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prollyanotherlurker said:
You would need to have it set up with the method you used to handle idling. But if it's set up properly yes. It works fine. But for instance.

If you set it up with something like swayidle, and you don't realize that on awakening you need to have it unblank the screen, and you only have it set to blank it. You will get stuck with a black screen until you reboot. But that's user error in that case.
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Ah I see. And with X11 does one often run across the risk of "not properly" setting up screen blanking?
 
I was researching installer software on Linux and I found something interesting. On Windows the "InstallWizard" program is pretty well known, now known as "InstallShield". It's by far the most used wizard to install any kind of software on your computer. Any random unsafe .exe installer from some shitty website will come with InstallWizard on it. It is a proprietary software made by Revenera. I was initially looking into them because I found it kind of odd and interesting that a company is able to thrive off of making installers, that's when I found out that they also offer a version of the software for Linux (and macOS too) called "InstallAnywhere", and yes it literally looks the same:

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(screencap I took from a video 10 years ago showing it. Couldn't find any pictures on Linux)

It's always interesting to see companies with closed & paid products port to Linux that you don't expect would care to do so. I have literally never seen any program use this on Linux though, I mean there isnt much use for it considering the software distribution is very different, the only thing about Linux on the FAQ page is that it does dependency resolution which is hardly a selling point these days.
 
Akerman said:
I was researching installer software on Linux and I found something interesting. On Windows the "InstallWizard" program is pretty well known, now known as "InstallShield". It's by far the most used wizard to install any kind of software on your computer. Any random unsafe .exe installer from some shitty website will come with InstallWizard on it. It is a proprietary software made by Revenera. I was initially looking into them because I found it kind of odd and interesting that a company is able to thrive off of making installers, that's when I found out that they also offer a version of the software for Linux (and macOS too) called "InstallAnywhere", and yes it literally looks the same:

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(screencap I took from a video 10 years ago showing it. Couldn't find any pictures on Linux)

It's always interesting to see companies with closed & paid products port to Linux that you don't expect would care to do so. I have literally never seen any program use this on Linux though, I mean there isnt much use for it considering the software distribution is very different, the only thing about Linux on the FAQ page is that it does dependency resolution which is hardly a selling point these days.
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like how does it work? Is it just like an ad-hoc package manager that only manages the packages for one program? Sounds like it would be worse then app images
 
Betonhaus said:
Ah I see. And with X11 does one often run across the risk of "not properly" setting up screen blanking?
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no. you could run the risk of not properly setting up a window manager, or plenty of other things involved with running software on xorg. like not knowing you need to have sxhkd running on bspwm and that you need a config for it.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
no. you could run the risk of not properly setting up a window manager, or plenty of other things involved with running software on xorg. like not knowing you need to have sxhkd running on bspwm and that you need a config for it.
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Screen blanking and display power management is built into the X11 server, it's almost impossible to break it so that it won't automatically unblank when you move the mouse. It works fine with no WM or anything else and just a bare X11 app. If you want anything like flying toasters or screen locking then that's on you.
 
DavidS877 said:
Screen blanking and display power management is built into the X11 server, it's almost impossible to break it so that it won't automatically unblank when you move the mouse. It works fine with no WM or anything else and just a bare X11 app. If you want anything like flying toasters or screen locking then that's on you.
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that's why i said no.
 
Get Phobo said:
No, that would be monitor standby. Instead, OLED users asked for a simple screensaver that would just display black to prevent burn-in. Like the one that has existed on Windows since always.
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Ah, I see what you mean. You're asking about a blank screen screensaver, like XScreenSaver has provided since 1992, the same year screensavers were added to Windows 3.1? And xlock for years before then? And other programs even before 1990.

Yeah that's not a problem if you're using normal Linux software. Only with a Wayland-crippled system.
 
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Akerman said:
I was researching installer software on Linux and I found something interesting. On Windows the "InstallWizard" program is pretty well known, now known as "InstallShield". It's by far the most used wizard to install any kind of software on your computer. Any random unsafe .exe installer from some shitty website will come with InstallWizard on it. It is a proprietary software made by Revenera. I was initially looking into them because I found it kind of odd and interesting that a company is able to thrive off of making installers, that's when I found out that they also offer a version of the software for Linux (and macOS too) called "InstallAnywhere", and yes it literally looks the same:

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(screencap I took from a video 10 years ago showing it. Couldn't find any pictures on Linux)

It's always interesting to see companies with closed & paid products port to Linux that you don't expect would care to do so. I have literally never seen any program use this on Linux though, I mean there isnt much use for it considering the software distribution is very different, the only thing about Linux on the FAQ page is that it does dependency resolution which is hardly a selling point these days.
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I'm pretty sure it's always been InstallShield. At least it was back in the Windows 3.1 days, hen I first encountered software using it. Never heard of InstallWizard.
 
Akerman said:
It's always interesting to see companies with closed & paid products port to Linux that you don't expect would care to do so. I have literally never seen any program use this on Linux though, I mean there isnt much use for it considering the software distribution is very different, the only thing about Linux on the FAQ page is that it does dependency resolution which is hardly a selling point these days.
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The use of wizardlike- graphical or otherwise- installers was not completely unknown back in the day. Loki Software would use a graphical (though it also had a TUI fallback) installer for their various native Linux ports on CDROM. You can see the sense...you wouldn't want to ship different CD's with one with a .deb package, one with a .rpm, and another with a .tgz for other systems. Obviously there are other ways to do it if you had a seperate 'data installer' package for each system which was just a script to copy the right data and language files across and register them, but their way was nice and straightforward.

Speaking of making hard distribution problems easy, some guy from Google has made installing WordPerfect 8.0 for Unix, the most technically advanced text-mode WordPerfect, on modern (i386 compatible) Linux systems very straightforward. Pretty sick, given that at least some of this appears to use the old Linux libc/libc5, which was generally replaced by glibc/libc6 around 1998/1999 or so. So much for Linux incompatibility.
 
Personally, I hate AppImages, but what do I know, I'm a Gentoo user who builds everything from scratch anyhow. What I hate about AppImages is that some retards think it's now acceptable to just release an AppImage instead of giving an overview of a build process. No, you retarded Windowsfag, building things from scratch is why I run Linux. Having to reverse-engineer the AppImage build to get a proper AM2R build pissed me right the hell off.

Akerman said:
Any random unsafe .exe installer from some shitty website will come with InstallWizard on it.
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InstallShield is popular because it came prepackaged with Visual Studio. InstallShield was what I used to install my dumb VB3 apps back in the day. Yes, it worked on 3.1. The other big player in the space these days is NSIS, and there are a lot of these in the "Any random unsafe .exe installer" category. Sorry for the "well akschewally", but NSIS has become a real player in this space, and deserves advocacy, because it sucks a LOT LESS than InstallShield. https://nsis.sourceforge.io/Main_Page
 
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Susanna said:
It’s had this for ages. Go into screen lock settings, customise appearance, choose plain colour, choose black, turn off the setting to display the clock.
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Oh yeah, I remember this being mentioned somewhere... and later, I forgot about it because, of course, I would. Since it is so unintuitive and hidden, which was one of the main points about the whole request.

And yes, we had to explain the concept of a screensaver to them first, so they would even understand what we were talking about. Seems to be a universal issue with Linux retards.
 
Get Phobo said:
Oh yeah, I remember this being mentioned somewhere... and later, I forgot about it because, of course, I would. Since it is so unintuitive and hidden, which was one of the main points about the whole request.

And yes, we had to explain the concept of a screensaver to them first, so they would even understand what we were talking about. Seems to be a universal issue with Linux retards.
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Yeah, I do think they should alias lock screen to screensaver, so people like you don't go around thinking the lock screen/session timeout isn't configurable.
You can set any wallpaper image you like, turn on or off the clock, media controls, and notifications, and even install any of the same wallpaper plugins your actual wallpaper uses, for example the shader wallpaper plugin I use in order to have an animated background. I do use an OLED screen, and I've got it set up like this for the same reason you're looking into it. It works flawlessly, even if it isn't super-duper intuitive. But tbh I don't think this stuff is all that intuitive on Windows either.
And I'm pretty sure the default in both KDE and Windows is to have the screen just turn off automatically after fifteen minutes idle or something like that anyway, so it's not like you really need to do this anyway. I do it because I use an OLED TV as my monitor and it lacks the feature to automatically turn itself back on when it receives a video signal like a normal monitor would.
 
The thing is, it's a screen lock. If you set it to no password, so that it really works as just a screensaver, you effectively do not have an actual screen locking functionality anymore for the cases when you need it. On Windows, you can simply have either or both.
 
Get Phobo said:
The thing is, it's a screen lock. If you set it to no password, so that it really works as just a screensaver, you effectively do not have an actual screen locking functionality anymore for the cases when you need it. On Windows, you can simply have either or both.
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Set "Delay before password required" to something absurdly high, like ten minutes. That way it can trigger as just a screensaver and if you wiggle your mouse within ten minutes, it just goes away. If you genuinely left the computer for ten minutes it'll require a password. If you deliberately lock the screen with Super+L, it'll also require a password.
 
Betonhaus said:
weird.
The "Failed to start casper-md5check Verify Live ISO checksums" error typically occurs on Linux systems, particularly Linux Mint and Ubuntu-based distributions, after a system update or during boot. This service is designed to verify the integrity of a Live ISO system by checking checksums against a file located at /cdrom/md5sum.txt, but it is unnecessary on installed systems where the Live ISO is no longer in use. As such, the error is generally non-critical and does not affect system functionality, though it can be disruptive during boot.

The most common and recommended solution is to disable the service to prevent the error from appearing at boot. This can be done by running the following commands in a terminal:

Bash: 
sudo systemctl disable casper-md5check.service
sudo systemctl stop casper-md5check.service
sudo systemctl mask casper-md5check.service
These commands disable the service from starting at boot, stop any currently running instance, and mask the service to prevent manual activation. After executing these commands, a system reboot will resolve the issue, and the error should no longer appear in the boot logs.
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Get Phobo said:
Thanks, that's very helpful. I may give it another try in the future.
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Get Phobo said:
Uh-huh. So I picked Mint and became neither.
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It's bizarre to me how you went from thanking someone for a fix to your issue to complaining about the issue when you haven't even tried to fix it.
Get Phobo said:
Oh yeah, I remember this being mentioned somewhere... and later, I forgot about it because, of course, I would. Since it is so unintuitive and hidden, which was one of the main points about the whole request.

And yes, we had to explain the concept of a screensaver to them first, so they would even understand what we were talking about. Seems to be a universal issue with Linux retards.
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If instead of spending time pretending not to understand as an excuse to get upset and insist your problems are unsolvable, you spent your time furthering your genuine understanding, you'd have solved your problems by now.
 
jeff7989 said:
What is it with Bri*ish and being control freaks. No Nigel, I will not use your immutable slop distro. If I wanted iOS experience then I'd but an Apple device.
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"We love $THING, here's why it isn't there."

I really fucking hate this Soft-Marxist pattern of dialog. Just be honest and say you think half-assed sand boxing is better than package management out the gate.
 
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