The Illusion of Progress

SaltyInquisitor

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I wanted to get some stuff off of my chest and I wanted to do it on a site where people are blunt when it comes to communicating their thoughts.

Our species is socially and emotionally stagnant. Ever since we came down from the trees and formed communities, man has struggled to define its reason for existing. Nature deems that we are only meant to survive reproduce and die in a never ending cycle of suffering and pain due to how nature is structured. Society demands that we exist for the state, for our communities, for our continued "progress" towards a brighter future, and for our own pleasure if we choose to live that way.

When we created the first cities we also created an illusion, the illusion that we are above the rest of the things on this planet. This initial illusion snowballed into many different illusions until we get to where we are today, where we are so separated from reality that people are shocked at how barbaric mass shooters and terrorists are after they massacre normal people.

We have built ourselves one massive, sanitized, "safe" illusion, that has caused us to stop growing as a species.

What are some ways to counter this apparent stagnation?

I think our society needs to stop this stupid "war on hate" , we need to hate each other so we can see our own flaws as people. Bullying is a form of this to an extent, weird people are ostracized for not being a part of the group and their brains are wired to think that social groups are the easiest way to guarantee their own survival so, they reform or disappear socially speaking . Am I saying that it is acceptable to hate someone because of their body? no. I am saying that you should hate the conscience inside of the body, the actual person, and not the race they are a part of.

We also need to collectively acknowledge how pointless our existence is, and stop LARPing for causes that will inevitably do fuck all for our species and communities. Mankind thinks it lives in a world where it is the most important thing in existence, when in reality that it a load of bullshit, we are the same unimportant apes that we have always been.

We should stop using social interactions as means of getting surface level social validation. Instead of basing our social interactions around clout, money, power, and lust, we need to lean on one another and actually attempt to form meaningful emotional connections with each other. We should abandon our egocentric and materialistic social lives so we can form connections with people that make our lives worth living.

An unfiltered and uncensored world is what we need so we can understand what it means to be human again, and actually empathize with one another .

This world will never exist because this is not an ideology that explains the distribution of wealth, the best way to organize a society, or promises that you will be safe from the "other people" that do not think the way you do. A world without social stagnation promises that you hopefully die happy with people around you that made all of the pain and suffering worth it in the end, its a world where you can actually be free.

There is no way to teach people to think this way either, people have to come to this conclusion on their own.

It took our species a long time to reach this point of stagnation , and it will take us a long time to correct our course. Personally I just want to live my life, I am not someone who wants to change the world for better or for worse, these thoughts are just my observations and I want to see if others feel the same way.
 
The first part of Mitcheners "The Source" has some interesting ideas when it comes to the impact of agriculture on society and the good and bad parts of civilization. It's also incredibly boring and very Jewish. Sort of like this thread.
 
We're the exact species we were thousands of years ago, what do you expect?
On a brighter note, there's a lot of progress, we're living in better times than ever, socially and technologically, no matter what edgelords say.

We might have a higher quality of life but we haven't really "progressed" as a species. Look at the internet, it should be a collection of all of our knowledge and experiences, but instead it is a sanitized and watered down version of what it once was because people want to sell you shit. This site gets shit on all of the time by crazy people who don't understand that the world doesn't have to accept them and they can't understand why people are allowed to not like them. Tech is nice but it isn't helping people see the world for what it is and how they can exist in a world that doesn't really care about them.
 
So you think we started stagnating over the last couple decades even though our species is tens of thousands of years old with change that usually takes hundreds of years?
You know the incredible rapid change of society is a new thing as of the industrial revolution right? I hate clown world as much as the next person but it wouldn't be unheard of in history for this kind of society to last a few hundred years before there's any big changes.
We are as we are because we are as we should be. If we weren't then we wouldn't be.
 
We might have a higher quality of life but we haven't really "progressed" as a species. Look at the internet, it should be a collection of all of our knowledge and experiences, but instead it is a sanitized and watered down version of what it once was because people want to sell you shit. This site gets shit on all of the time by crazy people who don't understand that the world doesn't have to accept them and they can't understand why people are allowed to not like them. Tech is nice but it isn't helping people see the world for what it is and how they can exist in a world that doesn't really care about them.
Lol the internet is great for information and knowledge. More than ever.
 
So life is pointless and we should stop "LARPing for causes" (what the fuck does this even mean) but you are here preaching about how people and societies should run. Yeeeeeaaaaahhh this shit is gay chief.

Also what do you mean by "stagnant"? There has been more "progress" in the last 90 years than in all of human history.

OP is very very confused
 
Sometimes I miss being the teenager who brought his completely unoriginal ideas to the sighs of adults on online messageboards. When I was on that side of this dynamic I at least was oblivious to just how shortsighted the deep-sounding words were.

But I'll ask @SaltyInquisitor a couple of questions:

1. What does it mean to "grow as a species"?

2. If you truly believe that everything is meaningless, would you put your money where your mouth is and donate your entirity of financial possessions to me? Or does that money have meaning to you after all?

3. If everything is so meaningless, why should we form emotional bonds with other people and die happy surrounded by friends?
 
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SaltyInquisitor? More like EdgyNihilistWithViewsThatAreSelfcontradicting. Seriously, please reevaluate your whole world view because there are holes in it everywhere, such as that people should hate each other but also be empathetic towards each other. Do you know what hate means? Do you know what empathy means? Do you know why people strive for meaning? Do you know what progress means? Do you know what sets humans apart from animals? Do you know how a society functions if everyone who is even remotely different is oppressed? Yet there is supposed to be empathy and hate at the same time?

Come back with another attempt when you have found the answers to all of these questions and have fixed the holes and flaws in your world view.
 
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Sometimes I miss being the teenager who brought his completely unoriginal ideas to the sighs of adults on online messageboards. When I was on that side of this dynamic I at least was oblivious to just how shortsighted the deep-sounding words were.

But I'll ask @SaltyInquisitor a couple of questions:

1. What does it mean to "grow as a species"?

2. If you truly believe that everything is meaningless, would you put your money where your mouth is and donate your entirity of financial possessions to me? Or does that money have meaning to you after all?

3. If everything is so meaningless, why should we form emotional bonds with other people and die happy surrounded by friends?

A nihilistic outlook on the world might be unoriginal but I got tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again about border security, gun control, "and etc.... I've hit a point in my life where I've realized that being right in some stupid political debate is a stupid thing to desire. I accept the world for what it is. We live in a clown world, I don't want to live in it but at the same time I am too tired of arguing with the circus. Ill let the system they built fail and burn down, and I will try to enjoy my life until that happens.

1.) In all honesty, I can't remember what I was going for. Go ahead and say what you want.

2.) I never said that I wanted to die, I said that I wanted to live my life. I am apathetic, not suicidal. So I will keep my sheckles so I can take care of myself.

3.) Life is meaningless, That doesn't mean you can't enjoy your time on Earth, forming bonds with people is a way that someone can live their life and have a reason to exist. A lot of people complain about being lonely so it seems pretty reasonable to think that most people would want to have people with them when they eventually die.

How would you unfuck society?
 
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A nihilistic outlook on the world might be unoriginal but I got tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again about border security, gun control, "and etc.... I've hit a point in my life where I've realized that being right in some stupid political debate is a stupid thing to desire. I accept the world for what it is. We live in a clown world, I don't want to live in it but at the same time I am too tired of arguing with the circus. Ill let the system they built fail and burn down, and I will try to enjoy my life until that happens.

1.) In all honesty, I can't remember what I was going for. Go ahead and say what you want.

2.) I never said that I wanted to die, I said that I wanted to live my life. I am apathetic, not suicidal. So I will keep my sheckles so I can take care of myself.

3.) Life is meaningless, That doesn't mean you can't enjoy your time on Earth, forming bonds with people is a way that someone can live their life and have a reason to exist. A lot of people complain about being lonely so it seems pretty reasonable to think that most people would want to have people with them when they eventually die.

How would you unfuck society?

1) Lol, I don't want to laugh at you, can we laugh at this together?

2) It's just that nihilism seems so often an excuse to renege responsibility in a number of fields. It's rarely genuinely believing nothing matters and everything is equal, it's usually just a superficial justification.

3) You can't both claim that life is meaning and that there is meaning in something (ie not being lonely / finding enjoyment). I find hedonistic or pain-averse strategies like that to be the second lowest types of meaning to be found, but it's still not meaninglessness.

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First, I don't think it's possible for society to exist in an unfucked state. Perfection is an impossibility.

The best thing I know to do, would be to get rid of the people that intentionally fuck it. Though in all likelyhood, that will create a power vacuum, possibly filled by something worse. Let's say I'm just barely smart enough to know I'm too dumb to know how to unfuck it.
 
A nihilistic outlook on the world might be unoriginal but I got tired of hearing the same arguments over and over again about border security, gun control, "and etc.... I've hit a point in my life where I've realized that being right in some stupid political debate is a stupid thing to desire. I accept the world for what it is. We live in a clown world, I don't want to live in it but at the same time I am too tired of arguing with the circus. Ill let the system they built fail and burn down, and I will try to enjoy my life until that happens.

1.) In all honesty, I can't remember what I was going for. Go ahead and say what you want.

2.) I never said that I wanted to die, I said that I wanted to live my life. I am apathetic, not suicidal. So I will keep my sheckles so I can take care of myself.

3.) Life is meaningless, That doesn't mean you can't enjoy your time on Earth, forming bonds with people is a way that someone can live their life and have a reason to exist. A lot of people complain about being lonely so it seems pretty reasonable to think that most people would want to have people with them when they eventually die.

How would you unfuck society?
1. If you're making ebin threads in DT about how society is fucked and horrible and how it shouldn't be fucked, you clearly haven't accepted the world-as-it-is yet.
2. Nihilism is a coward's way out; the question of meaning isn't one that a man can refuse to answer. Do a deeper reading of The Genealogy of Morals, Man and Superman, Being and Nothingness, Being and Time, or The Myth of Sisyphus if you seriously want to seriously engage in the question of post-modern existence. Otherwise you're going to just look like a twat.
 
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SaltyInquistor said:
Am I saying that it is acceptable to hate someone because of their body? no. I am saying that you should hate the conscience inside of the body, the actual person, and not the race they are a part of.
We are our bodies too. Mind and body are connected, otherwise e.g. getting drunk wouldn't be possible.
 
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