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Pluciferous said:
I’m not sure why they need over a dozen people for the Omarchy on Apple Silicon project, when Asahi Linux has already been ported to Arch Linux.

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A follow up: the reason I didn’t understand why they need a dozen people is because I’ve spent years following the Asahi Linux team, but didn’t realize there’s another rival group. They seem to be making massive progress on full M3/M4/M5 driver support by leveraging AI. Asahi Linux bans AI contributions, so never the twain shall meet.
 
Tap Water Enjoyer said:
The market share cope reminds me of fanboys, they identify with some kind of product and want it to succeed more and more because their self-worth is tied to the popularity of said product. They act like corporate PR guys, but for free.

In past couple months I've been seeing a ridiculous amount of videos of people switching to Linux or about how Linux gaming is so good now. And the comments are usually filled with the same "Linux is x% market share now!! Year of the Linux!! Let's gooooooo!!!!!!!". That shit gives me second-hand embarrassment.
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It is an operating system (at least for personal computing) that is used by typically hobbyists/enthusiasts and professionals. Expecting the masses to get enthused about it is pure delusion.
 
SchizoDaemon said:
If I were to look at another piece of code and write a similar implementation or use the similar technique, under your logic, that would be laundering.
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Yes. You're correct. This is why clean room reverse engineering is a thing- one team can review disassembled binaries or source code to create specifications free from copyright entanglements, another must implement them. You can't safely just take source code, rewrite it to be a little different, and be legally sound.

This is how things have been done since at least the first IBM PC implementations. Because it is the only remotely legally safe way to do it. Using spicy autocomplete which has been fed leaked Windows 2000 source code along with everything else on Github, and then integrating that code into Wine after it shits it out the other end, would open the project up to being sued by Microsoft.
 
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Yes. You're correct. This is why clean room reverse engineering is a thing- one team can review disassembled binaries or source code to create specifications free from copyright entanglements, another must implement them. You can't safely just take source code, rewrite it to be a little different, and be legally sound.
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I think you are applying this too broadly and pretending that LLMs (which aren't doing what you are claiming) being trained on open-source data sets is the same thing as this. When it isn't.

Also, under your logic, I wouldn't be able to change jobs, e.g., I've written many custom web frameworks as a contractor; much of this was a combination of seeing what was done by large companies while I was employed. I've taken the same techniques and written similar web frameworks for other companies. There are literally only so many ways you can implement these web frameworks (you are constrained by how the browser works). That would mean like 99.9% of all software engineers that exist would be writing legally unsound code. I would imagine the same would be for the games industry, as there are only so many ways you write a 3D game engine.,
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This is how things have been done since at least the first IBM PC implementations. Because it is the only remotely legally safe way to do it. Using spicy autocomplete which has been fed leaked Windows 2000 source code along with everything else on Github, and then integrating that code into Wine after it shits it out the other end, would open the project up to being sued by Microsoft.
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I am aware of the history of what happened when they reverse engineered the BIOS implementation.
 
Pluciferous said:
A follow up: the reason I didn’t understand why they need a dozen people is because I’ve spent years following the Asahi Linux team, but didn’t realize there’s another rival group. They seem to be making massive progress on full M3/M4/M5 driver support by leveraging AI. Asahi Linux bans AI contributions, so never the twain shall meet.
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Hector Marcan btfo
 
SchizoDaemon said:
I think you are applying this too broadly and pretending that LLMs (which aren't doing what you are claiming) being trained on open-source data sets is the same thing as this. When it isn't.

Also, under your logic, I wouldn't be able to change jobs, e.g., I've written many custom web frameworks as a contractor; much of this was a combination of seeing what was done by large companies while I was employed. I've taken the same techniques and written similar web frameworks for other companies. There is literally only so many ways you can implement these web frameworks (you are constrained by how the browser works). That would mean like 99.9% of all software engineers that exist would be writing legally unsound code.
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I know that some people doing things like writing open source drivers literally won't let people that have worked for the company that made the hardware contribute. IIRC the nNvidia nouveau driver is one case of that. Specifically because it would potentially open them up to legal issues with Nvidia.
 
The current framework of copyright and IP laws only serves to benefit the big corporations and it rarely, if ever, protects the little guy. As far as the whole cognitohazard code thing goes, that's how Microsoft got ReactOS to roll back years of work over what Microsoft believed was leaked code implemented into ReactOS. Plenty of people in the FOSS community called it out to be complete bullshit that Microsoft made up to thwart ReactOS' progress, and I'll bet that the same people are now in full support of making copyright and IP laws even stricter to stop AI or something.

Which, again, will only benefit big corporations, so anyone in the FOSS space advocating for this shit is a useful idiot. See: all the MIT licensed corporate project that are the result of taking GNU GPL code, throwing it into an LLM and telling it to reshuffle all of it. It's nothing but a convoluted way to shit over the little guy and take advantage of him. Or Dario's recent Oppenheimer crybaby moment that served as nothing more but an attempt to pull the ladder up behind him so that every small LLM team out there would get fucked in the ass by legislation while Anthropic and OpenAI go on completely unscathed without any repercussions, monopolizing technology that should be democratized.

If you are for maintaining and expanding the current IP and copyright law framework and you believe that downsizing or outright abolishing it is "evil anarchy" or whatever, you're a useful idiot that helps to line the pockets of greedy kikes like Dario Amodei or Sam Altman for free. Shabbos goy mentality.
 
Chana said:
GNOME hdr still sucks
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I haven't found a totally complete set of HDR on Linux anywhere, you'd think that Ubuntu/Gnome would have the best one - but even Varxy's Hyprland has better HDR.

Dread First said:
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>Stallmann
Truly lost.

Tap Water Enjoyer said:
"It's a political movement disguised as a linux distro!!!" said an ultra political tranny injecting his own politics instead.
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>sudo pacman -S hyfetch
Need I say more?

prollyanotherlurker said:
Lmao. This guy.
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Anyone who says that Linux users are annoying and whiners/complainers are the biggest posers on the fucking planet and I hate them. I want to shoot them with a .44 magnum straight to the cranium. This goes for DankPods, LTT and especially this fucking troon-chaser.
 
A few months in of fucking around in Debian and honestly I'm pissed off I never made the switch from Windows months before. For the most part everything just fucking works and MY files are on MY fucking computer. I'm seeing no fucking difference between this PC and the old Windows install other than everything runs smoother because there aren't a bazillion Windows processes in the background trying to force themselves to start.

There were a few teething issues, mainly from me being a retard and formatting a drive in the wrong format with only SU permissions, so it wasn't throwing issues until a program wanted to change something and then it shit the bed. I will also admit I'm a filthy fucking casual who uses flatpaks for emulators and shit like plex because it means I can separate the system updates and program updates in the Discover updater. As a sidenote, yes I know how to use apt-get update/install, it's just a billion times easier to select specific updates via checkbox rather than update each specific process manually without just installing everything at once.

It's good, it works and it updates when I want it to. That's all I fucking want from a home PC and I have it.
 
Hakase Shinonome said:
Anyone who says that Linux users are annoying and whiners/complainers are the biggest posers on the fucking planet and I hate them. I want to shoot them with a .44 magnum straight to the cranium. This goes for DankPods, LTT and especially this fucking troon-chaser.
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"Oh no i'm getting valuable information from people who know more than me but because they're being vaguely mean rather than babying me i'm going to get upset."

These people have never worked a day in there life.
 
I think I know why Linux people hate LLM's so much. You can ask them to solve Linux issues and they just will do what you ask them to instead of berating you for not having decades of experience with Unix-like systems and how they work, which undoes decades of gatekeeping. :roll:
 
Slav Power said:
I think I know why Linux people hate LLM's so much. You can ask them to solve Linux issues and they just will do what you ask them to instead of berating you for not having decades of experience with Unix-like systems and how they work, which undoes decades of gatekeeping. :roll:
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I’ve been finding it very helpful for resolving server issues that have been plaguing me for quite some time. I’m going to try to see if it can teach me to code so I can do a project I wanted to work on for some time.
 
Slav Power said:
I think I know why Linux people hate LLM's so much. You can ask them to solve Linux issues and they just will do what you ask them to instead of berating you for not having decades of experience with Unix-like systems and how they work, which undoes decades of gatekeeping. :roll:
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Absolutely. The LLM gives you pretty helpful answers and even full-on solutions without having you to wait for ages instead of all that stereotypical retardation on display here.

Hakase Shinonome said:
Anyone who says that Linux users are annoying and whiners/complainers are the biggest posers on the fucking planet and I hate them. I want to shoot them with a .44 magnum straight to the cranium.
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Rust Troony said:
"Oh no i'm getting valuable information from people who know more than me but because they're being vaguely mean rather than babying me i'm going to get upset."

These people have never worked a day in there life.
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It's called coping. You are still a lower lifeform and no amount of bitching will make it better.
 
The best solution would be replicating the way Windows installers work. An executable with pre-packaged files that places program files into the correct directories, adds the right shortcuts, does whatever else is needed to get the software on the machine, then leaves a file that kept track of all these changes so that when the uninstaller executable is ran it can undo the changes.

Technically your package managers already do this, but their two main faults are a) they aren't standardized and every distro has their own package manager that basically does the same thing, which also mean that when you pull an offline installer package it can only be used with that package manager and b) they default to centralized online-only form of software distribution. This is one of the main pain points of Linux, it rejected any sane forms of offline software distribution (besides AppImages), while this has been the go-to format since MS-DOS days, as offline software distribution was the only form of software distribution before the Internet was even a thing. Windows runs off of this MS-DOS legacy, but since Linux became a thing in the era of the Internet, it didn't really develop a sane standard for offline software distribution, everyone does their own thing and it causes headaches for software developers and users, which creates a choke point for Linux software availability that even Linus Torvalds pointed out. Even he doesn't bother with compiling his software for Linux because the software distribution systems are so fractured.
 
Slav Power said:
Technically your package managers already do this, but their two main faults are a) they aren't standardized and every distro has their own package manager that basically does the same thing, which also mean that when you pull an offline installer package it can only be used with that package manager and b) they default to centralized online-only form of software distribution. This is one of the main pain points of Linux, it rejected any sane forms of offline software distribution (besides AppImages), while this has been the go-to format since MS-DOS days, as offline software distribution was the only form of software distribution before the Internet was even a thing. Windows runs off of this MS-DOS legacy, but since Linux became a thing in the era of the Internet, it didn't really develop a sane standard for offline software distribution, everyone does their own thing and it causes headaches for software developers and users, which creates a choke point for Linux software availability that even Linus Torvalds pointed out. Even he doesn't bother with compiling his software for Linux because the software distribution systems are so fractured.
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I always find this amusing how people bang on about this being a problem constantly. I haven't had issues installing software in years. I have also built RPMs, debs and arch packages, and it isn't difficult to do any of this.

There is nothing centralised about these package managers. Most distros have mirrors, and quite a few installers let you choose where you are getting your packages from; you can even create one yourself.

Almost all these installers on both Linux and Windows are nothing other than compressed archives with some scripts. Pretending that Windows is superior for whatever reason is completely asinine and tells me you really have a fucking clue what you are on about.
 
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