a simulated reality (like The Matrix) or a vivid dream challenges the "fact-ness" of our existence in a fundamental way. If your entire reality were a simulation, your "existence" within that simulation would be a "fact" only relative to the rules of the simulation
Click to expand...
So?
Is there any evidence of reality being simulated?
If not, "reality is simulated" is an arbitrary assertion, with the same (lack of) cognitive content as "the five-headed mongoose under my bed is very upset about the current situation in the Germany-Canada war"
 
  • Like
Reactions: Feline Supremacist
Divine Power said:
Click to expand...
The scientist this video is referencing is Melvin Vopsaroiu, a gypsy who's farming attention scores on Altmetric by publishing on trendy topics such as dark matter, matrix theory, and blockchain after pivoting (for some unknown reason) from his previously highly cited papers on materials science. The paper in question quite clearly states that "Whether the universe is indeed a computational construct remains an open question" with the caveat that according to the author, the entropic nature of gravity may serve as evidence for the simulation theory. I do not understand this argument but I'm no physicist. He's been feuding with Hossenfelder over it who basically said that his math makes zero sense.

Edit: Also, it's fucking gay to post videos as a response without any additions from your side. Kill yourself.
 
  • Agree
  • Informative
Reactions: agent_donkey, Markass the Worst and mrfresh
YHWH's Strongest Soldier said:
The scientist this video is referencing is Melvin Vopsaroiu, a gypsy who's farming attention scores on Altmetric by publishing on trendy topics such as dark matter, matrix theory, and blockchain after pivoting (for some unknown reason) from his previously highly cited papers on materials science. The paper in question quite clearly states that "Whether the universe is indeed a computational construct remains an open question" with the caveat that according to the author, the entropic nature of gravity may serve as evidence for the simulation theory. I do not understand this argument but I'm no physicist. He's been feuding with Hossenfelder over it who basically said that his math makes zero sense.

Edit: Also, it's fucking gay to post videos as a response without any additions from your side. Kill yourself.
Click to expand...
I don't care about your opinion you filthy jew, I Shall dismiss you entirely, You are the reason why my country USA is full of trash, jews are subhuman filthy dogs

1750255004790.webp
 
  • Winner
  • Dumb
Reactions: IwillNEVERERposthere and mrfresh
Divine Power said:
Somewhere you are unable to see
Click to expand...
That's what I would call the complete lack of an imagination. It's telling that you cannot think outside of the technological paradigm that you were raised in and latch onto the simulation theory which is its dead end.
 
YHWH's Strongest Soldier said:
That's what I would call the complete lack of an imagination. It's telling that you cannot think outside of the technological paradigm that you were raised in and latch onto the simulation theory which is its dead end.
Click to expand...
Jesus, stop messing with my temple, Goddam jew
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back