The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

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VLC, Qbit and steam work without issues and I'm suprised by how many games will run on Linux. The last time I heard anyone talking of Linux IRL, they were saying how only a few games worked. Has that changed?

It can be a problem depending on what you play. A lot of anti-cheat software has zero Linux support. EasyAntiCheat (which is pretty commonly used) does work on Linux but it requires the devs to enable Linux support manually. All of Valve's stuff will work. Chinagames...no.

Anything else will almost certainly work on Linux though, which is a huge improvement from the past.

 

[peachlover669]

Do note that a big caveat of VMs is that kernel rootkit spyware *ahem* "anticheat" will detect VMs and refuse to let you play the games.

Which begs the question as to why anyone would want to use windows in a vm in the first place as those games are typicaly some of the few that dont already work in linux. I guess its a case of change equals bad as always for most windows users.
and yes goyim its anticheat no matter the measure we are dedicated to keeping your games safe from hackers

 

[Creative Username]

Which begs the question as to why anyone would want to use windows in a vm in the first place as those games are typicaly some of the few that dont already work in linux. I guess its a case of change equals bad as always for most windows users.
and yes goyim its anticheat no matter the measure we are dedicated to keeping your games safe from hackers

I'm sure there are quite a handful of decrepit old games that use really retarded APIs that Wine still can't do. I know SS13 is one of them.

 

[peachlover669]

I'm sure there are quite a handful of decrepit old games that use really retarded APIs that Wine still can't do. I know SS13 is one of them.

Ah yes space station 13... The eternal fuck you to linux gaming, it doesnt suprise me in the slightest that it still doesn't work to this very day. You keep doing you ss13

 

[HahaYes]

I know SS13 is one of them.

You keep doing you ss13

Yeah SS13 and by extension BYOND are tied up with the MS Edge dependency that they shifted to once it was announced IE was going EOL. Ironically back to the Lutris discussion it's one of the 2 games I got working with it, working as in it would launch and run pretty smoothly, but because of that dependency any extra pop out windows just never populate so you can't really fucking do anything anyways

 

[Betonhaus]

Yeah SS13 and by extension BYOND are tied up with the MS Edge dependency that they shifted to once it was announced IE was going EOL. Ironically back to the Lutris discussion it's one of the 2 games I got working with it, working as in it would launch and run pretty smoothly, but because of that dependency any extra pop out windows just never populate so you can't really fucking do anything anyways

Couldn't you install Microsoft Edge for Linux and make it work that way? Maybe put it in a container or something so that it's isolated and only used for those games?

 

[Creative Username]

Couldn't you install Microsoft Edge for Linux and make it work that way? Maybe put it in a container or something so that it's isolated and only used for those games?

It doesn't work that way. Somebody would need to hook it into Wine, and the Edge for Linux probably has most of the integration removed anyway. It would be smarter to just extend winegecko to cover the new APIs somehow, and would not need proprietary software. Web engines are generally compatible enough to make it work for something like BYOND.

 

[Ahriman]

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Never understood why people think lutris is the go to for gaming on linux, you see it a lot with guides for the steam deck even though its almost always a much more complicated solution than just using proton.
I've only used lutris for the few games nested far enough into launchers that you actually need a script to set everything up easily like hearthstone (only example i actually use)
Normal wine is still my most used for games since im a bit of a wine purist and that mostly comes down to the fact that the way proton handles prefixes is a crime against humanity.

I think people recommend Lutris because it's a nice central way to organize and launch all your games from a pretty little GUI that's FOSS. As for recommending it on Steam Deck, it's probably to play pirated games.

 

[geckogoy]

As for recommending it on Steam Deck, it's probably to play pirated games.

But proton runs those just fine

 

[jeff7989]

I think people recommend Lutris because it's a nice central way to organize and launch all your games from a pretty little GUI that's FOSS. As for recommending it on Steam Deck, it's probably to play pirated games.

Not all games are on Steam. If I want to play some standalone mod, or an old game that requires custom settings, then Lutris is a convenient way to set it and forget it.

 

[jONALD]

I for one love to just click on "add non-steam game" browse my filesystem. Add the exe. Set the compatibility to proton experimental and just run terrible Unity games. It works like a charm every time and I don't need to fiddle with a wine prefix...unless the dev has to push out a hit fix that requires manually replacing a file or someone made a mod. That is when I have to dive deep into this horrible fake windows file system. Steam could use a button to shorten that like browse local files.

 

[Slav Power]

Never understood why people think lutris is the go to for gaming on linux, you see it a lot with guides for the steam deck even though its almost always a much more complicated solution than just using proton.
I've only used lutris for the few games nested far enough into launchers that you actually need a script to set everything up easily like hearthstone (only example i actually use)
Normal wine is still my most used for games since im a bit of a wine purist and that mostly comes down to the fact that the way proton handles prefixes is a crime against humanity.

I think it's because of the mentality you've presented here:

That's honestly quite disgusting of you to say and oh so gaudy of you to come in here and even suggest such freedom restricting blasphemy, Bill Gates will be fucking you in hell sinner.

To use Proton, you need to use Steam. And that is proprietary, and requires an account, and is absolutely evil and anyone even suggesting it should be burned on a stake for the crimes against Linux. To me this seems like the reason why people prefer to shill Lutris, because it's muh trve FOSS, including the part where it's worse than the proprietary solution.

On a sidenote, it's funny to see Linuxfags circlejerking over Linux gaining more user share on Valve's hardware survey, declaring this as a total Linux domination. Even though it's still like 2% of the total Steam userbase, and then when you look into the Linux statistics, "SteamOS Holo" takes up 44.22% of that ~2% of Linux userbase, and "AMD Custom GPU 0405" takes up 34.39% user share in the GPU section. That's the Steam Deck APU. This absolute Linux domination on Steam comes from Valve releasing a commercial product with a proprietary custom built distro for this specific commercial product. I don't know how delusional one must be to claim this as a great Linux victory.

Windows still remains the dominant OS with 54.40% of Steam users using Windows 10 and 41.61% using Windows 11, because it's still the OS that can be installed on just about any PC hardware configuration and just work, something that Linux still can't manage, and only copes with you having to follow manuals to fix it yourself. Windows' biggest enemy is still Microsoft pushing it's corporate bullshittery, because the underlying OS is still unbeatable.

Do note that a big caveat of VMs is that kernel rootkit spyware *ahem* "anticheat" will detect VMs and refuse to let you play the games.

Any game that uses such bullshit is not worth playing anyway. Not on Windows, not on Linux, not on Windows in a Linux KVM container.

Not all games are on Steam. If I want to play some standalone mod, or an old game that requires custom settings, then Lutris is a convenient way to set it and forget it.

Add non-Steam game. Done. Your non-Steam game now can enjoy all the goodness of the Steam client, such as Steam Input, Proton and all other good stuff. I've added the Xenia emulator that way so I can use Steam Input to add a temporary remap for Saints Row 1 to have a more sane way of drive-by shooting. It's not on Steam but it has the Steam features, weird isn't it? Almost as if it was designed for that.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

That's honestly quite disgusting of you to say and oh so gaudy of you to come in here and even suggest such freedom restricting blasphemy, Bill Gates will be fucking you in hell sinner.

Wine/Proton's execution did massively evolve over the years and it is pretty fucking amazing that Linux can run games and apps that were not designed for it... But it's not exactly perfect. For example, you could have an application that uses an undocumented function of the Windows API (maybe even a kernel one instead of just a userspace one) and therefore you don't know how to correctly implement it on the Wine side, which translates to a need to use a Windows VM for that specific application because I am not going to install Windows on the bare metal just for a single application.

As I said back some pages and @Slav Power said, if a game requires kernel level access just to monitor if you cheat or not, you should not play it, regardless of the OS you decide to play on. Period.
EDIT: Just look at what happened with the Apex Legends anti-cheat.

 

[peachlover669]

I think people recommend Lutris because it's a nice central way to organize and launch all your games from a pretty little GUI that's FOSS. As for recommending it on Steam Deck, it's probably to play pirated games.

i dont get why people seem to think steam is against piracy or something, pirated games work just fine in proton and in my experience far better than in lutris since most of the time lutris wants to configure files that are structured the official way which many pirated games dont come set as.

Wine/Proton's execution did massively evolve over the years and it is pretty fucking amazing that Linux can run games and apps that were not designed for it... But it's not exactly perfect. For example, you could have an application that uses an undocumented function of the Windows API (maybe even a kernel one instead of just a userspace one) and therefore you don't know how to correctly implement it on the Wine side, which translates to a need to use a Windows VM for that specific application because I am not going to install Windows on the bare metal just for a single application.

Valid reasoning, however i feel that if your program doesnt have a FOSS equivalent its probably just bloat and or unneeded. Im sure theres some example of a program that is useful and without a FOSS version but for the average user i doubt you would run into this problem.

 

[Slav Power]

I am not going to install Windows on the bare metal just for a single application.

I mean, privacy implications aside, it's just not practical to do so, because then you have to reboot into a separate OS just for this one program, and then again when you're done. It's stupid and that's where Linux's KVM really shines. Near bare metal performance with GPU passthrough, but it's just a window inside your main OS with all of your shit. A perfect stop-gap between things Linux can't do that Windows can.

It's the one thing I'm jealous of as a Winnigger, there aren't any good type 1 hypervisors for Windows. There's Hyper-V, sure, but it's slow as shit, doesn't have GPU passthrough or anything like that, and also it's implemented in such a retarded way that it takes away VT-X extensions from type 2 hypervisors, so if you have VMware or VirtualBox VM's that need a type 2 hypervisor because they run older OS', tough shit, Hyper-V is hogging the shit that makes them run smooth. Same thing happens with other Windows virtualization extensions, really fucking stupid.

i feel that if your program doesnt have a FOSS equivalent its probably just bloat and or unneeded

Well that is just stupid. FOSS can also be bloated and unneeded, and proprietary can also be unbloated and irreplaceable. I'd judge software by how it works and performs, not on it's alliance to my specific political beliefs about software. I want shit to work and not suck, and if there's a proprietary and a FOSS solution, and the proprietary one works better, I'll go for that.

Windows vs Linux? I'll go with Windows.
MS Office vs LibreOffice? I'll go with MS Office.
BitLocker vs VeraCrypt? I'll go with VeraCrypt.
uTorrent vs qBittorrent? I'll go with qBittorrent.

And the list goes on. Use the software that works best, if you're autistically sticking to everything that's FOSS just because it's FOSS you're actively harming your user experience. Like going with FOSS Nvidia drivers because proprietary = evil and then your shit doesn't work, but it would if you weren't a stuck up autist and installed the proprietary ones.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

the average user i doubt you would run into this problem.

Most people just want to get shit done, who would have thought of that?
To expand on this, you have to consider that the majority of people just do not care if it's Windows, Mac, Linux, <insert obscure os here>. They care if the tool lets them get the job done, let me give you some advice:

• Do not listen to YouTubers, form your own opinion.
• Try to expand your horizons when it comes to using technology but still keeping yourself grounded within realistic expectations.
• Don't think to much about the linux desktop, it does not help you in any way whatsover and it's just retarded circlejerking. Trust me on this one: when you stop caring about it and you start instead focusing on YOUR customized experience it will feel much better.

Maybe some more expert users can add to this post some valuable advice to people that might be unsure on how to approach eventual problems that might arise when using Linux for the first time.
Edited for spelling.

 

[Betonhaus]

Finally figured out why my new hard drives won't work, there's a little pin that needs to be blocked because it disables the drive if it detects power.

 

[Vesperus]

it disables the drive if it detects power.

 

[Slav Power]

there's a little pin that needs to be blocked because it disables the drive if it detects power

I'm sorry, I thought we've abandoned jumper pins with IDE. Now new are those drives exactly?