The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Dr. Geronimo]

Purge all drivers with

sudo apt purge nvidia*

Reboot and then autoinstall the proprietary nvidia drivers with

sudo ubuntu-drivers install

Your suggestion seemed to have worked until it didn't. I restarted then it went back into 4:3. Proton didn't even want to work until the second restart which forced my computer to 4k for some ungodly reason. Then to top this shitshow off my computer wouldn't connect to the damn internet for some reason.

Linux Mint is always the one I recommend for people who don't want Windows but also don't want to change their workflows too much. The Cinnamon DE is quite nice IMO and I used to run it before succumbing to my autism and switching to dwm.

For old computers, I guess it depends on how old is "old". A 10-15 year old PC should run most current versions of distros just fine, though you might want to pick one with a lighter desktop environment (Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Mint with Xfce or MATE). 15-20 years old and it might not have a 64-bit capable processor, so your options are limited to distros that still have 32-bit releases, and even then you might run into issues with some instructions and extensions not being supported. You might give Puppy Linux a look, which isn't a distro per se, but heavily stripped-down customizations of distros (Ubuntu, Rasbpian, Slackware).

Please show me your Mint ways because this thing fell apart like a house of cards for me.

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I'm going to say that Mint is a bust, which is really fucking annoying since this is supposed to be the retard's distro. If I can't get this thing to 'just work' then it really bums me out. I guess I'm screwing this up somehow.

So I'm going to play with Manjaro next. Is there another idiot's distro you guys can recommend?

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Okay so after 5 minutes of Manjaro I never want to go there again, and it seems like my computer agreed with me because I couldn't restart because the kernal failed. I'm going to try and reinstall for shits and giggles. The big issue here though is that the driver issue still persists when using Nvidia's drivers. This is a big deal for me because Proton doesn't seem to like the open source drivers.

Update: Same issue even after reinstalling. Guess I'll try MX Linux.

 

[awoo]

Use debian or Ubuntu to try to play nice with Nvidia's shitty drivers. fuck you nvidia

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Your suggestion seemed to have worked until it didn't. I restarted then it went back into 4:3. Proton didn't even want to work until the second restart which forced my computer to 4k for some ungodly reason. Then to top this shitshow off my computer wouldn't connect to the damn internet for some reason.

That's odd. Try Popos. It seems to work pretty well without much fuss. It even works on an old Asus transformer 2in1 with everything working as it should.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Use debian or Ubuntu to try to play nice with Nvidia's shitty drivers. fuck you nvidia

Fuck Nvidia as well. Seems like that's my big issue here and honestly if my issue is going to follow me to Manjaro then I doubt I can run from it.

That's odd. Try Popos. It seems to work pretty well without much fuss. It even works on an old Asus transformer 2in1 with everything working as it should.

I'll play with Pop in VM but I'm really not feeling it from looks. I'm going to do another install of Mint because I was enjoying the GUI.

I feel like I can win with the driver issue eventually but I really don't like that my network stopped working. It worked on Manjaro so it's not a hardware issue.

 

[Dick Justice]

Fuck Nvidia as well. Seems like that's my big issue here and honestly if my issue is going to follow me to Manjaro then I doubt I can run from it.

I'll play with Pop in VM but I'm really not feeling it from looks. I'm going to do another install of Mint because I was enjoying the GUI.

I feel like I can win with the driver issue eventually but I really don't like that my network stopped working. It worked on Manjaro so it's not a hardware issue.

Nvidia is hell and Intel isn't just garbage now, but (((garbage)))
Buy AMD next time but for now the proprietary drivers are your least worst bet. Depending on your use case Intel integrated gfx may also be viable and whatever you run should be Ubuntu or I guess maybe arch based (only because AUR) because everything has a ppa or .deb that you can install from. On other distros you're going to spend a lot of time with make because devs in their infinite wisdom love to make the only other option building from src. Unless you really like XFCE already MX is a ＭＩＮＩＭＡＬＩＳＭ maymay and iirc you're only going to have the ancient―and may allah forgive me for uttering these words―debian stable repos.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Coming from someone who has been a Linux user since 2009, and not dual booting for 2 years now, probably 75% of the remaining issues I have with Linux have to do with Nvidia drivers. There used to be a major gap between radeon and Nvidia performance, but now there isn't much of one and I really regret not going radeon when I bought this card about a year and a half ago. I've been getting the 'no sound after resume' bug with Nvidia's sound that I've gotten on and off over the years again, occasionally I will boot up the system and the drivers don't load properly and am running in low res safe mode - among other problems.

I know Valve is starting to lean on anti-cheat devs, but if they really want to give Linux gaming an even bigger boost they need to get Nvidia to not suck. I will probably still switch to radeon regardless.

 

[Aidan]

Okay so after 5 minutes of Manjaro I never want to go there again, and it seems like my computer agreed with me because I couldn't restart because the kernal failed. I'm going to try and reinstall for shits and giggles. The big issue here though is that the driver issue still persists when using Nvidia's drivers. This is a big deal for me because Proton doesn't seem to like the open source drivers.

Update: Same issue even after reinstalling. Guess I'll try MX Linux.

I am really curious what's going on on your end where Manjaro was awful but not gonna press you into using something you don't like.
You added a horrifying rating to the post saying you could try downgrading your kernel, why? That's super easy to do and not really a big deal. I'm not sure if it would or wouldn't work, but it's such a trivial thing you may as well try it, it's a few clicks and a reboot away. If it doesn't work then just reset back to the default kernel you had to begin with.

I know Mint and Manjaro both have GUI kernel managers. It may be very similar for both, on Manjaro you go to the Manjaro Settings Manager and click the Kernel button. Select a new kernel, download if needed, and then reboot. That's it.

I don't use Nvidia so can't really help with the driver issue, normally new drivers have potential for growing pains, based on reputation, but people find ones that work best at the time and go with that. AMD is the way to go on Linux for future reference.


You mention your network stopped working which is weird. Sometimes, due to proprietary drivers, certain wifi chipsets have issues on install but after that they should be good and Mint is pretty good about that not being an issue as far as I know. If it's post-install it's likely not the OS, but it could be a few things so it's hard to say.
Good luck, I don't like to see people feel like Linux is getting in their way.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

I am really curious what's going on on your end where Manjaro was awful but not gonna press you into using something you don't like.
You added a horrifying rating to the post saying you could try downgrading your kernel, why? That's super easy to do and not really a big deal. I'm not sure if it would or wouldn't work, but it's such a trivial thing you may as well try it, it's a few clicks and a reboot away. If it doesn't work then just reset back to the default kernel you had to begin with.

I know Mint and Manjaro both have GUI kernel managers. It may be very similar for both, on Manjaro you go to the Manjaro Settings Manager and click the Kernel button. Select a new kernel, download if needed, and then reboot. That's it.
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I don't use Nvidia so can't really help with the driver issue, normally new drivers have potential for growing pains, based on reputation, but people find ones that work best at the time and go with that. AMD is the way to go on Linux for future reference.


You mention your network stopped working which is weird. Sometimes, due to proprietary drivers, certain wifi chipsets have issues on install but after that they should be good and Mint is pretty good about that not being an issue as far as I know. If it's post-install it's likely not the OS, but it could be a few things so it's hard to say.
Good luck, I don't like to see people feel like Linux is getting in their way.

I've already went ahead and reinstalled Mint before going to work, so we'll see what happens then.

Messing with kernel seems like more than I bargained for but I'll mess with it.

Also strangely it was the ethernet connection that shat itself. I don't understand how that happened. It was fine in the move to Manjaro.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I've already went ahead and reinstalled Mint before going to work, so we'll see what happens then.

Messing with kernel seems like more than I bargained for but I'll mess with it.

Also strangely it was the ethernet connection that shat itself. I don't understand how that happened. It was fine in the move to Manjaro.

Did you turn off secure boot in bios/uefi? If it's on, it usually doesn't play well with the Nvidia proprietary drivers.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

Anyone happen to be an X11 wizard and-or know how to deal with treating multiple monitors as a single display? The setup in question involves Mint pushing a dell professional monitor from the very first wave of 4K when DP1.2 was a new unsupported thing, so it manifests as two 1920x2160 monitors side by side when detected. Windows 10 just rolls with this and globs the thing together as a single 4K display.

It's not a huge issue but it's irritating as shit when something tries to go fullscreen and winds up cramming itself into a box on one half of the monitor while blanking the rest.

I'm not sure how to properly google an answer since any permutation brings up a bunch of stackoverflow threads regarding programatically creating windows that span multiple displays and/or spawning windows.

 

[Dick Justice]

Anyone happen to be an X11 wizard and-or know how to deal with treating multiple monitors as a single display? The setup in question involves Mint pushing a dell professional monitor from the very first wave of 4K when DP1.2 was a new unsupported thing, so it manifests as two 1920x2160 monitors side by side when detected. Windows 10 just rolls with this and globs the thing together as a single 4K display.

It's not a huge issue but it's irritating as shit when something tries to go fullscreen and winds up cramming itself into a box on one half of the monitor while blanking the rest.

I'm not sure how to properly google an answer since any permutation brings up a bunch of stackoverflow threads regarding programatically creating windows that span multiple displays and/or spawning windows.

I never tried it but I think you can define custom resolutions in xrandr by using display timings and some other deep magic. Or just switch to display mirroring and buy a pair of 3d glasses ww.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Question: If I happen to install an older LTS distro, like Xubuntu 18.04 32-bit, does it get constant security updates way after it's lifetime ended or is it the same deal as with Windows?

Ubuntu LTS versions get security updates for a few years after release, then it goes into Extended Security Maintenance which you have to pay for. 18.04 LTS will be getting free security updates until 2023. You can find the schedule here: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle

For anyone doing audio or visual stuff, consider having a look at AV Linux which is now being built on MX which is the overall no.1 distro (according to Distrowatch).

Being #1 on Distrowatch just means that a lot of Distrowatch users are visiting its page, and Distrowatch tends to get used by distro hoppers, so that doesn't really mean much other than it's popular with distro hoppers who visit Distrowatch. There's zero chance it has a user base comparable to Ubuntu, Debian, or Fedora.

Please show me your Mint ways because this thing fell apart like a house of cards for me.

I don't use Mint, it's just what I've installed on other computers for people who want Linux but want a low learning curve. FWIW I have an Nvidia card and I have not had much trouble at all with the drivers, but I'm also not hooking up multiple monitors or TVs to this.

 

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Anyone happen to be an X11 wizard and-or know how to deal with treating multiple monitors as a single display? The setup in question involves Mint pushing a dell professional monitor from the very first wave of 4K when DP1.2 was a new unsupported thing, so it manifests as two 1920x2160 monitors side by side when detected. Windows 10 just rolls with this and globs the thing together as a single 4K display.

It's not a huge issue but it's irritating as shit when something tries to go fullscreen and winds up cramming itself into a box on one half of the monitor while blanking the rest.

I'm not sure how to properly google an answer since any permutation brings up a bunch of stackoverflow threads regarding programatically creating windows that span multiple displays and/or spawning windows.

It might depend on what display adaptor and driver you're using. There's some stuff around about using those early dell units with Nvidia TwinView, which I suspect probably only works with their propetiary drivers.

 

[Wood]

Anyone happen to be an X11 wizard and-or know how to deal with treating multiple monitors as a single display?

xrandr should be able to do this. Maybe try looking for something like xrandr merge monitors?

Consider a system having two HDMI devices labeled HDMI-A-0 and HDMI-A-1. These can be combined into one virtual display with the command:

xrandr --setmonitor NameOfDisplay auto HDMI-A-0,HDMI-A-1

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Anyone happen to be an X11 wizard and-or know how to deal with treating multiple monitors as a single display? The setup in question involves Mint pushing a dell professional monitor from the very first wave of 4K when DP1.2 was a new unsupported thing, so it manifests as two 1920x2160 monitors side by side when detected. Windows 10 just rolls with this and globs the thing together as a single 4K display.

It's not a huge issue but it's irritating as shit when something tries to go fullscreen and winds up cramming itself into a box on one half of the monitor while blanking the rest.

I'm not sure how to properly google an answer since any permutation brings up a bunch of stackoverflow threads regarding programatically creating windows that span multiple displays and/or spawning windows.

I use KDE Plasma as my DE and the options to position primary, secondary etc monitors are in the settings menu of the systems setting gui. I'd be shocked if Mint doesn't have the same thing in Cinnamon.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I use KDE Plasma as my DE and the options to position primary, secondary etc monitors are in the settings menu of the systems setting gui. I'd be shocked if Mint doesn't have the same thing in Cinnamon.

It wouldn't surprise me if it didn't; Cinnamon has some bad issues with dual monitors that I've mentioned on KF before, launching games and other full screen applications on the wrong monitor even when you've got the main monitor set to another one. There are some somewhat hacky way around it, but I've heard it is worse for people who have more than 2 monitors.

It used to be even worse - there would also be a massive performance hit when you were running dual monitors. At some point in the last 2-3 years it was fixed, for a long time I was using KDE mint (RIP) even though I liked the look of cinnamon better because of it.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

I use KDE Plasma as my DE and the options to position primary, secondary etc monitors are in the settings menu of the systems setting gui. I'd be shocked if Mint doesn't have the same thing in Cinnamon.

Positioning them isn't the problem. The problem is that the monitor is two halves and is treated as two separate desktops which screws up everything that tries to go full-screen and/or anchor relative to monitor corners.

Tried xrandr's --setmonitor options and while it created the virtual device it didn't change anything. I'm expecting it might be Cinnamon retardation with it not properly obeying X settings, I'll try an XFCE session when I get back to it.

 

[419]

So apparently /g/ has been having quite a few "Gentoo Exodus General" threads (/geg/) due to some recent power struggles in the Gentoo project involving potentially forcing systemd into the distro no matter what. Current one has the following as the OP:

We discuss the migration from Gentoo after the tranny systemd-pushers' takeover, and the underlying causes.
Previous thread: >>82680388 →.
Gentoo has been taken over by a cabal.
They settled in around 2010-2014, because in 2013, only 70 or so new developers were recruited, not counting the hundreds of inactives that there were, compared to the +700 actives that were recruited throughout gentoo's first 10 years of history.
We will save Gentoo.

>News: Tranny maintainers forced systemd-tmpfiles without emitting a public news item.

It is suspected that Gentoo will soon add rust to stage3, therefore bloating up with a shit language that takes 13 GB in compiler byproducts and hours to compile.

Available source based distros for migration:
>Sourcemage: First time installing requires time to set flags, not automatic.
>CRUX: no USE flags but manual selection, not hard if you know what you are doing.
>KISS: can be easily maintained by one person. Follows suckless principles.
Runner ups (binary based, but systemd free regardless):
>Slackware: Ancient, respectable distro. Comes with everything and the kitchen sink. No real package manager.
>Devuan: systemd-less Debian.
>Void: tranny and blm cucked. Barely an option.
There are others available.

Funtoo is not an option. Drobbins decided to turn it into a point release server distro.

On July 20, Gentoo announced the availability of new stage3 (basic rootfs for installing) images, for several architectures.
However, they all had systemd options available.
This is a further step on Gentoo's takeover.

Additional stage downloads for amd64, ppc, x86, arm available – Gentoo Linux

News and information from Gentoo Linux

www.gentoo.org

The Gentoo offtopic forum was closed down after a google employee complained.
He is on Gentoo's Directing Council.

[gentoo-project] mattst88's Council 2021 manifesto - gentoo-project - Gentoo Mailing List Archives

The Gentoo Mailing List Archives

archives.gentoo.org

>I am pleased that I was able to bring the issue of rampant Social Contract violations in the Off The Wall subforum to the Council's attention, leading to its necessary closure.

Could this be the end of the "install gentoo" meme as we know it? /g/entoomen... i don't feel so good...

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

So just as an update tried Mint again and everything works because I can go fuck myself. I have no idea what changed.

Thanks again for those that helped.